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Imran Khan apart most of them are the same old corrupt faces.
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Now that Musharraf is riding on high, the opposition knows he is not going anywhere, and they are melting like jelly. I hear the PPP is now desperate to make a deal with Musharraf at any price, hence Fahim's statement.
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PPP will not make any deal with Musharraf.
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^I hope Musharraf doesnt make any deal with PPP.
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is it PPP or PPPP or however many P's are in that pod
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:cb:***
No need for grand alliance: Fahim***
http://dawn.com/2006/10/05/top5.htm
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:rotfl:
Look at Fahim’s words carefully:-
He said if the opposition was not in a position to overthrow the Gen Musharraf government through a popular movement, political parties should prepare for the next general election. He said the nation would decide whether it was in favour of a revolution or elections.
After 4 years of bluster these opposition buffoons are finally admitting that they can’t remove the General, and will have to take part in the next elections under his rule.
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Poor Fahim has to go around soothing his ARD buddies after his boss BB publicly owned upto contacts with the govt for the first time.
PPP to explain govt ‘contact’ to PML-N
The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz has sought an explanation from the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) leadership of its alleged secret contacts with the government, sources said. PPP Chairman Makhdoom Amin Fahim is expected to explain his party’s position to the PML-N today (Monday). Sources said that PML-N Chairman Raja Zafarul Haq had lodged a protest with Fahim following Benazir Bhutto’s statement about the party’s secret contacts with the government. The PPP will explain the nature of its talks with the government and why it kept other allied parties in the dark on this issue. Talking to Online, Haq said that Fahim had agreed to explain the situation to him on Monday.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\10\09\story_9-10-2006_pg7_4
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“Nawaz hopes Benazir will deny contacts with govt”
http://www.dawn.com/2006/10/16/top1.htm
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Despite her anti-military rhetoric in public Benazir has been talking to the generals ever since Musharraf seized power in 1999, but he has never agreed to let her be PM again. Now that she knows Musharraf’s position is unassailable, and he is not going anywhere she is ready to cut a deal with the govt and ditch Nawaz. She does not want to repeat the mistakes of 2002 when she stopped Fahim becoming PM, and wants to ensure that her party at least get’s a leading share after 2007.
Of course she will meet Nawaz and say everything is ok, and deny talks with the govt, but we know that on multiple occassions before she has cut deals with the military. In 1988 she came to power after making a deal with Zia’s generals, and in 1993 when she was brought to the General Headquarters in a military helicopter to plot against Nawaz.
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ARD parties have divergent views on vital issues
http://www.dawn.com/2006/10/17/nat27.htm
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:D
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:D
PPP does not need (much) military support to be elected. However if Musharaf stays in power for long, military (may) need PPP's support and Benazir's negotiation powers to free 90,000+ prisoners of war,(may be) including a few generals (a.k.a. tiger(s) ) as well.
Looks like another press briefing by DG (ISPR). :)
Benazir and Nawaz can attract masses of people with their words and agenda. They can control millions of Pakistanis by a movement of their hand. They lead the biggest political parties of Pakistan (..). If they claimed power in the past or they can claim power in future, its not surprising. If they will not be elected then who (else) will????
Military just conduct those elections and ensures that every thing is fine. There is no more influence of army than this unless a general is interested in his very own rule (like Ayub, Yehya, Zia or Musharaf).
Army had a few professional chiefs like Aslam Baig, Asif Janjoa (to name a few) but people like Ayub, Mushraf and Zia are also there. By the way how Musharaf came to power?
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[quote=umer.ashraf]
PPP does not need (much) military support to be elected. However if Musharaf stays in power for long, military (may) need PPP’s support and Benazir’s negotiation powers to free 90,000+ prisoners of war,(may be) including a few generals (a.k.a. tiger(s)) as well.
A very valid point these Army officer children don’t want to hear
Army always run to civilians to save them after every defeat, before they hide behind the nukes the civilians gave them
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Slightly off topic and sorry to disrupt your joy. but dont belittle your own military that much.
Even the civilian gifted nukes cant be delivered on a PIA flight or a Pajero from Raiwind or Larkana.
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Those poking fun at the military merely for the fun of it are begherat. Even the 'joint-opposition' of NS and Benazir have criticized Musharraf and army's political role, and not the armed forces itself.
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BB still looking to Musharraf and the army for a deal, making ex-ganja rather nervous.
Nawaz-Benazir mistrust to persist
The gulf created between two former prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif because of the “Musharraf factor” is unlikely to be bridged easily in the coming days despite their public statements after Thursday’s four-hour long negotiations here, reveal background interviews with political sources.
