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^ putray, I meant anti-govt jokes, you are a pro-Mushy guy
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munney, first you said i didnt like your joke (which was anti-mollah) implying mollahs beliefs = my beliefs, and now youre saying im pro mush? ok if it makes you happy, ure extremely funny and I fail to realize why all these nitwit Gshuppers dont laugh at your jokes or sarriz.
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Sa1eem, I agree with all that, but the 4 witness requirement was NOT the problem with the Hudood as made out in the media. If 4 witnesses could not be produced by the woman, she would be able to have the case tried under Tazir, which does not need 4 witnesses. So my point is, it was possible to prove a rape in Pakistan using DNA evidence using the old rape laws. There were problems with the Hudood, and it wasnt Islamic in my opinion, but the 4 witness law was only for HADD cases, whilst most prosecutions that took place were under TAZIR courts.
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Spock & Captain, come on yaar cool it, its not that serious a matter :)
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Bruises, tears, any signs of a struggle, usually indicate if it was rape.
The four male witnesses rule (whether it really was used or not) makes no sense whatsoever.
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Now the Pak govt is introducing another bill to protect inheritance and ban forced marriage…
Bill to protect Pakistani women
Pakistani women demanding greater rights
The Pakistani government has submitted another bill in parliament to protect women’s rights, officials say.
The bill seeks to make forced marriage a crime and safeguard women’s right to property and inheritance.
It is likely to be tabled in the national assembly during its next session, due in December.
On Wednesday, the assembly overcame bitter opposition from a alliance of Islamic parties to pass amendments to the country’s controversial rape laws.
President Pervez Musharraf’s chief political ally, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, was quoted by Pakistan’s official APP news agency as saying the new bill was one of a series of steps the government had planned to empower women.
The bill stipulates action against those who deprive women of their property rights, the minister for parliamentary affairs, Sher Afgan, said.
It seeks to outlaw some local customs that prevent women from marrying and hence bearing children who may claim her share in ancestral property.
It also criminalises forced marriages, including those in which young girls are given away in marriage to settle murder feuds, he said.
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Good move. It is encouraging to see the govt keep up the momentum to undo laws that in anyway promote inequality towards Pakistan women.
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More plaudits from the media for the Musharraf-Aziz government and the opposition parties who supported the WPB.
A seismic shift
Severe tremors reverberated through Islamabad on Wednesday, as the National Assembly finally shook itself out of its torpor and passed the Women’s Protection Bill. As Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz and other supporters of the bill celebrated the momentous event, an earthquake registering high on the political Richter scale had transformed the country’s landscape, shattering the facade of opposition unity and leaving any hopes of a joint challenge to the current dispensation in ruins. In the debris laid bare by this seismic event, one could clearly see the contours of a new ideological realignment of Pakistani politics. Taking his cue from what had transpired in the assembly, President Pervez Musharraf, clearly the moving force behind the entire episode, addressed the nation and called on the country’s liberal forces to recognise the new ground realities and join hands to defeat the extremists. In an unprecedented move, the president felt the need to thank Benazir Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party and other opposition parties for supporting the government in passing the bill. The tectonic plates underlying Pakistan’s turbulent politics could all but be seen to move.
The opposition split precisely along ideological lines over the bill. The Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarians voted with the government, deciding to risk its anti-regime credentials and choosing principles over political expediency. The Pakistan Muslim League-N, never warm to the bill in any case and the most resolutely anti-government force of all, chose to abstain from voting. The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal walked out angrily from the assembly but, significantly, failed to resign en masse as it had threatened to do. To give credit where it is due, the government played its political cards in a masterful manner. The earlier debacle over the bill, and no doubt some stern words from the president, had the effect of focusing the minds of those pushing the bill through parliament. The government was able to persuade potential supporters of the bill (most notably the PPP and the Muttahida Qaumi Movement) that it was in fact not so different from the scuttled bill approved by the parliamentary select committee some months back. It also managed to include parts of the bill approved by the Ulema Committee, but not enough to frighten away its allies or too little to alienate the MMA altogether. In the end, it was this hybrid bill that was tabled in the assembly, the contents of which created just the right amount of confusion to carry the day.
