How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

[Aalsi]

@Ali_R

Another rumour…nice going…please ask your brother for posting more rumours. We are lacking of them these days.

Ali_R bhaijan. What it is that you have seen since March 2007 that leads you to believe anyone else other than President Musharaf holds all the cards, and the judges that had been removed after the emergency would be reinstated?

Despite all that has happened since last March, and President Musharaf allegedly being at his wekest point, he is still there.

Time to accept the ground realities and smell the roses. If President Musharaf was on his way out no political party will be making deals with him.

Don’t get hood-winked by PPP or PML (N) promising to restore the judges. That will never happen.

[Ali_R]

Re: Why is Zardari silent on Aitizaz Ahsan issue.

Ali_R bhaijan. What it is that you have seen since March 2007 that leads you to believe anyone else other than President Musharaf holds all the cards, and the judges that had been removed after the emergency would be reinstated?

Despite all that has happened since last March, and President Musharaf allegedly being at his wekest point, he is still there.

Time to accept the ground realities and smell the roses. If President Musharaf was on his way out no political party will be making deals with him.

Don't get hood-winked by PPP or PML (N) promising to restore the judges. That will never happen.

I have not argued on the time of Musharraf to be over. But I believe democracts will make a difference and we might see him disappear sooner or later.

Aalsi, we will see who will restore what. But in first place dont accept from me to justify what Musharraf has done in 2007 til now. He has violeted against laws and I will stand up against him for my whole life now. Regardless of what trust I had laid upon him in 99.
I have seen enough. It's time to re-act.

[Aalsi]

Re: Why is Zardari silent on Aitizaz Ahsan issue.

I have not argued on the time of Musharraf to be over. But I believe democracts will make a difference and we might see him disappear sooner or later.

Aalsi, we will see who will restore what. But in first place dont accept from me to justify what Musharraf has done in 2007 til now. He has violeted against laws and I will stand up against him for my whole life now. Regardless of what trust I had laid upon him in 99. I have seen enough. It's time to re-act.

Ali_R bhaijan. That is the beauty of Gupshup. People with different views and understandings talking with each other, and sometimes pulling each other legs in humorous banter. No one should stifle the belief individuals have.

I believe I am a realist and understand the ground realities. Pakistan is not Utopia, and with 160 million people many of whom cannot talk beyond provincial boundaries, it is going to struggle in forming the governanace model followed by the West or wanted by you are me.

Pakistan, for all its greatness, at this stage, is not ready of immediate change. It may happen over the next 20 years as long as family politics is rooted out. Unfortunately, the only way that will happen is not by the goodwill gestures of Zardaris, Sharif's, or Generals, but by the members of the political parties themselves.

It is the political parties that need to change to bring about change in Pakistan. Mark my words, it will not be the people of Pakistan that will change the way it is governed, they will only vote for what is put in front of them. This is obvious, look at who is standing in the elections next week.

[Ali_R]

Re: Why is Zardari silent on Aitizaz Ahsan issue.

Ali_R bhaijan. That is the beauty of Gupshup. People with different views and understandings talking with each other, and sometimes pulling each other legs in humorous banter. No one should stifle the belief individuals have.

Ok God of GS.

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I believe I am a realist and understand the ground realities. Pakistan is not Utopia, and with 160 million people many of whom cannot talk beyond provincial boundaries, it is going to struggle in forming the governanace model followed by the West or wanted by you are me.
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You didnt see a much of a struggle when the same West made 8 years whatever they wanted with Pak. Now you cry over It?

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Pakistan, for all its greatness, at this stage, is not ready of immediate change. It may happen over the next 20 years as long as family politics is rooted out. Unfortunately, the only way that will happen is not by the goodwill gestures of Zardaris, Sharif's, or Generals, but by the members of the political parties themselves.
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True, but unfortunately these 20 years mean the support of Army rule on Pakistan. Which you might tolerate and enjoy, but I will not for the sake of my country.

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It is the political parties that need to change to bring about change in Pakistan. Mark my words, it will not be the people of Pakistan that will change the way it is governed, they will only vote for what is put in front of them. This is obvious, look at who is standing in the elections next week.
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HOw can you talk of changes when you feel to have a General as President and propagate his "good work" with financial success stories of this country regardless of what has happened beyond this subject?

[Aalsi]

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Ok God of GS.

