How to counter indian air superority?

[Blitzkrieg]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@expatobserver

By whom, your military geniuses? Last three wars were staret by Pakistan.

When you have hindutva nationalist forces like BJP coming into power then don’t be too sure on who will start the war..

[Das_Reich]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@Blitzkrieg

So you think a Pakistani F-7 pilot has better training than a pilot on MKIs (trained with modern airforces on bvr and other doctrines).

I never said that …just mentioned the fact that pak pilots have been better trained in the past but that era is fast coming to an end.
Su-30 can eeven defeat a F-16C/D let alone F-7

[system]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

A plane is only as good as its pilot no?
Still, the new batch of F 16's should help the air force quite a bit...

[system]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@Das Reich

I never said that …just mentioned the fact that pak pilots have been better trained in the past but that era is fast coming to an end.
Su-30 can eeven defeat a F-16C/D let alone F-7

I think there is a little more to training then just equipment… Pakistan has a tradition of creating great pilots, you cant negate that just by inducting modern technology into your training. We already have the head start on pilot training, and we have access to new training methods the same as India does. So I dont see any reason why we should fall behind…

[Das_Reich]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

Pakpatriot,
One of the reasons why the indians had bad training was due to the locally built kiran it was a terrible plane and the Polish Iskra quite rightly the indians are replacing it now.
There is only so much that training can do if the difference in quality of equipment becomes too great the morale suffers.The BVR missiles of today are a lot more accurate today than they were in the 60s and 70s,this gives the IAF a firstlook-firstshoot capability over the pakistani planes.Not only fighter planes but india has over 200 strike planes(mig-27 and jaguars).
Never in the history of PAF has the difference in quality of equipment been so great.
In 1971 we got support from many friendly nations in terms of aircraft and bases it is unlikely that it will happen again.
Add to this the almost 3-1 numerical superority of the IAF and the job of maintaining air-superority over any future battlefield appears to be a daunting prospect indeed.

[expatobserver]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@Blitzkrieg

When you have hindutva nationalist forces like BJP coming into power then don’t be too sure on who will start the war..

You do not understand political dynsmic of India. No government if India can start a war just beause they are Hinudtva wadi. A large number of Indian pols owe their existence to their allegiance to a secular view (e.g. Mulayam, Laloo etc.) Yes I am sure that India will not start a war with Pakistan because Indian Army is subservient to its political masters and unlike Pakistan, do not go off starting war just to justify their existence. Mian reason that pakistan started the threww ears is not because ordinary Pakistani citizen wanted it but that Pak army wanted it.

[Das_Reich]

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please can we just discuss PAF vs IAF

[mo293]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@expatobserver

You do not understand political dynsmic of India. No government if India can start a war just beause they are Hinudtva wadi. A large number of Indian pols owe their existence to their allegiance to a secular view (e.g. Mulayam, Laloo etc.) Yes I am sure that India will not start a war with Pakistan because Indian Army is subservient to its political masters and unlike Pakistan, do not go off starting war just to justify their existence. Mian reason that pakistan started the threww ears is not because ordinary Pakistani citizen wanted it but that Pak army wanted it.

My my!! what else will they teach in Indian schools.

[malhot]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

1. China & India are now on friendly terms
2. USA has agreed to support India as a 'world power'
3. The percapita income is rising at 7-8% pa in India-making the gap between Pak & India bigger.
4. India's economy is almost 10 times bigger than Pakistan - the chances of Pakistan ever catching up to India are near NIL.
5. Pakistan is over stretched, and spending far too much on its armed forces - already there is a huge resentment in the country.
6. Internationally, Pakistan is known as the breeding ground for terrorism - and India is recognised as it's victim.
7. The earthquake-will require massive economic input, and talking of spending money on Air seperority is plainly misplace.

*Unfortunately (or furtunately) for Pakistan - PEACE with India is the only option *

[FrozenFire]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

the best way is to become friends and forget about war and stuff..... neither Pakistan nor India has the capability to destroy eachother completely ... nobody wins in the wars... Wars only leave pains and hatred among people.

it will just take a minute for pakistan to nuke india or a minute for india to nuke Pak, but the diseases that people will be facing will last for centuries...

so guys, please .. * when the power of love overcomes the love of power, thats when we will have real peace in world*

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@malhot

1. China & India are now on friendly terms

@malhot

2. USA has agreed to support India as a ‘world power’

Source?

@malhot

3. The percapita income is rising at 7-8% pa in India-making the gap between Pak & India bigger.

According to the Indian Economic Survey of 2004, compared to the Economic Survey of Pakistan - 2004, Pakistan’s GDP/Capita is higher than India.
Perhaps you should enlighten us on where you are getting your figures from?

