Human beings have been living on earth 200,000 years which is a fraction of the age of earth.
Modern religions like Islam and Christianity have been around 2000 years which is a very
small time since humans have lived. Even Hinduism is around 5000 years old.
What happened to the humans who did not believe in Christ or Allah before 2000 years. Did
they all go to hell?
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Allah knows better than us whether a people never received guidance, whether they received but spurned it due to arrogance or ego, or whether they disbelieved after believing. For those that never received guidance, they will not be held accountable. A Muslims is one who submits to Allah. So the way I see it, the Christians and Jews of the days of yore that did not associate anything with Allah...who believed Jesus was only a prophet....were the Muslims of that time. Hazrat Adam (as)....preceded Moses and therefore preceded Judaism...but he submitted to Allah so he was a Muslim. I have heard that those who did not receive guidance will receive it in the hereafter where it will be seen if they accept it or deny it. When I heard that, I thought gosh that's way too easy ...that of course people will believe when the truth is before them. But then I think that it is said that on the Day of Judgment, as frightening as it will be, people will lie to Allah and make bargains with Him to save themselves from hell...so I guess even on that Day...people could resort to their vices. In a way those that didn't receive guidance...like even indigenous people in the world today...are luckier. Those of us who have received guidance should be more scared cuz we'll be more accountable.
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there have been 124000 prophets mentioned PLUS a lot more who have NOT been mentioned. there was a prophet for all the times since the first man, Adam [a.s.]...Allah will judge them according to the teachings brought down by Allah through those prophets.
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its understandable that someone who never heard of Allah/Christ/Abraham will not go to hell, as they never heard of Allah's message.
But what about those who have heard of this message, but still do not believe in it as they don't consider it to be the truth? will they go to Hell for eternity for not believing in something, but still make great humans and do good deeds such as being kind, generous, never hurt any humans or even animals? just looking for a straight forward answer, not for argument purpose or anything. not looking to challenge anything either, just looking for some answers.
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it's our duty as a Muslim to take the message of Allah [Islam] to all men and women in all four corners of the world. it's a duty called Farz-e-Kifaaya meaning it's incumbent upon SOME of the people who are able and knowledgeable enough among Muslims to propagate Islam. If some of us do it then ALL of us are considered to have fulfilled this obligation but if no one does it then the ENTIRE ummah will be held responsible.
anyone who did NOT ACCEPT Islam, will go to hell as per Islamic teachings. [as far as those who did NOT hear about Islam then Allah is the BEST of Judges...He will decide their fate]...iA
in this age, i don't think anyone can say that they did NOT hear about Islam.
Wallaho 'aalam...Allah is ALL Knowing and ALL Wise!
That sounds pretty unfair. First of all you and me got unfair advantage of being born in a Muslim family. That Kumar Sharma or John Smith. We can have all the fun in this world and will end up in jannah eventually, while Sharma and Smith could live miserable life, could have their family members killed or raped (maybe by a Muslim who will end up in jannah after paying for his sins), could die out of some painful disease, but will end up in hell?
I doubt if Allah, as he loves us 70 times more than our mothers, can be so unfair.
Osama will go to heaven and mother Theresa is going to go to hell! No way man.
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That sounds pretty unfair. First of all you and me got unfair advantage of being born in a Muslim family. That Kumar Sharma or John Smith. We can have all the fun in this world and will end up in jannah eventually, while Sharma and Smith could live miserable life, could have their family members killed or raped (maybe by a Muslim who will end up in jannah after paying for his sins), could die out of some painful disease, but will end up in hell?
I doubt if Allah, as he loves us 70 times more than our mothers, can be so unfair.
Osama will go to heaven and mother Theresa is going to go to hell! No way man.
well, that's what it is. it's just like no matter how good a person you are but you do NOT accept the constitution of a country and do things against the country, what would your judgement be against that person?
we are humans with limited knowledge. Allah knows best. if we call ourselves Muslims then we must believe in Islam in it's entirety. we can NOT pick n choose according to our whims, likings, preferences, knowledge. either you and i accept what's in the Qur'aan or we may refute it. choice is ours. we'll be the losers if we are wrong.
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another perspective, i like how this guy puts it:
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That sounds pretty unfair. First of all you and me got unfair advantage of being born in a Muslim family. That Kumar Sharma or John Smith. We can have all the fun in this world and will end up in jannah eventually, while Sharma and Smith could live miserable life, could have their family members killed or raped (maybe by a Muslim who will end up in jannah after paying for his sins), could die out of some painful disease, but will end up in hell?
I doubt if Allah, as he loves us 70 times more than our mothers, can be so unfair.
Osama will go to heaven and mother Theresa is going to go to hell! No way man.
I was expecting a better approach from you TLK. Disappointed.
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That sounds pretty unfair. First of all you and me got unfair advantage of being born in a Muslim family
Hazrat Nuh's(a.s) son Kan'an, despite being son of a prophet chose to stay behind with disbelievers. Hazrat Ibrahim (a.s)'s father was an infidel. Talk about unfair advantage? You will come across hundreds of people in your life who chose to follow atheism or other faiths but they were born in muslim families.
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That Kumar Sharma or John Smith.** We can have all the fun in this world and will end up in jannah eventually,** while Sharma and Smith could live miserable life, could have their family members killed or raped (maybe by a Muslim who will end up in jannah after paying for his sins), could die out of some painful disease, but will end up in hell?
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Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried: "When (will come) the help of Allah?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!
Qur'an, sura 2 Al-Baqarah 214
Jannat kisi ko bhi moonh utha kay nahi mil jaey gi. And making it to jannah will also be only through Allah's rehmat.
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if you really look at it objectively, the idea of heaven and hell doesnt make a lot of sense without throwing in ample room for god's own judgement that goes beyond the petty point system the average religious person clings on to.
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I was expecting a better approach from you TLK. Disappointed.
Actually I am disappointed to lean that you are not ready to look at Allah as a merciful for the whole insaaniyat. You only look at him as Jaabir and Qahhaar who is ready to throw people in hell fire if you slightly stray away from one straight line
Jannat kisi ko bhi moonh utha kay nahi mil jaey gi..
So the entity who claims to love you 70 time more than your mother, is morel likely to throw you in blazing fire than to allow you to enter beautiful Gardens?
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we can NOT pick n choose according to our whims, likings, preferences, knowledge. either you and i accept what's in the Qur'aan or we may refute it. choice is ours. we'll be the losers if we are wrong.
And this is exactly the reason why i stopped being a hypocrite and left religion all together. I spend many years trying to pick things here and there to see what will suit my logic. but i believe its either all in or all out, cant have it both ways.
Allah in Quran mentions in more than one place that only sin he will not forgive is Shirk. It's amazing that even then how fixated we are on announcing to the whole world that every non Muslim is going to hell.
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What is shirk. Not asking for sake of debate.
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What is shirk. Not asking for sake of debate.
associating some other God with Allah. believing in more than one God...Polytheism. Islam, Christianity and Judaism are monotheistic faiths.
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Christianity was a monotheistic faith or is supposed to be one. But with making Jesus the son of God...that negates monotheism. So if they want to insist that it's monotheistic, then fix the trinity issue. Or....admit that it's not monotheistic.
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also the hebrew bible/tanakh calls their god by another name yahweh, and not el eloh/allah (who is yahweh's father, he has six siblings). the deity yahweh is also depicted on old coins and such, with a woman consort asherah etc.. so hey.. thats another bunch going to hell.
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I was expecting a better approach from you TLK. Disappointed.
seriously??
i thought you were a rational one...
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we're all going to hell according to every religion out there.
soo...