How To Judge?

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While reading a verse 13 from chapter 49, one question came in my mind that we human do good and bad deeds/acts which cause others to react on all our actions which they felt (good or bad) and label/remember us by saying ‘Sunni’, ‘Shia’, ‘Muslim’, ‘Kaafir’ etc., and feel pround to be a part of us otherwise become enemies in case if felt bad.

So why we found ‘guilty’ a ‘sect’ rather than that one person due to whom all his followers fall in trap. Why is not he or she only punished and not the whole group?

Is our way of Judgement ‘others’, is correct or wrong?

Plz share ur views :jazak:

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:wsalam:

Why is it necessary on our part to label an individual or a group based on ideologies? We usually don’t label others as ‘muslim’, ‘sunni’, ‘kaafir’ based on their deeds/acts but what they believe. People can co-exist in harmony even if they have differing ideologies. I am not in favor of the ‘bush philosophy’ of either you are with us or against us. despise this binary thinking that one can only be a part of yours or an enemey of yours. Real enemies are those who are anti-social.

If you think that you are on the right path (actually everybody think that way) and a person you know is on the wrong path then what can you do:

  1. You can try to show him the right path
  2. pray for him
  3. pray for guidance of your own self so that Allah makes things clearer for you

You are not the ‘khuddai foojdaar’ to make some individual or sect ‘guilty’ or ‘evil’

As the burden of guilt is concerned, the persons who misguide the masses are definitely the main culprit and then among their followers there are many classes and as per my understanding will be judged by Allah wrt to their conscious decisions. Those who knowingly reject truth and work against it are the ones who invoke wrath of Allah upon them. similarly those who knowingly cling on falsehood for wordly gains or some expediencies will be dealt with by Allah accordingly.

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Peace,

I don't think so pplz can co-exist in harmony even if they have differing idelogies. One way or another they're enimes of each others. Moreover rather than picking one player and one time from another sect, belief won't going end this judgement others. However, if a leader convince another leader than there might be chances for all coming on one path.

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then why this fake 'Peace'?

I never thought I would hear it from you.

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verse 49:14 as referred to in the OP says

[QUOTE]
O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female; and We have made you into tribes and sub-tribes that you may recognize one another. Verily, the most honourable among you, in the sight of Allah, is he who is the most righteous among you. Surely, Allah is All-knowing, All-Aware.

[/QUOTE]

what it says is that the criteria of being honourable in the sight of Allah is righteousness. Please note that here Allah (swt) is addressing whole humanity and not just the believers. So what we got to know is that
1) Allah has the right to judge people
2) the criteria of high honor before Allah is righteousness, good deeds, being up-right

then how does that verse became the basis of we 'judging' others??

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what you mean to say is mods dont have the right to ask questions and clear up their confusion, being a mod does not mean a person will be question proof, why pointing at the person and not to his confusion, even the great scholar's get stuck at some point. I think its great that you let the confusion out and discuss it with others rather than hiding it, thinking what will other say a mod is asking questions like these ;)

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i think ur focusing on small groups formed in muslims due to some difference in opinion and rather sorting out those different issues they created a separate group and because of this now there are so many groups and its hard for an average knowledge person to decided which one is right and which one is wrong and people belonging those groups will get punish if they choose the wrong group while if we see the basic cause is that one person (their leader) who had different opinion who made a separate group, he should be entirely responsible alone. And all these leaders should sit together to sort out those small issues in order to regroup again and everyone follow the same path, the right path so, by this so many problems regarding fights on basis of belief be ended.

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Peace Southie,

What if I wasn’t ‘modz’? That what i wrote earlier will be acceptable than :faizy:

Peace kchughtai,

The question is who are ‘righteous’ in the sight of Almighty Allah? Simple answer is ‘those whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger :saw2:’. Some virtues of ‘righteous’ is as under:-

  • Who believes in Me [Almighty Allah]
  • The Last Day
  • The Angels
  • The Book
  • The Prophets
  • Who gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask for help and for freeing slaves
  • Those establishes prayers
  • Those who gives zakah
  • Those who fulfill their promise when they promise
  • Those who are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle
  • Those are the ones who have been true

The above all virtues are found in 'Seerat-e-Nabi :saw2: so life of our Prophet Muhammad :saw2: is the best example to follow and we were ordered to follow the ‘Seerat-e-Nabi’ :saw2:. What will heppen if one do something which is not found in ‘Seerat-e-Nabi’ :saw2:. Will others going to accept it?