There will no doubt be endless debates about the merits and demerits of the bill in the days ahead. It will clearly disappoint those seeking a complete repeal of General Zia’s infamous Hudood laws of 1979. From the other end of the political spectrum, the bill will be criticised for opening the floodgates to " free sex" as Maulana Fazlur Rehman put it so colourfully. The truth, as President Musharraf put it in his address, lies somewhere in the middle. The bill is a modest first step towards a more rational policy on sexual assault and rape and will bring relief to women who refrained from reporting such crimes in the past because they were afraid of being arrested on Zina charges. For starters, it takes away the power of the police to arrest a woman accused of rape and gives this to a sessions court, and the latter too will only be able to summon a woman to attend a court hearing or in the case of conviction. Consensual intercourse between unmarried people has been made an offence punishable by up to five years imprisonment and a ten-thousand rupee fine but the bill imposes similar punishment on those who file a complaint that such an act has taken place and then fail to prove their charge. Also, thankfully, rape cases under other laws will be barred from being converted into fornication complaints at any stage – something that used to happen all the time under the Hudood laws. On this score at least, its passage should be welcomed by all right-thinking persons. Whether the bill reshapes the entire political landscape once and for all will now depend on how the government reacts to the changed ground realities and on the quantum of bitterness that remains within the ranks of the opposition once the dust has settled. Whatever the ultimate outcome, one point is clear: the run-up to the 2007 elections is likely to be dominated by a debate over whether the future is about fighting for pure unadulterated democracy or against the forces of extremism.
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A small step but in the right direction.
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Differences in MMA over talks on WPB
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While
‘Government puts women’s bill on Senate agenda’
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\22\story_22-11-2006_pg7_12
‘Hafiz may be suspended from JUI-F’
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\22\story_22-11-2006_pg7_11
And, Shujaat affirms;
‘MMA in ‘no mood’ to resign’
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\22\story_22-11-2006_pg7_10
Meanwhile,
‘Qazi denied visa to Egypt’
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\22\story_22-11-2006_pg1_3
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a very good and unbiased and knowledgeable read from a person who knows what he is writing.
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Ok this is almost settled now what about the non muslim's section of the hudood ordinance?
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How can we say he is unbiased?
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Have u read the analysis.? do you have any objections.? anyway he doesn;t show his support to any political party in open lectures and statements… moreover wot i like is his way of analysis… and gives a very thorough and all sided response to the problem…
question is whether we are ready to surrender to Allah’s command and will whether it looks outdated or wotever..
Anyway second part link is
i will appreciate if you will read the fourth point…
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what you mean by settled now...? sorry i didn;t read all thread..
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Adultery will never come to an end! It has been throughout the histroy! And perhaps will remian over there as long as there are humans on earth no matter whatever law you bring in! Adultery is even in Hijaz on this day to make a mock of the hardest of the laws on earth!
Amended Bill Protects Rapist
It appears that Rapists will go scot free bcoz of the amendments in the Hudood Ordinance. According the original bill, if a Rpist cud not be convicted to Had bcoz of absence of 4 eyewitnesses he cud still be punished under “Tazir” with imprisonment ranging from 10-25 years and if it was gang rape to death.
Also under the original Hudood Bill, rapists cud not defend themselves by saying that the act was consensual, as Zina still carried the same sentence. Now under the new law, consensual sex comes under “Fahaashi”.
And if a rapists defends himslef by saying that it was consensual act and creates enough doubt in court he will go scot free, bcoz the new bill says that if someone is freed from a Hudood case, he cannot be punished under Fahashi act.
For detailed analysis read this:
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Very simple to understand why Mullahs are against DNA. So many of them would be caught themselves.