How to curb sectarianism in the country?

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We CAN'T.

The fact of the matter is, all 72 sects of Islam have differences. Our ulema/scholars need to sit together and resolve differences.
Let me break it down.

Sunnis believe that Prophet (PBUH) is alive in HIS roza mobarak.
Wahabis believe that it's haraam to say "Ya Mohammad".
Shias believe that Hazrat Ali (R.A) is the first Caliph.
Deobandis believe that Shias are kafir.

Till the time we don't resolve differences among our main sects, peace can't be restored in Pakistan.

How can shias openly abuse Sahaba (R.A) and get away with it?
How can sunnis openly abuse Khomeini and get away with it?

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:hat:

Zindagi main pahli aur akhri dafa kissi nay mairi aajizana tajweez ko siraha :teary2:

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Good post Saleem :k: Short and sweet. Keep 'em that way.

This is the only solution. Every other solution that keeps exceptions for some marginalized group or the other is never going to work. Sadly, I don’t see Pakistanis accepting it any time soon.

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Leave aside Pakistan for a minute. How do you explain and justify sectarianism on this board? Members who indulge in sectarianism on this board are not the final product of some Saudi funded madarrassas. They are not the official members of a banned terrorist organisation. Heck 99.9% of them don't even live in Pakistan and haven't visited Pakistan for decade or so. Therefore the chances of claiming social exclusion on basis of religious differences is nil plus the whole excuse of poverty = extremism doesn't really apply to them along with many other factors. So what on earth makes these people indulge and take pleasure in sectarianism? Living in all peaceful, secular and lovely West, why would members on this board pick and choose the type of violence they support in Pakistan? Why would they choose to personalise terrorism A to make it look bit more acceptable and justified than terrorism B? The Pindi madarrasa attack thread is quite an eye opener.

I agree with every single suggestion that has been posted in this thread, but half of the people who are showing so much concern and goodwill in this thread are the same usual suspects who in two months time will wreck havoc in all Milaad threads with their copying and pasting of some silly online fatwas from a facebook Sheikh to deicide which type of Muslim is a real follower of Islam. Who cares? 72 sects is a reality, you were told about this 1400 years ago. How about accepting there differences and moving on?

There's always an ongoing debate somewhere on this board establishing how silly old Pakistanis are not proper Muslims coz they don't walk talk live breathe and look like Arabs...Astaghfirullah Pakistanis wear peela jora on their menhdis, do Hindu rasams like doodh pilai jhoota chupai (naaa bruvvv) and their qoumi libaas is shwlaar kameez (whatttt? definitely not real Muslimzzz). Yes this is it! You'll get rid of sectarianism the day Muslims stop policing others in the name of Islam. The only way to do this when parents stop feeding their kids all sorts of fasaadi nonsense and preaching differences - instead of unity - that too in the name of Islam.

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Anyway. Coming back to Pakistan now. Stop Saudia Arabia from funding madaraasas and religious schools. If they really wanna splash some of their hard earned oil money on us poor Pakistanis, then they are more than welcome to directly consult the government and invest that money into our health care and infrastructure.

  • Bring all madarassas under state control with regulated curriculum and with appointed teachers who have gone through strict security checks. In the meantime, build more schools.

  • All terrorists must be persecuted in military courts. They should have no contact with civil offices.

  • Scarp blasphemy law and pass some serious anti racist and hate speech legislation. If you can lose your job in the UK for calling someone a 'Paki' even as a joke then surely people in Pakistan should also be ready to face court cases and hefty fines for calling someone a khareeji/kafir and insulting revered religious figures; or making false allegations to stir up a certain sect. Good for you if you'd studied history and picked up a nice little buzz word, but Europeans don't go around calling every right winger a Nazi just because they know a thing or two about WWII.

  • Conclude this bloody war and work on industrialising the country, create employment opportunities. Economic stability and social peace go hand in hand. Poverty and social exclusion are always the leading factors behind stirring riots and hate crimes. Work towards reducing the widening class gap.

  • Revive the justice system. Build more and more county and special courts to deal with hate speech.

  • Upgrade police training, manpower and resources. For goodness sake, enough of being a typical third world military state. Time to focus on building civil institutions and effective police force. European football grounds would turn into battlefield and bloodbath every weekend if isn't for huge number of fully equipped police officers doing stewarding duties both within and outside the stadium.

  • Other than azaan, no sound or noise should come out of a masjid through loudspeakers.

  • Only so many procession routes must be allowed in one particular area and all routes must be thoroughly reviewed by the local council. Also it should be the authorities who decide at which particular spot the procession may stop. Breach of this agreement should result in procession rights being curbed for the next year.

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If we see around us the sectarianism has completely destroyed Muslim countries, it's up to us if we want to take that failed path.

Pakistan is a resilient country, I am still hopeful we can rise from the ashes. One thing that can destroy the social fabric of Pakistan is sectarianism.

I have full faith that the people (as our history suggests) would foil any attempts to push the country down a deadly path.

