How to deal with Suicide Bombers and similar Fisadies

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The situation what we have in Pakistan is really sad. These people who are killing innocents in the name of Islam are not Muslim and I think a new legislation is needed in Pakistan where all those who believe on certain things should not be allowed to declared themselves Muslim. The things that Pakistan should make obligatory for a Muslim to believe:

  1. Suicide of any type, including suicide bombing, be that against Muslims or non-Muslims.
  2. Use any type of force in the name of Islam, to implement Islam or victimise anyone in the name of Islam, including non-Muslims.
  3. Doing Takfeer … that is calling anyone non-Muslim who declares that they are Muslim.

If anyone (Mullah or whoever) applies for ID card, Passport, bank account or whatever, he/she should declare that they do not believe on above (with oath). If anyone declines to declare their belief on above, than these people should not be allowed to use Islam as their religion on all official documents and should not be allowed to go for Hajj. These people should not be allowed to use official marriage documents used for Muslims nor should they be able to register as Muslim at any official places. They should be banned from leading prayers, being Muazzin or teaching Islam privately, in Mosques, in schools, or at any Madrasa. Well, if they want to, they can leave religion column empty or declare themselves whatever they want, including Khawrjee. I think that if government would do that, not only most sectarian violence in Pakistan would end but all suicide bombing would end too. I think that such legislation is also required urgently to save Islam from distortion by these Fisadies.

Reasons behind legislation: Islamic reasons for not recognising a person as Muslim.

  1. Suicide of any type, including suicide bombing, be that against Muslims or non-Muslims.
    Allah has made Suicide haram for Muslims. It is forbidden, so if a person believes on suicide than that person cannot be Muslim.

  2. Use any type of force in the name of Islam, to implement Islam or victimise anyone in the name of Islam, including non-Muslims.
    Allah forbids force in religion. Anyone who uses force in religion cannot be Muslim.

  3. Doing Takfeer … that is calling anyone non-Muslim who declares that they are Muslim.
    Only Allah knows what is in the heart of a person and a Muslim respect what other declares about themselves. Anyone who does takfeer judges beliefs of others and thus tries to become God (Allah), what a Muslim cannot do, hence such person could not be Muslim.

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Yeah a guy who is about to blow himself up really cares about such restrictions like not going to hajj and not getting the marriage certificate.

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This is a nonstarter. If you want to deal with brutality you have to be cruel & even more brutal. That is why there should be a state policy that suicide bomber's close relatives would pay for murderers crime (thats more or less is in line with idea of justice under Islamic system), and that his entire family would be put on trial & if convicted they would be executed. I know it sounds cruel, but there is no effective strategy to deal with homicidal killers, nor are there any incentives that would prevent them for killing others & reaching haven on fast track.

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Well, most blow themselves thinking they are doing Islamic duty. But when they will find themselves barred from calling themselves Muslim, they would think and would question. Then they would learn the truth that they are misguided. If they would know that they are misguided, they would stop doing all the Fisads they are involved.

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I totally agree, and adding more to above, their Properties should be seized their men should be executed and their women and children should be taken into custody or sent to exile.

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These people are misguided and have turned into Animals. It is no point to become animal when dealing with animals.

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I wouldn't call them animals...they're barbarians & to deal with barbarians you have to be even more barbaric. There is simply no other way....

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You are missing the point. Problem is not that they are barbarians. Problem is not even economic, education, employment, or lack of information amongst Fisadis. Problem is belief and misguided cult religion. People who do suicide does not do it because of lack of money, education, employment or information ... they are misguided and brainwashed by people following cult Shaitanic religion. These people who do suicide think that they are doing something Islamic and are going to Jannah.

Just imagine that those who are doing suicide bombing, they get plenty of plastic explosives or other type of expensive explosives that ordinary people could not even get. This shows their excess to resources. Sometime they even use car for the purpose. Most of the time, rather almost always, even family of suicide bombers do not know about them intending to do suicide. On the other hand, if a person does suicide because of economical reasons than it is not suicide bombing but it would be killing oneself without harming unknown others. So, you can see that economical reasons are not behind suicide bombing.

Education is not problem for them because these people come from Madrasas where they get educated and brainwashed. Here also, finance is not problem as in madrasas, if they are poor than they get food and clothing. Actually, money is no problem for followers of Shaitanic cult, as they are doing job of Shaitan and Shaitan take care of their needs.

