Re: How to free Pakistani society from Mullahs
There should be no* Jamiat* people in educational institutes.
neither salafi/malafi..
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lol
Read sooo many times to get amused.
Actually your posts too. ;)
Allama Iqbal is our ideological founding figure. What kind of Pakistani thinks his opinion on Mullas should be considered a source of amusement?
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First I need to ask you if you will not run away like before, saying " I ain’t playing this game and calling me troll when cornered and refuted in argument? 
Second, even the poetry is not ‘solid science’! 
Third, Iqbal also said Sare Jahan Se Accha Hindustan Hamara. What Kind of Pakistani thinks his opinion on Hindustan should be considered a source of authenticity?
Fourth, it is not his poetry which is amusing, it is YOUR position based on this which is the constant source of amusement.
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Third, Iqbal also said Sare Jahan Se Accha Hindustan Hamara. What Kind of Pakistani thinks his opinion on Hindustan should be considered a source of authenticity?
Holy ****! Are you kidding me?! Dude, walk away. Seriously how goddamn obtuse can you get?! You just have to argue for the sake of arguing. What a tosser!
When its runny and not even funny, diarrhea diarrhea*!
*verbal diarrhea
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Holy ****! Are you kidding me?! Dude, walk away. Seriously how goddamn obtuse can you get?! You just have to argue for the sake of arguing. What a tosser!
When its runny and not even funny, diarrhea diarrhea*!
*verbal diarrhea
Thank you for diagnosing your disease yourself.
I take that statement of mine was the killer argument of all. No answer. :D
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Now that we have seen 30+ years of death and destruction from these mullahs, it's time we force them out of every segment of our society and don't let them in until they become civilized again.
They have done jihad for CIA, they have killed thousands of people and have been used as a justification by western militaries to kill countless people in Muslim countries. They have made Islam the most hated religion in the world and Pakistan one of the least respected countries.
Do you think it's possible to do reduce influence of mullah's ideology in Pakistan? It was quite easy to create the ideology of intolerance and hate and promote it in the 70s and 80s so there must be an equally easy way to undo that. There must be some counter ideology that can be promoted.
What do you people think?
First you need to look at your own analysis. How many of last 30 years were ruled by "mullahs"? Lets see what your answer is then we can talk.
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You sure got me there Chief!
You just wrote off Allama Iqbal. You know that right?
I pity the foo’!
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^ thanku gidsa
Yar its not a ‘debate’ (or what you imagine debates are anyway). You dont think Allama Iqbal’s opinion shouldnt be considered a source of ‘authenticity’. That is probably not what most patriotic Pakistanies think, who regard Allama Iqbal as one of the most significant Muslim thinker on religion and politics produced by south asia, and certainly very relevant to how Pakistanies think about these topics.
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I do not think you (or our respected friend who suffers from VD) understood what I said in third and fourth statements.
Combined those two means, he is not the one to be questioned here. It is the interpretation where the problem lies.
He also said: Yeh Msalman Hain Jinhein Dekh Ke Sharmayen Yahood. Read his Jawab e shikwah part also for God sake my friend. Full of these kind of poetry.
Does that mean ALL muslims are bad?
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i havent said anything at all in this thread, except quote Allama Iqbal. If you arent questioning him, and you cant question anything else I said (because thats all I said) what are you doing?
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with respect to the edited part of your post, the thread is concerned with Mullahs, not Muslims or religion in general :). and what is your interpretation of "Din-e-Mullah fee sabilillah fasad"
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There was no other reason for you to negate my position in terms of the topic of thread. And who does not know your position and what you mean by your signature. 
So before you say I never said anything again, do you agree with my position so far about the topic and mullahs as I HAVE said something here if not you.
If yes, then no further discussion.
BTW: I only gave example of muslims to say no generalization should be made on his poetry. 
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sorry to disillusion you but you shouldnt be so self centered. i stated my point of view on the topic, i dont know what you had said prior to that, nor do I want to scroll back to look. if it is relevant to what I said, please do so.
and this generalization nonsense is such a lame argument. nobody, not Iqbal, nor I said that every single Mulla in the world fits Iqbal's characterization. it is usually known that everyday language includes caveats and exceptions as understood. He is speaking of Mullas as a class, as an archtype, as am I, as is presumably the OP.
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sorry to disillusion you but you shouldnt be so self centered. i stated my point of view on the topic, i dont know what you had said prior to that, nor do I want to scroll back to look. if it is relevant to what I said, please do so.
and this generalization nonsense is such a lame argument. nobody, not Iqbal,** nor I said that every single Mulla in the world fits Iqbal's characterization.** it is usually known that everyday language includes caveats and exceptions as understood. He is speaking of Mullas as a class, as an archtype, as am I, as is presumably the OP.
Huh? It is the minority of minority which fits his characterization. You agree?
You cannot scroll back because you are afraid of being asked to agree or disagree with what I said earlier.:p
And you did not read my posts earlier. OK. Fine.
Rest of your post has been answered.
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there is secret society of "mullahs" running the country indirectly yes? conspiracy theorist the op is.
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Huh? It is the minority of minority which fits his characterization. You agree?
Nope. The way language works is, if you're talking about a class of people, you are talking about the median entity. A typical specimen. A 'minority of minority' is not typical.
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There we go again.
Statistics as the solid science. Duniya Gol Hai. 
Would you talk sense once my friend. OR you have some kind of ‘authentic solid proof’ as statistical ‘survey’ telling you, what kind of mullahs belong to median?
Let’s see that. 
Before you ask me the same. All you need is to look around. I do not have to provide any proof these kind of mullahs are minority of minority. The lower end of the curve.
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what kind of Mullahs belong to the median? the kind of Mullahs Iqbal is talking about ofcourse :)
Lets stick to the topic. Its clear that when someone speaks about a class of people, he is talking about the typical specimen, NOT an anomalous example (which would be the 'minority of minority'). Iqbal spoke of the typical mullah in this quote.
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what kind of Mullahs belong to the median? the kind of Mullahs Iqbal is talking about ofcourse :)
Lets stick to the topic. Its clear that when someone speaks about a class of people, he is talking about the typical specimen, NOT an anomalous example (which would be the 'minority of minority'). Iqbal spoke of the typical mullah in this quote.
That is why I said you have wrong idea of his poetry. He is against those minority jaahil and fake mullahs which I do not deny.
If you are using his poetry to bash minority then its fine, but to say these kind of mullahs belong to median then you have some serious problem. Very serious.
You have not answered yet of his shayr on Hindustan. There was a hint there.
Also the complete shayr was:
Deen e kafir fikr o tadbeer e jahad
Deen e mulla fi sabeelillah fasaad
Do you agree with first part also?