We can play our role in shunning sectarianism and convincing others not to go through this path.

It's a deadly and steep slope, and believe you me I have not read anywhere that a person belonging to a particular sect is a Muslim. Follow the basics of the religion an leave the rest to the almighty, he is the best of deciders.

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tumharay piromurshid mardoodZia-ul-Haq ne is constitution ki ma behan kar di thi. par shayad tum peda nahin howay thay.

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the government should put together itself and start behaving like a government and treat everyone equally regardless of their status, sect, beliefs etc

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This.

Pakistan cannot curb this unless there is strong resistance to saudia and Iran to stop funding as well as aggressing efforts to:

1) educate the masses and carry out social reforms
2) Rule of law must be implemented so that culprits fear it. (Example, Mumtaz Quadri)
3) Countrywide awareness campaign by Ulema & Govt to preach harmony.

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Pakistanis pushing back against killing in God’s name | The AfPak Channel

Hope. It’s certainly not the first word that comes to mind when contemplating present-day Pakistan. This is, after all, a nation convulsed by terrorism, corruption, poverty, natural resource shortages, economic distress, public health crises, and educational failures.

In recent years, when faced with these immense challenges, Islamabad has dithered. Ultimately, it’s offered more shrugs than solutions. Take, for instance, Pakistan’s new president, Mamnoon Hussain. In a speech on October 20, he admitted that the country “is in such a bad state that it cannot get any worse.” Not really inspiring, is it?

It’s especially hard to muster any hope that Pakistan’s spiraling sectarian strife – which killed more than twice as many people last year as it did in 2011 – will end anytime soon. Pakistani public opinion demonstrates considerable support for the underlying views of sectarian militants (in recent polls, 41 percent and 60 percent, respectively, said Shi’as and Ahmadis aren’t Muslims), even if not for the violent means used to express them. Additionally, sectarianism is institutionalized in Pakistan; its second constitutional amendment explicitly brands Ahmadis as non-Muslims (Ahmadis are members of a minority Muslim sect that many Pakistanis regard as heretics for believing there was a prophet after Muhammad). Pakistan has few laws that protect religious minorities, and it rarely arrests, much less prosecutes, perpetrators of sectarian violence.

In effect, deep fractures are steadily gnawing away at Pakistan’s social fabric – and could one day pose an existential threat to the state. If left unaddressed, these violently demarcated cleavages could trigger a Balkanization of sorts.

Yet here is where the narrative changes. The heroic feats of three Pakistanis – virtual unknowns outside their country – give reason to believe that such a descent isn’t necessarily inevitable. These are Pakistanis who not only deplore sectarianism, but have also taken dramatic steps to combat it (one of them lost his life for his efforts). Most critically, their countrymen have supported them.

Zahid Iqbal

On the outskirts of Islamabad stands an extraordinary structure: Pakistan’s first sect-free mosque. Zahid Iqbal is the businessman behind it. “We don’t belong with any sect of Islam,” he told the Associated Press this summer. “We only belong to Islam.”

The mosque’s main prayer hall can accommodate 350 people. It also holds an inter-sect religious library, and will soon open a women’s section. A welcoming sign proclaims a message of tolerance: “This mosque does not discriminate between any sects and welcomes all Muslims.”

Iqbal has dispatched mosque officials to other mosques, where they preach messages of tolerance and unity. He told me that he eventually plans to establish branches of the mosque elsewhere in Pakistan. “To me, Islam means Mercy, that is to do good to others,” he said in an email. “So, through this mosque I am trying to live up to this message of Islam.”

Jibran Nasir

In early October, soon after more than 100 Christians were killed in an attack on their church in Peshawar, Christians and Muslims formed human chains around churches in several major Pakistani cities. Participants included muftis, Christian clergy, women, and children, and they displayed banners that proclaimed: “One Nation, One Blood.”

This campaign was led by Jibran Nasir, a Pakistani lawyer and activist who works for an organization called Pakistan for All. “The terrorists showed us what they do on Sundays,” he declared at an event in Lahore. “Here we are showing them what we do on Sundays. We unite.” The intention, he told me, is “to send out a message that every house of God whether a church, temple or synagogue is as sacred as a mosque and hence protection of these places of worship is the responsibility of every Muslim.” He says he was inspired by the human chains formed by Muslims to protect Coptic Christians praying in Egypt, another nation where religious minorities are often persecuted and attacked.

Nasir, who has also organized assistance for Shi’a victims of sectarian attacks, recently ran as an independent for a National Assembly seat representing Karachi. In official campaign videos and media interviews, he constantly condemned sectarianism. He also campaigned for Ahmadi rights – a nearly unfathomable cause for Pakistani politicians to take up. Ultimately, he wasn’t elected, but he vows to run again.