Information for them is also not problem as those who brainwash them, they are suppose to be educated and should have information, so if information was the cause than those who have information would not be teaching and brainwashing kids to do suicide bombing.

Employment is also not problem as many in Pakistan are unemployed and if anyone would do suicide because of unemployment than they would not blow innocent others but it would be suicide full of depression, where person kills oneself without harming others.

So, problem is Shaitanic cult religion and followers of this religion. They think they believe on Allah but in reality, Shaitan is making them worship himself in the name of Allah, where suicide is done to please their God (Master Iblees) who they believe would love their suicide. They also spread fitna, fisad, hate and discord in society. These people following Shaitanic cult are not just living in FATA or NWFP, but all over Pakistan and other Muslim countries. They belong to all walks of life. Many are rich merchants and in high government jobs and I would not be surprised if some are in Parliament too. These people live in society along with their Shaitanic beliefs as (suppose to be) respectable citizens, calling themselves Muslims and many even have scholar status. They support this cult religion in every way, including giving them money, protection of government to providing them every sort of resources. They are so engraved in Islamic society that if we look around we might find many we know amongst our friends and family members, who could be part of this Shaitanic cult, trying to influencing us or other family members and friends. There are army of teacher in Pakistan and in many other Muslim countries preaching this Shaitanic cult in the name of Islam, who brainwash suicide bombers and find plenty of resources (money and gratitude) given to them by other followers of shaitanic cult within the society.

This has to change. This army of teachers and their supporters spread in society like cancer has to get targeted and it can be done by openly declaring them as non-Muslim and their beliefs as non-Muslim beliefs. Once we would cut this army of teachers and their rich supporters from Islam, this fisad would stop.

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Look one thing you lot forget is that the people do not support the suicide bombings, but they are sympathetic to the cause of the suicide bombers. Your average person on the street says and thinks "suicide is haram, but these guys....err...yeah its iffy."

You do realize the US has a similar policy as you suggested Saleem and it didn't stop any of the attacks on Sept 11th. So your theory has failed in practice.

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I think what they really need is legislation targetted at the terrorist gorups as well as their sympathisers. Material support of terrorist groups, political supports of terrorists groups, promoting terrorists groups should all be banned and made a crime. Right now, these groups have too many openly supporting people in media, on Tv and news papers, Masjids and political parties. Pakistan needs legislation against these support groups in order to isolate and attack the terrorists.

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So basically you are asking for a legislation along the lines where Ahmadis were declared kafir? :konfused: Sure, plant more seeds of division.

What Pakistan really needs is true law enforcement and honest/sincere justice system. In absence of these two no matter what law/constitution you pass they are all going to trash-can, waste of time and paper they’ll be printed on.

Pakistan needs a fatwa brigade who’ll issue fatwas against “suicide bombing” like activities, those fatwas need to be propagated through media, print and masajid.

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what authority does state of pakistan have to enforce these rules? you need to a lot deeper than this to deal with suicide bombings...

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Don't call them "suicide bombers" but "homicide bombers".

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Did you ever track when exactly did the suicide bombings start in Pakistan? Did you ever think what happened exactly that started the suicide bombings?

Blowing oneself is never easy so why did someone start doing that? Before you jump to any conclusion and start cursing me, let me clarify that I'm not defending them, I hate them. But to resolve a problem you must know the roots of problem first. Otherwise you'll keep on banging your head on the wall and wont find the door of exit.

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Well, I don't really disagree with what you're saying. All I'm saying is that there is no way to prevent homicidal terrorists, and even putting murderers family on trial may not help, but, hey, we got to try. At least, if people know that if they kill innocent people & die in process, their family members will pay for their crimes. That will be a deterrent against terrorists, but I would even go 1 step further & execute the family members on live tv. As I said, brutally must be met by brutality or we will never win this war.

BTW, here is an idea. Those suicidal terrorists arrested let us put suicide vests back on them & take them to safe area & blow them up with remote detonator....& should also be done on live tv, too. They wanted to die & they should get their wish & it will also send signal to wanna be future terrorists that this can happen to them too.

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^ yes amazing these people think they can somehow better the bombers.

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I just have a simple question. Put jihad aside or the motives or passion of these suicide bombers. But is suicide not haraam in Islam? So then is trying to achieve or establish an Islamic fundamental via haraam means justified?

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i doubt they understand that. logic fails here and we yet have to deal with the problem in an effective manner. letting americans loose on them is far from reasonable in this case.

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People justify whatever they want with examples in past minus the context.