We have people who look up to either Saudia or Iran as their role models and torch bearers of that certain ideology. It natural for our people to look up to them for moral, political, spiritual and financial support.
Time and again its proved that no outsider is on our side. each one got vested interests. Its time we decide what are own interests leaving blame game aside. We are not that happening people that everyone is doing conspiracies against us.
You want to stop sectarian thoughts, teach your kids that everybody is equal and everybody has the same basic rights. An essential element of a democracy.
a fairly significant number of people even on this forum will not agree to such secular ideology if you spell out the details of what this simple yet powerful idea involves. just look at what happened to forum shaheed southie jee.
Serious dialogue needs to take place from the leaders of all the sects and they need to stand together to condemn this menace. Interfaith activity also needs to be promoted throughout the country by the leading religious groups or communities.
a fairly significant number of people even on this forum will not agree to such secular ideology if you spell out the details of what this simple yet powerful idea involves. just look at what happened to forum shaheed southie jee.
Secular thought to make mockery of people's faith will only worsen the situation. If secular thought is applied to accommodate and respect all faiths, you will find many to support that. The solution of religious intolerance is not in exterminating religions, but linking people related to different religions and faiths.
Its not that people hate being secular and why should they hate when this has been practiced by their forefathers for centuries. The liberal lot need to change their mindset and stop portraying people's faith in bad light or blaming ones faith as root cause of all the problems.
Talk about solution from within. Our blaming of outsiders have never proved beneficial todate. This approach should also be tackled to reach solutions. If outsiders are involved, we ourselves provide opportunities to them.
I never said its not a local problem...and stopping the funding is also a 'within solution'..... you can't deny the fact that both sides are playing proxy to the outsiders....... and first step is to stop funding...... i believe thats the only source for them to further the agenda ( i hope the shia and sunni militant outfits aren't involved in criminal activities - although they say it happens in khi)...
You have to look at the causes of sectarianism and look below the surface.
MONEY & INFLUENCE is a major factor. Mullahs & Zakirs thrive on rituals, controversy and fear. These rituals are a source of livelihood for many, the religious economy will not let clergy to reduce the sectarian biases. And in times of controversy and fear not only the sunni majority but also shia minority (rather more so) turns to their clergy for help and leadership. These clergy further perpetuate religious differences to gain more MONEY & INFLUENCE. When sunnis go to show solidarity with shias, they find their leaders not talking of intolerance but increasing using religious terms and sentiments. They would tell you the reason for conflict is not intolerance or violence rather it is Yazeed or Banu Ummayya perpetuating these crimes blah blah blah
OUTWARD EXRESSION OF RELIGIOSITY is gaining pace and again i feel it is related to the first factor. Rapidly rising number of conferences, marches, Urs, Dhamal are taking place. The more you hang your religion like a placard around your neck, the more likely you are to arouse differences.
EXTERNAL INFLUENCES play a role doesn't matter how much we would like to beleive otherwise. When you have clergy of the two sects dressing like people of other countries and faking accents of other countries, you know where they come from. Un ka qibla konsa hai. And lately they have been open expressing themselves.
What steps can the government and people do at their own levels to ensure the current explosive situation diffuses and peace can be ensured in the country?
Change constitution. Remove word Islam from constitution of Pakistan. Ban all extremists, ethnic and Islamic parties. Ganja should work immediately and ask NA assembly to pass law in this respect asap. Pakistan doesn't need Islam what mardood Zia-ul-Haq, JI or JUI wanted to implement on the country. What Pakistan needs to day is implementation of laws without discriminating any section of population. Fire judges like CJ Abu Taliban asap.
Change constitution. Remove word Islam from constitution of Pakistan. Ban all extremists, ethnic and Islamic parties. Ganja should work immediately and ask NA assembly to pass law in this respect asap. Pakistan doesn't need Islam what mardood Zia-ul-Haq, JI or JUI wanted to implement on the country. What Pakistan needs to day is implementation of laws without discriminating any section of population. Fire judges like CJ Abu Taliban asap.
Only that daddy bhutto made the previous constitution and outlawed qadianis and gave importance to the molvies...
Nominate a panel of scholars, most reputable, from all notable school of thoughts and make them as a stake holder to all decisions of the state relevant to religious masses, including banning and arresting of specific religious speakers who speak without responsibility, and demolishing of mosques and Imambargas which have been constructed on illegal land and which are proven to spread Fitnah
Just like the parliamentarian, the Imam of every Mosque, Madressah and Imambarga must have a basic graduation and strict actions to be taken against the non compliant
Every mosque, madressah and Imambarga to submit to a panel of selected experts, the contents of the speech which is to be made by the Imam / Mufti / Allama on occasions of Eid, Jummah, Muharram or other religious events, for
approval. Any material deviations from the recorded and approved speech to be
penalized appropriately
Any violations of the above 3 should be tried at the Anti-Terrorism Court
In my opinion, only way to save Pakistan from all sorts of fitna and fasad, is that:
Government do not interfere with people’s religion, keep laws of state and running of state away from religious beliefs and practices, and impose law of the land impartially on all Pakistanis with full force and with zero tolerance, based on human justice system (fortunately, that is Islamic justice system too).
All Pakistanis should understand that they are just '1 out of 180 million' citizen of Pakistan, with equal rights and no privilege over others (in cast, sect, creed, religion or whatever). If anyone gets upset due another person’s social values, or due to someone’s religious beliefs and practices, then that person should put his head under cold water and curse himself or could do suicide at safe place where he could not hurt others. As long as anyone is not interfering with someone physically and directly, no one has any right to interfere with that person, his beliefs and practices, physically or in any way.
What steps can the government and people do at their own levels to ensure the current explosive situation diffuses and peace can be ensured in the country?
State funded high school education should be a must, and avoiding it should become a punishable crime.
Why go for complication when there is a very easy solution as jasos and others suggested.
Stop use of loud speakers, very strict punishment for all who use inflammatory speeches/books/literature against sahabah:razi: ahl e bayt:razi: and awliya rehmatullah alih.
Ban all such processions or take them outside the cities like tablighe ijtimah. or if we need to ban all ijtimah altogether then include every sect and group including the peaceful tehreek of tablighs ijtimas to be equal.
From the points mentioned in this thread so far, I believe if we could infuse tolerance in our kids that could go a long way in how we can play a part on an individual level.
As far as the government is concerned, I agree with those who believe that loud speakers usage should be regulated.
As far as tabarra (against Sahaba or Ahl Bayt) being carried out publicly is concerned also needs to be banned. I personally do not condone this as we should be careful in shunning any of the closest companions and ahl e bayt!
IN addition to this we should also keep in mind we can come to what ever conclusion (based on our schools of thoughts) but in the that its up to Allah to decide who is a Muslim or not.
