How united is the 'joint-opposition'?

The Joint Opposition is being portrayed as an invincible force. Serious enemies of the past are now together. But what are they together for?
Only to oust the govt…?

Where else are they united? If the govt is sent packing, what will the ‘joint oppostion’ do next? Kill each other for the throne?
Or do they really have unity suddenly on certain policies etc?

I wouldnt think so…

Very recent examples:

The Hudood Ordinance ammendment, an issue haunting the entire nation and each govt for decades. Finally the Women’s Rights Bill is presented in the parliament, the MMA, a major part of the ‘joint opposition’, insults the parliament, disrespects the bill and indulges in acts that many call treason and blasphemy since the copies of the bill that they tore and threw towards the speaker and trampled contained verses from Quran, Hadith and Name of the Prophet (SAW) and the name of IRoPakistan. They are fanaticaly against any ammendments. Why!? What are ther reasons…? Only they know and they dont feel like explaining…? Everyone knows there are no alterations being made in Allah’s laws but only in interpretations of Allah’s laws.

The PPP, another major part of the ‘joint opposition’, meanwhile is all support for the ammendment. An obvious stand as the leadership consists of a no. of modern women ala BB and Sherry Rehman. Sherry and BB both issued statements that they were for this.

Yesterday, the day the charge sheet was filed, on a discussion with Dr Shahid Masood on ARY right in front of the Parliament House, Chaudry Shujaat, Makhdoom Amin Fahim and Qazi Hussain sat in this order. It was news to Makhdoom when he learned from Chaudry Shyjaat that his allies in the ‘joint-opposition’ the MMA, were at that moment in a meeting with the govt, the MMA side lead by Fazl.

There may be many such examples…where are they headed…?

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Who is portraying them as ‘invincible’?

When faced with a ‘govt’ backed by Bush and 500,000 armed men to force their rule, it will take more than this for the opposition to topple the govt.

However the walls are slowly but surely closing in on Mush, this is the just the beginning.

Interesting article by the respected International Herald Tribune

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/17/news/musharraf.php

Problems for Pakistan’s president

Nearly five years after Sept. 11 turned Pervez Musharraf into one of Washington’s most indispensable allies, the president of Pakistan finds himself squeezed from many directions, leading to one of the most serious political binds of his seven-year tenure

His two main political foes, who undermined each other for years, are linking arms in an effort to restore civilian rule. Some religious conservatives who were once allies, meanwhile, emboldened by spreading rage against Musharraf’s pro-American stance, have stepped up their criticism. Corruption scandals have dogged some of his partners, including the prime minister, Shaukat Aziz, who faces an upcoming no-confidence motion in Parliament next week. Inflation has increased. An ethnic insurgency in Baluchistan, which Pakistan blames on unfriendly neighbors, refuses to subside.

No one doubts that the president, who is also the army chief of staff, remains the most powerful man in Pakistan - "he still makes the political weather, " as one Western diplomat put it - and enjoys the backing of the United States. But cracks in the armor are beginning to show.

Last month, a politely searing letter signed by a group of retired generals and government officials, including those who once worked with him, called for “the military’s disengagement from political power,” urging Musharraf to shed his military uniform if he was to remain president.

In Washington, there are also simmering concerns. A series of planned terrorist attacks with links to Pakistan as well as a sharp rise in cross-border Taliban attacks in Afghanistan have prompted renewed debate within the Defense Department about Pakistan, according to two people involved who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly. They said the sharply rising American casualty rate in Afghanistan, in particular, had increased skepticism among American military officers regarding Pakistan’s efforts to rein in the Taliban.

“There is an increasing view in the United States that Pakistan isn’t very helpful,” said one person involved in the debate, referring to growing frustration among American military officers. “There are people who are really thinking twice about this relationship with Pakistan.”

At home, Musharraf has also been criticized for having little to show for his overtures toward India. Likewise, his post-Sept. 11 assault on suspected militants sheltering in the tribal areas along the Afghan border, done at the behest of the Bush administration, has resulted in the capture of a number of Qaeda leaders but also the death of hundreds of Pakistani troops and a mounting rage in the tribal areas.

At the same time, Afghanistan and India have been nipping at the general’s heels for not doing enough to crack down on militants that they say export violence to their respective countries. Religious radical groups continue to operate here, including those that have links with banned terrorist outfits. They continue to be implicated in investigations of terror suspects half a world away - most recently the group Jamaat- ud-Dawa in the London terror plot.

Even Musharraf’s promise to reform radical madrassas, or Islamic religious seminaries, is yet to be fulfilled.

“There are new domestic eruptions, and he hasn’t yet drenched the fires on the foreign policy front, which is creating difficulties,” said Najam Sethi, editor of The Daily Times in Lahore.

“Musharraf is in a weaker position than he has been in the past, no doubt about it,” said a Western diplomat in Pakistan, who was not authorized to comment publicly on the politics of this country. “There are constraints on him.”

But in Washington, the official view there remains strongly supportive. Richard Boucher, the assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asia, credited Musharraf with having kept his promise to “break” with the Taliban and its Qaeda backers. And although the Taliban has reorganized inside Pakistan, Boucher said, Musharraf’s government is trying to gain control of the Pakistan-Afghan border.

“They’ve closed some camps, they’ve outlawed some groups,” he said in an interview. “You have to understand how deeply rooted extremism is in Pakistan.”