@malhot

4. India’s economy is almost 10 times bigger than Pakistan - the chances of Pakistan ever catching up to India are near NIL.

Pakistan’s GDP, as of today stands at $110 billion. India has yet to reach the $1 trillion mark, thus it is impossible for it to be 10 times bigger than Pakistan’s. So, again, I must ask you, where are you getting these figures from?

@malhot

5. Pakistan is over stretched, and spending far too much on its armed forces - already there is a huge resentment in the country.

4.9% of GDP, and going down. That is much less than many of the African & Arab countries, who have better & worse economies than Pakistan.

@malhot

6. Internationally, Pakistan is known as the breeding ground for terrorism - and India
   is recognised as it’s victim.

I won’t even bother replying to that one

@malhot

7. The earthquake-will require massive economic input, and talking of spending money on Air seperority is plainly misplace.

The earthquake hit the parts of the country which were not very industrialized, if any at all. The areas hit were the mostly underdeveloped, and have little effect on the economy. No vital industrial or economical installations have been effected. Had it’ve been in Lahore, or Karachi, things would’ve been different.
All of Pakistan’s economic Hubs and areas are perfectly fine. Our industrial structure remains intact.
There will be building activity in the region and if gov enforces the laws for construction then the buildings will become more expensive. So economic activity after destruction always increases.
Also, reconstruction & rebuilding will creat more jobs in the area.
Not to mention the loads of Foreign Aid coming in, which will help alot too.

The GoP has already mentioned that Pakistan’s Economy can absorb EarthQuake Damage easily, and it will not be the cause of a decrease in GDP growth rate at any time.
Similar things have been said by other foreign & international organizations, IMF being one.

@malhot

**Unfortunately (or furtunately) for Pakistan - PEACE with India is the only option **

Same goes for India.

[Das_Reich]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

We would rather have peace with isreal and recognize isreal.The only people really interested in peace are the actors,singers and traders so they can make more money and sell more records.

[malhot]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

LKC- Hope this helps:hhttp://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.htm

You will realise that India’s economy is almost 10 times bigger than Pakistan’s.!!

Other facts may be compared too-to realise the futility of Pakistan trying to catch up to India.!!!

PEACE is the only way.

[Das_Reich]

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what kind of peace malhot?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@malhot

LKC- Hope this helps:hhttp://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.htm

You will realise that India’s economy is almost 10 times bigger than Pakistan’s.!!

Other facts may be compared too-to realise the futility of Pakistan trying to catch up to India.!!!

PEACE is the only way.

Are you saying that CIA knows more about your country’s statistical figures than your own government itself?
I gave you figures from your Government’s website, and you are giving me figures from CIA’s website. Which do u think is more accurate? Its common sense.

[sac]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@Das Reich

Good Comment, but the plane also has to be compatable with the different kind of avionics and BVR missiles.
But here again the Indians have a substantial superority while no pakistani plane as of now can carry BVR weapons.Almost all indian fighters carry BVR missiles even the old mig-23s.

Can JF-17 carry the new SD-10 BVR chinese missles ?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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^^yes^^

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@antiobl

Pakistan airforce needs F-16, F-15s, Apaches and AWACS. Unfortunately there is no Ayub Khan anymore who can get us the toys. Even though Musharraf is a US ally, our policies are now governed by folks who would rather put on the bangles and grass skirt for doing Hula dance.

PAF doesn’t need F-15s. They are a waste of valuable money for Pakistan.

@Das Reich

Good Comment, but the plane also has to be compatable with the different kind of avionics and BVR missiles.
But here again the Indians have a substantial superority while no pakistani plane as of now can carry BVR weapons.Almost all indian fighters carry BVR missiles even the old mig-23s.

Actually Pakistan already has platforms which can carry BVR missiles, but Pakistan doesn’t have any BVR missiles right now, which is the problem.

[A_Good_Being]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

Are you saying that CIA knows more about your country’s statistical figures than your own government itself?
I gave you figures from your Government’s website, and you are giving me figures from CIA’s website. Which do u think is more accurate? Its common sense.

don’t know what he’d say but it seems to me that the CIA numbers will be more appropriate for this comparison because:

1. an independent 3rd party assessment is bound to be more objective than that of the principals involved

2. It is a better apples to apples comparison, given they’d be using same methods as opposed to distinct methods used by the respective countries

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@A Good Being

don’t know what he’d say but it seems to me that the CIA numbers will be more appropriate for this comparison because:

1. an independent 3rd party assessment is bound to be more objective than that of the principals involved

2. It is a better apples to apples comparison, given they’d be using same methods as opposed to distinct methods used by the respective countries

They maybe good for comparisons, but what good would that be if half the figures are accurate while the other half are not?