Let me give u an example. Some years ago Mr. Tahir Ul Qadri meet a Pastor to spread peace between Islam and Christianity. Back in few months we read in various news about disrespecting of holy scriptures by christian and the rages of muslims pplz against them also seen widely. Where were ‘peace & harmony’ of these two religons gone at that time?

So simple is that the only religion is acceptable is ‘Islam’ and ‘Sunnah’ is the way of ‘life’ towards ‘Islam’.

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LK mod or no mod your view that folks with different ideologies are enemies makes NO SENSE.

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Peace Southie,

Wake up and see the reality. I already given an example on that. Its upto u whether u agree or not.

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Judgement is all about differentiation and without differentiation between things and concepts brain cannot work. So problem is not judgement but criterion or standard for judgement and ability of human beings to judge.

Even if we have right criterion yet it is possible for people to end up with wrong decisions because human error is a possibility that can never be eliminated. However, if we have the mindset and atitude that once we come to know what is right we are ready to take back our wrong decisions and replace them with the right ones then it is fine.

The quran divides mankind between those who work for peace=islam and those who work for wars=kufar. This is why the quran gives us information as a manifesto of islam and as a constitution of islam for mankind. The quran is a program or roadmap to peace through progress and prosperity upon which is based our next life ie whether we live and regret or are awareded.

So if you do not work for peace then you are inactive or work for war. ALLA ZEENA AAMANOO WA AAMILUSSAALIHAAT= those who claim to work for peace and take actions to remove rifts from between mankind. AAMAALE SAALIHA are such actions as help people remove reasons from between them which cause them to fight with each other.

People divide because some want to live in peace but others do not. It is those who do not want to live in peace cause all sorts of problems for others and all because they are ignorant, senseless and self centred.

Peace is only possible when people become aware of the fact that they must ensure peace for each other. So long as each person wants peace for himself but ignores others humanity is not going to be free from its self created harm and destruction.

This is why it is absolutely necessary that we judge each other but use a criterion that unites us for keeping each other right. This is why proper understanding of quran is necessary for each and every person in the world.

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yes. true but remember the example of the holy prophet (pbuh), how he dealt with people of other religions.

There are good and bad people in every community. we cannot brand whole nation or religious groups for the ill acts of some people. btw, there are numerous examples within muslims where groups belonging to same religious faction are continually quarelling with one another generations after generations and shedding blood for petty reasons. What will you deduce from this ?

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Peace kchughtai,

I do remember how our Prophet Muhammad :saw2: dealth with pplz of other religions but the main question which is keep pondering me that how our beloved Prophet Muhammad :saw2: dealth with those pplz of within same religion when they acted/done something which wasn’t He :saw2: done before. Of’coz if there is any. :slight_smile:

Peace Southie,

I will take it as a ‘compliment’ from you. :slight_smile:


I think the word enemy is not correct. Only ignorance brings enmity in hearts. By far, Islam brings a lot of tolerance and peace in a true practicing muslim. It's unfortunate that todays muslims are even more ignorant of their religion. But it is much more unfortunate that people who have hatred against Islam, those who clearly show their enmity against Islam, and those who indulge in arguments about Islam with a clear hidden agenda define this religion by the actions of ignorant muslims...

So, when it comes to Islam, the only enemies of Islam are the ones who attack Islam, it's teachings and Prophet Muhammad (SAW)...

Those non-muslims who do not bash Islam and the prophet (SAW) are clearly not any enemies..

So logical and simple are the teachings...

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Peace The Jinx,

I agree with you but there is difference between 'enemy' and 'ignorant'. :)

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Southie, go in the feedback forum if you want to do Mod bashing. Don't pollute normal threads, thanks.

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ok. please let me know how did he(pbuh) dealt with those people. btw, what exactly is your point/question:hmmm: please state it unambiguously

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Are you sure about this? :)

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What I did was not mod bashing. It was valid criticism of LKK's position that those with different ideologies are enemies of each other.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify.

As for polluting some would say LKKs view was polluting.

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this is religious forum, so the matter must be resolved by Revelation from God

you were actually heard the first time but conjecture doesnt hold weight here. most of us already know what the liberal handbook says