The sources claimed that despite Nawaz’s insistence during the one-on-one meeting that the confusion shrouding Benazir’s contacts with Musharraf has been cleared, a wavering Benazir refused to commit before the media that she would not strike a deal with Musharraf, giving an impression that unlike Nawaz she has not closed the doors for a deal with the general. In private conservations, political leaders were convinced that Benazir was still “wavering” despite signing the so-called Charter of Democracy. They said she wanted to stay in touch simultaneously with both Nawaz and Musharraf, and so far she has been playing her cards smartly. They observed that a shrewd Benazir was making her own political calculations before opting for either Nawaz or Musharraf which is something not acceptable to the Nawaz camp.
But, one view is that Benazir has actually taken Nawaz into confidence regarding her secret political moves during their one-on-one meeting and both the leaders discussed some matters which they thought should not be shared even with their otherwise trusted political lieutenants who were asked to leave them alone after the first round of talks.
But the sources said the one-on-one meeting also failed to convince the Nawaz camp that Benazir would not join the ranks of Musharraf as he still has serious doubts about Benazir’s political strategy. The disappointment in the PML-N ranks could be judged from the fact that many believe that the sweeping statement of party’s chairman Raja Zafrul Haq a few days ahead of Thursday’s meeting could be partially correct that it could be “crucial” one if not the “last”. Many eyebrows were raised over the stunning statement of Raja Zafarul Haq but the political developments taking place now indicate that both Nawaz and Benazir might not maintain the required confidence in each other after the Thursday meeting which might benefit the present military rulers in Pakistan. Insiders believe that after the “crucial” meeting between the two top leaders, the existing gulf was expected to widen as suspicions of the Nawaz camp about Benazir striking a deal with Musharraf deepened instead of being removed despite the four-hour long negotiations.
The sources said the Nawaz camp is now at least convinced that Benazir would not miss a chance to strike a deal with Musharraf if provided with an opportunity and it was only the matter of time when she might enter into some kind of arrangements to share power with General Pervez Musahrraf before or after the 2007 elections. The sources believe that now much depend on Musharraf who is in a position to offer something to Benazir that might convince her to part ways with Nawaz. The sources said that for the Nawaz camp, Thursday’s meeting was “crucial” as the leadership wanted to assess the mindset of Benazir regarding her contacts with Musahrraf as was reported in the media quoting Benazir herself. But Benazir did not say anything to Nawaz that might have convinced him that she was not opting for a deal with Musharraf and that apprehensions expressed in the past were wrong and mere “speculations” or work of secret agencies to divide and rule. As it was not enough to create a gulf, the mild tone of Benazir at the press conference gave a clear message to the Nawaz camp that she was still waiting for some “confidence building measures” from General Musharraf before making up her mind either to strike a deal with him or not. It is now clear that the Nawaz camp wants Benazir to pursue a clear path of politics which means no contacts with Musharraf to return to power. And here both the leaders stand sharply divided: Benazir is not ready to close the doors on messengers of Musharraf as she believes in “politics of negotiations and deals”. On the other hand like every idealistic leader, a completely changed and uncompromising Nawaz strongly believes that being the two times prime minister he has enjoyed enough power and now is time to do honest politics sans military generals and deals.
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Well, in her short interaction with the media, Benazir didn't clearly rule out any 'talks' with Musharraf. Judging by her tone and careful choice of words, I was left with the impression that she is open to and perhaps engaged in some kind of 'talks' with the current govt.
As for Nawaz Sharif, I'm afraid, he's going to be left feeling betrayed and abandoned once again. This time by a politician.
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Despite all the protestations of the so-called “Charter of Democracy” i.e. to keep the military out of politics, Benazir is reverting to a 53-year old habit of Pakistani politicians to appeal to the Pakistani army to garner power, or in her case some share (for her party, the PPP-P) of it this time round.
This tradition of appealing to the Generals was first started way back in 1953 when Muhammad Ali Bogra, the 3rd Prime Minister of Pakistan, set a new precedent of inviting the Commander-in-Chief of the Pakistan Army to become the Defense Minister in the government. Remember this was many years before the first military coup in 1958. Bogra’s precedent of involving the military in politics was kept up by successive civilian leaders right upto 1999, and Benazir Bhutto is doing it yet again. That is despite what she promised poor lonely Nawaz who I hear is seen strolling London’s Oxford St practically on his own these days without ever being recognized by anyone.
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BeghairatNazeer Bhutto and Ganju were shown sitting a little too close for comfort, but with the recent lota-shift towards Musharraf, I have a feeling shes cheating on Ganju-Ram.