first of all, its a question of being able to deal with different cultures, east or west does not matter. anyone who says saudi culture is the same as pakistani culture obviously does not know either very well. religion may be the same (debatable really) but thats about it.
t has little to do with east or west. there are cultural differences among ppl who live in Pakistan as well. when some UP background girl from karachi marries some pathan guy in attock, they have diff cultures, foods, literature, norms, and a kid growing up should be exposed to both.
Even when I was in KSA, I spent 4 months each year in Pakistan and UK. and home waa always UK, never saw KSA or Pak as home. As I moved between countries each year I had to be able to relate and function in all those cultures. the parents always helped us and taught us and guided us to be successful.
and did move to US at 16 and was able to have a great college experience because I was able to integrate in university community and not the ghettoised vesion of college experience many foriegn students have by staying in their cliques. nd this was US, as I studied in Europe, where my american friens were havign issues I was able to be okay. and many others like me whose folks helped them be able to be culturally sensitive and accepting, open and respectful of others cultures etc, have that as an advantage, and the credit goes to teh parents who did not shield their kids and taughtthem just ‘their way’
issi liye kehtay hain pehlay baat tolo phir bolo.
but pats of what he said do apply,
desi kids not in 'des' need to teach their kids about the culture where tehy come from and the culture where they are.
the self inposed seclusion and segregation experiment has shown terrible results and can be seen in mirpuri ghettos all over UK.
You can practice your religious values and still be a well rounded individual offering some value to the society. I think people with correct and strong foundations are more stable that the ones that try too hard to fit in, and are thereby reduced to neither this nor that.
I grew up in many different parts of the world, been to school in US, worked in a corporate environment but have never had to compromise on the values taught to me by my parents. If I don't respect myself, I cannot respect anyone else.
My only trouble is with desi people who so desparately try to fit in that they may not even be able to face their parents let alone set an example for kids.
I did not make any plans I left it to Allah (SWT). I opened the other thread as I also had so many misconceptions about proms. I am open minded too , that helps me understand things better and accept what is right and reject what is wrong.
So do you have answer to my daughter's question ?
Probably because women are not strong enough to take a big responsibility like prophethood.
In our pakistani culture and in other cultures people don't care about their sons hanging out with girls because boys can't get pregnant though the sin is on their shoulder but some parents can't see it.
you got it :k: let the sons have normal, decent lives and shelter hte daughters so much so that they are socially awkward, with almost zero self-esteem is destroyed as well as possibly their faith. thats the desi way to raise children.
wow, so boys ARE allowed to have female friends/girlfriends, hang out late at night, go out with freinds and even get a secular education. But girsl are completely forbidden from mixing into the society or even having normal education?
hopefully my child will be exposed to 3: perfect Urdu (from their dadkay), perfect english (out in the world) and gibberish (their mamma).
Sara you are behaving like the Ulema a Yahood behaved in ayam a jahilia or some mullahs and Islam bashers do it now a days, namely ,taking the things out of conext to prove your point.
You obviously did not read the whole discussion and all the responses and you are jumping up and down.
To post a reply in this discussion I will request you to please read the thread in its entirety.
This the whole reply I gave to Hareem. Read it in its entirety to get the whole picture:
Islam has different standards and different code of conducts and different roles for men and women. Does it not ? My daughter the other day was asking dady why there was no women prophet ?
If you have answer to this question then you will not be whining about boys going to prom but the girls not going to it.
And as I got more educated about prom I will have no hesitation to send her there either. I did not go to high school or college here in USA , I did go to university just as an audit student so I am not very much exposed to the educational culture, I am learning as I go.
answer: because the mod is doing what the mod is supposed to do, promote interesting topics brought up by different members and making them sticky so a larger group of guppies have a chance to see them.
I have many bicultural kids in my family and the closet is my nephew....
what special steps were taken by their parents to raise them that new parents should know if they worth it???
My daughter the other day was asking dady why there was no women prophet ?
Can you prove there weren't any?
The Quran specifically names only 25 prophets out of a total of 124,000. The Quran never specifically states that there were no female prophets...youre just making an assumption based on the 0.02% sample that we know about.
There are a number of classical scholars who believed that there were women among the ranks of the 123,975 prophets we don't know about. I remember reading that Imam al-Qurtobi actually wrote about how Hazrat Maryam was a prophet, as the Quran even mentions that she received revelations from God.
I agree with Sara & Hareem...it is a double standard on your part.
I agree with Sara & Hareem...it is a double standard on your part.
When did I say there was not any ? I do not know answer any which way.
I know some ulema's say that Hazrat Mariam was a Nabi because Allah and His angels talked to her. Wallah Alim, again there are two schools of thought on that issue.
My answer to her was I do not know for sure if there was a women prophet or not. But if there was not any the reason could have been that the Prophets of Allah had to undergo so many hardships to spread Allah's dean that might be the reason Allah did not want to burden any women with prophet hood.
You are making your own assumptions and then placing allegation on me , what double standards are you talking about ? I have already cleared that I did not have much knowledge about what happens at proms. My knowledge about proms was limited to what I have seen in TV programs or movies which necessitated my need to go with my boys to proms to make sure that they do not indulge in those activities. But after reading the input from the boys and girls and parents who have first hand knowledge about proms my views have changed.
So take a chill pill and do not pass judgments based on your or other's assumptions.