You didnt see a much of a struggle when the same West made 8 years whatever they wanted with Pak. Now you cry over It?

True, but unfortunately these 20 years mean the support of Army rule on Pakistan. Which you might tolerate and enjoy, but I will not for the sake of my country.

HOw can you talk of changes when you feel to have a General as President and propagate his "good work" with financial success stories of this country regardless of what has happened beyond this subject?

Yaar, you have once again missed the point. There will be no change in system of governanace in Pakistan, until the changes I mention above take place. Otherwise, history will continue to repeat itself. :)

[Ali_R]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

^And I promise you that we will see changes and turn this country into a democractic stable state.

[Aalsi]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

^And I promise you that we will see changes and turn this country into a democractic stable state.

I am sure Pakistan will see changes. Once the changes I mentioned above occur within the political parties. :)

[ehtasab]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

@Aalsi

I am sure Pakistan will see changes. Once the changes I mentioned above occur within the political parties. :)

And who is going to make the changes? Don't tell me its Musharraf.

[Aalsi]

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And who is going to make the changes? Don't tell me its Musharraf.

Not at all. The party members themselves, if allowed to do so of-course. Unless the 'WILL' says otherwise. :)

[ehtasab]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

^ so why do you keep harping about Musharraf being good for the democracy in country?

[Aalsi]

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@ehtasab

^ so why do you keep harping about Musharraf being good for the democracy in country?

Unity, unity, unity. Under President Musharaf there is more democracy in Pakistan than ever seen before. Long may it continue. :k:

[ehtasab]

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^ BS unity. There was same democracy in Ziaul Haq's tenure as well. Such democracies give rise to no one but thugs like MQM, Nawaz Sharif, Ch brothers etc.

[Aalsi]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

^ BS unity. There was same democracy in Ziaul Haq's tenure as well. Such democracies give rise to no one but thugs like MQM, Nawaz Sharif, Ch brothers etc.

ehtasab bhaijan. Was BB forced to write a 'WILL' to bestow the leadership of her political part to Zardari? What kind of democracy do you call this? At least under the great leadership of President Musharaf we are having second parliamentary elections with all major parties taking part. If the poltical parties did not believe this to be democracy then they would not have taken part in this democractic process. :)

Enjoy the elections next week, and get ready to welcome the new democratically elected PM of Pakistan. :)

[ehtasab]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

ehtasab bhaijan. Was BB forced to write a 'WILL' to bestow the leadership of her political part to Zardari? What kind of democracy do you call this? At least under the great leadership of President Musharaf we are having second parliamentary elections with all major parties taking part. If the poltical parties did not believe this to be democracy then they would not have taken part in this democractic process. :)

Enjoy the elections next week, and get ready to welcome the new democratically elected PM of Pakistan. :)

Your continue to show your trait of deflection. We are talking about "change in Pakistan", my post was about 'unity' and past so-called democracies under other army-rules and yet you continue to harp about BB's will.

[Aalsi]

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Your continue to show your trait of deflection. We are talking about "change in Pakistan", my post was about 'unity' and past so-called democracies under other army-rules and yet you continue to harp about BB's will.

You once again missed the point. Pakistan is more democratic now than any other era.

[ehtasab]

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^ No point was missed, I already told you we had similar democracy under Ziaul Haq. We had such sham democracies in 1990s as well. So there is nothing special in this one

[Aalsi]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

^ No point was missed, I already told you we had similar democracy under Ziaul Haq. We had such sham democracies in 1990s as well. So there is nothing special in this one

Not at all. There is more Democracy now than ever before.

[TheRealDeal]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

Not at all. There is more Democracy now than ever before.

once again, you show u really do live in a dream world.

[ehtasab]

Re: How will Change come in Pakistan [split: Why is Zardari silent...]

Not at all. There is more Democracy now than ever before.

How? By house-arresting your perceived opponents? By firing judges who stop toe-ing your line? By issuing NROs?

[Aalsi]

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@ehtasab

How? By house-arresting your perceived opponents? By firing judges who stop toe-ing your line? By issuing NROs?

These judges were over reaching their remit, by stifling the development Pakistan needed to survive, and were not allowing the democratically elected government to carryout its work.

Thanks to the timely intervention of great President Musharaf, Pakistan is back on the democratic and development path. God Bless President Musharaf. :k: