We have seen a sudden rise in secretarian discussions after the lifting of moratorium…but this had some major shortcomings…cursing the opponent is by no means an ethical thing…becoms worst if some one tries to curse some on whom u respect …
SHIA SUNNI DEBATE
HEre i am asking about ..what in ur opinion are the remdies to cure this thing..religious hatred will not end just by imposing a ban on it…we have seen it…moratorium kay baad sub aaisay totay jaisay piasa pani pay…
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*..what in ur opinion are the remdies to cure this thing..**
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When Prophet Muhammad, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, visited Taif to spread Islam to that city's people, what type of reception did he receive? Kids threw stones at him, so much so that he was bleeding and his shoes became full of blood. Angel Jibril came upto him to ask him whether he wanted the people of Taif to be killed for their hostility. The Prophet's response? He prayed for them instead that their descendants may one day, Insha'Allah, accept Islam. That is precisely what occurred - Taif did indeed embrace Islam.
My point being - seems as though we like to Nauzubillah put ourselves on a pedestal above Prophet Muhammad, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him. We read a few words in this Forum that some moron has stated in an offensive manner and the next thing you know, we're fighting out a war of words via our keyboards. Sabr koi naam ki cheez hoti hai. None of us, Alhamdulillah, have gone through what Prophet Muhammad, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, had to go through in the defence of his faith. So who are we to lose our patience and mock each other ? We haven't even been put through a fraction of the challenges that our Prophet had to go through. If he showed patience, what makes us so superior that we will not ?
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Nadia, you make some valid points.
IMO, (Correct me if I am wrong) we should never leave the 'Daman ’ of ‘Sabar’ *. We must always follow the path of Prophet saw . I try my best to correct the person who ever tries to play with the respect of prophet :saw:, but sometimes it does get out of control. I am no one to judge no body, but sometime the tone of people and the things they write; do get pretty obvious. *
I am not in the favor of cursing and fighting with someone who keeps on disrespecting Rasool :saw: BUT what you are suppose to when a person on regular basis does it over and over again ?
When Rasool :saw: have said him self that * 'One never becomes a complete Muslim until, I am more dearer to him than his family*-Al-Bukhari
I just hate to be a hypocrite like other cowards over here. A ‘Ghairtmand’ shaks who is good in his ‘Deen’ and ‘Islam’ knows that his family is his Izzat. When he can walk his mother to grocery shop or his sister to college; why can’t the same person be so protective about the Izzat of prophet saw ?? Why we teach our selves ‘sabar’ and ‘kindness’ of prophet Mohammad :saw: when it comes to his respect ? Why don’t we react the same way when it comes to our family ? BECAUSE, our Mothes/Sisters/Family are more dearer to us . You think me or anybody on this forum will stays quite; if someone points out or plays with the Izzat of our mothers/sisters? No body will (certain exceptions are always there ).
Sirf itna Kehna Haye, Kaye fine don’t go all ‘ballistic’ and curse who curses Rasool saw and his family ; BUT don’t just sit behind your computers after reading something disrespectful about the prophet :saw:. Take an extra step, write something to stop it. If the person doesn’t listen, use harsh words. At least we will be able to say on the Day of Judgment t *'Yes Allah we saw someone disrespecting the prophet saw, but we didn’t just sit back and watched him mocking the Rasool saw; we did what ever we could to prevent as such *. Most likely, that person will never ever get the point; but the other readers might get it straight that i.e. ** YES, one should never compromise with the respect of prophet saw, just like no one comprises with the respect of their mothers and sisters.**.
Those were my 2 cents… Feel free to comment/correct anything I have said above. And I never meant to address you or anybody, just a general remark.
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I will appreciate if you can provide the whole dua of Rasoolulah:saw: not that just one line which u are refering to in the reply .. I am looking for that WHOLE duaa…
here is something i found that i hope will be taken as a good advise inshallah
This is what was reported from Imaam Ahmad, and this is the view of the fair-minded among his companions and others among the Muslims. Saalih ibn Ahmad said: I said to my father, some people say that they love Yazeed. He said, O my son, does anyone love Yazeed who believes in Allaah and the Last Day? I said, O my father, why do you not curse him? He said, O my son, when did you ever see your father curse anybody? http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=14007&dgn=4
so even though imam ahmed says such strong views regarding yazeed, he still did not curse him. so we all should avoid the cursing game no matter who were are talking about. now this is about dead personlities only. if someone alive curses allah, we try to stop him by hand, or by tongue or consider it bad in our heart and that is the weakest of the faith.
You have six Kalimas, the sixth of which is called ‘Radde Kufr’ wherein you do tabarra. Like in:
Fatabarra’tu Minal Kufri wash Shirki wal Kidhb.
I disassociate myself from Kufr and Shirk.
Do you regard the doing of tabarra as permissible?
Following is your sixth Kalima for your convenience:
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6) Kalma Radde Kufr: Allah Humma inni Aaoozubika Min An Oshrika Beka Shai Aown Wa Anaa Aalamo Behi Tubtu Anho Wa Tabarrato Minal Kufri Washshirki Wal Kizbi Wal Jheebati Wal Bidaati Wan Nameemati Wal Fawahishi Wal Bohtani Wal Maasi Kulliha Wa Aslamtoo Wa Aamantoo Wa Aqoolo Laa ilaaha illal Lahoo Mohammadur Rasool Ullah.
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Two Translations of sixth Kalima
The word in Repudiation of Infidelity (Rud-A-Kuffer)
*O Allah, I seek refuge with Thee against entertaining any idea of wittingly associating anything with Thy singular entity. I seek Thy pardon for any unwitting lapse (on my part in this regard) & from it I retrace my steps towards Thee. I wash my hands of infidelity & polytheism, falsehood & table-bearing. back-biting & heretic innovations. indecency. false accusations & all sorts of other sins. To Thee I surrender myself & proclaim that there is no deity except Allah & that Muhammad (On Whom Be Peace) is the last Messenger of Allah).
(O Allah, surely I do seek refuge in You from making any partner with You Knowingly; I beg Your forgiveness for the sins which I am not aware of’ surely, You are the Knower of all secrets. I repent for all the sins and make myself proof against all religions except Islam and I accepted it and declare that there is no God But Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah)*
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I'm also very disturbed by the Shia Sunni debates happenning on GS all the time. I will second what NADIA said. We don't have control on what others say but we sure can control what we say ourselves.
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
When Prophet Muhammad, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, visited Taif to spread Islam to that city's people, what type of reception did he receive? Kids threw stones at him, so much so that he was bleeding and his shoes became full of blood. Angel Jibril came upto him to ask him whether he wanted the people of Taif to be killed for their hostility. The Prophet's response? He prayed for them instead that their descendants may one day, Insha'Allah, accept Islam. That is precisely what occurred - Taif did indeed embrace Islam.
My point being - seems as though we like to Nauzubillah put ourselves on a pedestal above Prophet Muhammad, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him. We read a few words in this Forum that some moron has stated in an offensive manner and the next thing you know, we're fighting out a war of words via our keyboards. Sabr koi naam ki cheez hoti hai. None of us, Alhamdulillah, have gone through what Prophet Muhammad, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, had to go through in the defence of his faith. So who are we to lose our patience and mock each other ? We haven't even been put through a fraction of the challenges that our Prophet had to go through. If he showed patience, what makes us so superior that we will not ?
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That is an excellent post, Nadia. Hope all of us watch our mouths before we challenge others.
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I'm also very disturbed by the Shia Sunni debates happenning on GS all the time. I will second what NADIA said. We don't have control on what others say but we sure can control what we say ourselves.
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If you are a sunni then you would be disturbed.
saby this is not a fight/war like thing. its simply a debate on internet. dont campare it with those who kill others in mosques during worship.
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I dont know why people take it to such extreme. No one is saying to kill the person who is saying bad out of his mouth against prophet mohammad :saw: just try to stop him to best of your ability. Is it too much to ask ?
-Salman
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Just wondering how do we control that very person who comes after the respect of our familes ? Don’t we at least raise a voice ? Dont we at least say something to stop that person ? But when it comes to prophet izzat :saw:. SABAR SAYE KAAM LAINA CHAHAYE.
-Salman
Ps: I am not only talking about shia sunni debates in particular. I am indeed reffering to some incidents that have happend in the past on this forum. People take sides of those or just stay quite when they see a person typing bad out of his mouth about prophet saw and his family. I hate that.
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*Originally posted by Madhanee: *
As long as you admit that you are wrong, and your religion is not the “best” religion in the whole wide world, ...
I remember the word Rud e Kufr. But not this Kalima.
I remember just one KALIMA.
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You don’t need to memorize it, its only for Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat. Not for you.
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