Ghulam Mustafa

Last August, extremists boarded a bus in Balochistan and killed more than a dozen Shi’as. They also gunned down Ghulam Mustafa, a Sunni passenger who dared to confront them. “Why are you doing this?” the 19-year-old student reportedly said to the gunmen. “Why do you want to kill these people? Islam doesn’t allow the killing of innocent people.” Shortly thereafter, Mustafa was led to the side of the road and executed alongside the Shi’a bus riders.

While these three young men have fought sectarianism directly, they have also had supporting casts – the staff that run Iqbal’s mosque and guide its worshipers; the participants in Nasir’s human chain campaign; and several other Sunni bus riders who, like Mustafa, refused to identify Shi’a passengers (according to one media account, two other Sunnis died along with Mustafa).

Such support extends across Pakistan more broadly as well. Iqbal told me that his mosque has not received a single threat, and that the overall response has been “encouraging and supportive.” Meanwhile, Nasir told me that his advocacy has generated ample support from numerous religious scholars. He has also revealed that three major political parties invited him to join their ranks – and continued to offer advice and support even after he declined.

Clearly, sectarian tolerance has a constituency in Pakistan. To be sure, it’s a relatively small constituency, but it is one worth highlighting. Pakistan is burdened by such acute privation that many suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. The most desperate have set themselves on fire and hurled themselves in front of oncoming trains. Others redress grievances by resorting to violence. The efforts of Iqbal, Nasir, and Mustafa represent a very different type of response to the country’s hardships – yet it is one that shouldn’t come as a surprise to even the most casual observer of Pakistani society.

This is because Pakistanis are famously resilient. Communities devastated by catastrophic natural disasters immediately stage fundraising drives for the displaced; doctors threatened with bodily harm by their own patients steadfastly return to work at overcrowded hospitals; and households weather electricity shortages by fashioning crude energy-generating devices from discarded appliances.

In recent months, commentators have suggested that Pakistanis are becoming even more resourceful and entrepreneurial – just as they point to how civil society is growing more vibrant, private media more pugnacious, and courts more assertive. Additionally, decentralization reforms are devolving power long hogged by the political center and military – hastening the country’s democratization.

In effect, the heroic efforts of Iqbal, Nasir, and the late Mustafa reflect a broader phenomenon sweeping Pakistan – one of incremental change for the better across society and politics.

Despite such progress, Pakistan’s global image remains ugly – even as it has been somewhat softened in recent months by the likes of education advocate Malala Yousafzai and Oscar-winning filmmaker Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy. That’s a pity, and it obscures a powerful message: There’s still hope for Pakistan, angry warts and all.

Michael Kugelman is the senior program associate for South Asia at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, D.C. He can be reached via email at [email protected] or on Twitter @michaelkugelman.

ﷲ جی کا کام اُن پر چھوڑ دیا جاے. اُن سے بہتر کوی نہیں جانتا کون مسلم کون کافر.

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[li]Stop use of loud speakers[/li][li]very strict punishment for all who use inflammatory speeches/books/literature against sahabah:razi: ahl e bayt:razi: and awliya rehmatullah alih.[/li][li]Ban all such processions or take them outside the cities like tablighe ijtimah[/li][li] ban all ijtimah altogether then include every sect and group including the peaceful tehreek of tablighs ijtimas to be equal.[/li][/quote]

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That’s should be enough to purge the society of sectarian criminality.

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Whats your solution to tackle the issue?

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Blasphemy law is grossly misused. I think most of the things we are talking here already exist as law, but implementation if definitely a problem.

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Because it is more or less problem like the one between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland.

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Well Pakistanies are still learning the lessons of tolerance and non-violence!

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Backwards? More like ahead of the pack. I can't recall a discussion or conversation I've had where I thought to myself..."hey...I couldn't say that in Pakistan". I think we endure free speech more than we practice it. So if we see curtailing free speech even further as a means of avoiding the absolute evil of sectarian strife, then it's certainly an option on the table. I don't think anyone will mind except those who want to spew hate.

On the contrary, knee-jerk invocation of such "freedom" when it comes time to fighting sectarian strife seems rather adolescent.

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Shiite processions are not banned in Pakistan. But they should be banned, including Sunni processions as well. Raiwind Ijtima could be cited as one good example of taking the whole thing out of the city which is a relief not only for the civic life inside the city, but also for law enforcers to better manage the gathering. Shiites processions could also be arranged in this way. I think a uniform law applicable across the board is the best solution for religious, sectarian and societal harmony.

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How to curb sectarianism? Include everything under blasphemy, no hate literature allowed, no takfir allowed, no cursing of any religious figure allowed, ... BUT the blasphemy should be "provable", if not provable then the accuser will be punished by blasphemy laws.

No outside loudspeaker allowed, only for adhan... strictly for adhan, nothing else.

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They all want rallies, they all want marches, they all want the biggest beard, they all want to go hajj as much as possible, they all want to say salam and the arabic praises. Very few want to help people, very few want success for others, very few feel happy for others.

Inward spirituality and a clean heart have disappeared. People cant see inside a humans mind and heart so they cant judge them. Although, we can display the outward virtues to look pious to the community.