Of his cooperation with Washington, he added: “I think we’ve seen plenty. We certainly work with Musharraf.”

The coming months also pose a big question mark. With elections expected before the end of next year, there is a creeping concern among friends and critics alike: Will domestic politics further compromise his ability to drive through promised reforms?

For the sake of staying in power, political observers say, Musharraf must broaden his support. If he broadens it in favor of the right, his ability to crack down on religious extremists would be further compromised; one of the religious parties he has been cultivating in Baluchistan, for instance, the Jamiat-e- Ulema Islam, is openly pro-Taliban.

If he broadens in favor of the political left, he could more easily carry out his promise to crack down on extremism, but would then have to embrace a political nemesis: Benazir Bhutto, leader of the Pakistan People’s Party, who lives in exile, having been convicted of corruption. She has signed a pact with Nawaz Sharif of the Pakistan Muslim League, the other main opposition party leader, also in exile.

For his part, Musharraf presented a lengthy defense of his record in a speech to the country in late July one that also revealed the breadth of his troubles. Addressing inflation, he announced that government shops would sell basic staples at controlled prices to the poor. He said the domestic budget had more than doubled during his tenure, he outlined a sweeping development plan for insurgent Balochistan.

The economy has grown at a clip of 7 percent over the last three years. He criticized India and Afghanistan for suggesting that his efforts to tackle terrorist groups were less than robust. And on the subject of religious radicals, he urged mosques to refrain from using loudspeakers, demanded that “hate material” not be circulated, and urged state officials to “look at the problem and take it seriously.”

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President ML(Q) has announced that he won't be contesting next party elections to become the leader of his party again. According to him, this is his last time as president. All these democrats, i.e. Benazir, Shareefs, Iltaf etc fighting military dictators should make similar announcements. Or is it that the people like Sharif, Bhutto, Asfandyar have some divine right to rule their 'democratic' parties?

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The opposition is as united as the so-called rebel Baloch Sardars. One Sardar can get an important position in a government to kill others till he is kicked out or the government collapse. Then he must save himself (in alliance with other sardars) from another Sardar who is either part of another government or the same government (with new faxes).

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what opposition? the ones in exile? forget about it. The military has no opposition. That is the 1st rule of dictatorship. From here you only go to despotism unless srious changes occur.

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^^ we dont have politicians to have a proper government or an opposition FULL STOP.

If we had few sincere people, they would have stood together against dictatorship always, but they support dictatorships when out of power and invite them with open arms.

WE will not have any dictatorships if he have democratic leaders who has true pricipals of democracy.

oppertunists, power hungry, money looters, or mullah in name of islam all are not politicians.

Get rid of these, we will have no martial laws. Imagine if no one had supported musharraf, all fought against army rule, but no one has the courage or conviction to do that. by hook or crook they need to be on a minister chair and have funds to eat. Thats what required by all Pakistani politicians.

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interesting thread.

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IMRAN KHAN :)

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^Yesterday he held a telethon on GEO for the hospital with Naeem Bukhari, Wasim Akram and Sushmita Sen. There was alot of good converstaion going on. I have so much respect and admiration for him and always idolize him as a fighter, a sportsman, a hero, a social worker, a passionate patriot and honest and confident bearing-BUT! All this admiration gets blown away the moment he sports his political pants (read shalwar).
He is simply absurd in that arena so far unfortunately…doesnt know who to ally with and who to oppose…even when he’s saying smthng 100% right it makes him look comical when one notices who he’s sitting with i.e. often one of the old smudged players from MMA, PPP, PMLN so on…how credible does that make him look…? :bummer:

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Well stated :k:

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True, imrans an amazing person, cricketers, humanitarian, probably a good father, but a LOUSY politician.

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In just 2 months this National Assembly will have been in place for a quite historic 4 years period. Yet for all their brave talk not one member of the MMA, PPP, and even ousted Nawaz's PML N have resigned their seats in the assemblies - to date. Oh, and there is Imran and his PTI still sitting comfortably there as well. All are quite happy receiving all the pay and perks of their positions as part of legislatures elected under the "diktats" of Musharraf.

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sitting with opposition parties is no crime, supporting their corrupt practices certainly is. What about musharraf who has gathered the most corrupt lotas from all the political parties around him. What would you suggest Imran should do, sit alone, there is no harm in cooperating with opposition parties on issues of common interest

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“Opposition rift to affect anti-govt drive: Qazi”
http://dawn.com/2006/09/18/top5.htm

See…?

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“ARD asks MMA not to attend Quetta rally”
http://dawn.com/2006/09/18/top4.htm

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No one wants to be associated with mullahs, who have always been the B-team of the army. The same army that is killing balochis. Can't blame them.

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thats exactly what I think whenever i see Mush sitting with the Sheikh Rashids & Sherpaos of this world :halo:

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Yes, I agree Zakk, that has been Mush's biggest mistake...perhaps he should have relied more on his baton than these political freaks :D

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Even after the demise of Bugti, the MMA has remained part of the PML Q-led government in Balochistan, and then failed to quit it’s assembly seats even after threatening it. Then again even the ARD parties (PPP-P and PML-N) have not quit their seats in the Balochistan PA or any of the other assemblies as well. Not even the tonga party of Imran. :hehe: Must be a crushing blow to people who have long been banking on the opposition to do that! :slight_smile:

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Fahim opposes grand opposition alliance

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\09\30\story_30-9-2006_pg1_2