You know what? If you are going to discuss segregation, then that's fine. However, if you don't like my actions .. well, too bad. :) Leave me out of this discussion.
Lajawab, I don't appreciate you opening a thread based on my experience. Clearly, it is my own fault for sharing pictures with you people. If you or anybody else have a serious problem with me, then send me a PM rather than passing judgments and insults.
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You know what? If you are going to discuss segregation, then that's fine. However, if you don't like my actions .. well, too bad. :) **Leave me out of this discussion.*
Lajawab, I don't appreciate you opening a thread based on my experience. Clearly, it is my own fault for sharing pictures with you people. If you or anybody else have a serious problem with me, then send me a PM rather than passing judgments and insults.
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Mehnaz, the thread is not about you. I told you I envied you and it would have been better had the instructor been a lady. But there wasn't. It has nothing to do with you...Honest.
A trip to this part of gs always gets my blood pressure running high.
Lajawab.. aapka wakai koi jawab nahin. You turned Mehnaz's innocent funfilled experience into something utterly ridiculous. Gosh it is unbelievable .. how u picked on the point that she had a male instructor.
So you won't allow your wife and daughter to visit male doc .. or to learn swimming under a male instructor eh? In that case may god be with ur poor wife and daughter. I really pity them.
And you are talking about pardah, hijab and hayaa.. tell me how many men(so called true followers of islam like urself here) put their gaze down when a woman(hijabi or non-hijabi) is around? Men refuse to take their gaze away from a woman, but they want her to do pardah.. why?
And u say women cannot make good business decisions? You know something .. you are really funny, you should try your luck as a stand-up comedian. Like Matsui said.. fashion and apparel industry for most part is run by women. And women are making a place for themselves in every field( without any kinda segregation).
Segregation would lead to nothing but more suppression of women at the hands of men. Why women r suffering in the Islamic nations and why their western counterparts are progressing ? Isn't the picture clear enuff?
I think this whole segregation issue is now used as fitna. Its a way to break the unity between muslim nations. Only Allah knows best so if you suffer at hand of a muslim man but you donot lose patience and do somethign against islam then surely Allah’s help will come.It is in Quran at many places and i do hope every one of us believes in quran. I donot want to offend women and believe me i do know that a large population of women is being supressed. However i think you need a different approach to handle the issue. If you are (God forbid) dealing with an abusive maniac then to save your neck you can do something which is not otherwise allowed. On other hand sky diving is not a point of life and death, i know that you didn’t have bad intentions or anything like that, neither am i trying to offend. I will just say that even if you don’t experience sky diving because you think it will bring Allah displeasure then you will earn His approval. On the same note i agree that before correcting others ,men need to check their attitudes as well. I have seen alot of men ogling 
over na mehram women. So please keep in mind that when trying to tell others a good thing try not to offend them.
PS i do hope i didn’t offend anyone, and if i did i assure you it wasn’t my intention.
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Segregation is also security.
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Security from whom ???
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There are many benefits of segregation...
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Please share with us some of them
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Segregation works...
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Depends who you ask. Because, in west there is no segregation and I think west is better than East in so many ways.
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it would have been better had the instructor been a lady. But there wasn't.
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Who are you to decide what is better for others ?? Who gave you the right to decide that ?
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Security from whom ???
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From men like him who can't control their raging hormones.
Men and women equal i dont think so, how can a man and woman be equal when they are different. i.e if a woman goes out flirts around then sleeps around she becomes pregnent but a guy cant, there are many other facts which potray that man and woman are not equal they have different functions and responsibiltites. This does not mean either should be desrespected men and women have different roles ina society.
robby, start thinking of a woman as someone who can do things other than getting pregnant by you. You may wana just talk for a change.
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men and women have different **roles* ina society.
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And those roles are defined by MEN, aren't they ??
u mean to say that for a woman going around flirting, sleeping and getting pregnant is a responsibility?
which society are you from?
Right to be escorted by a Dhu-Mahram
Hadith - Bukhari 3:85, Ibn 'Abbas
The Prophet said, "A woman should not travel except with a Dhu-Mahram (her husband or a man with whom that woman cannot marry at all according to the Islamic jurisprudence), and no man may visit her except in the presence of a Dhu-Mahram*." A man got up and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I intend to go to such and such an army and my wife wants to perform Hajj.” The Prophet said (to him), “Go along with her (to Hajj).” **
*this is referring to lengthy travel; for instance, a trip that exceeds two days time, etc.
** dhu-mahrahm: A male whom a woman can never marry because of close relationship (i.e. brother, father, uncle, etc.) or her own husband.
Hadith - Sahih Muslim, Narrated Abu Hurayrah, R.A.
**“Do not permit your women to travel, except that she has with her a mahram(Dhu mahram).” **
Shaykh Al Albaanee declares it authentic in Saheeh Al Jaami’ vol. 2, no. 7646.
Hadith - Muwatta 20.263
**Malik said, concerning a woman who had never been on hajj, “If she doesn’t have a mahram, or if she has, but he cannot come with her, she does not abandon Allah’s making of the hajj obligatory for her. Let her go in a group of women.” **
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Allah’s word being Supreme!!!
If anybody does not want to accept what Allah has given through His Prophet :saw: than he/she is the one who is losing.
I was impelled to quote these Ahadith because as a Muslim it is our duty to enjoing what is right and forbid what is wrong!!! (Not like the Western style in which nobody says anything in other’s business).
:k:I agree with Islamabad!
I would add that Islam means submission to the will of Allah! Not sumbission to you own desires and your ways of thinking and interpretations! Islam is very clear, but some people try to create confusions!
Great are those who have not seen the Creator and yet accept whatever He reveals and follow Prophet Muhammad:saw:!
Well I never thought I would ever post such things but here you go :-
"To claim that it is un-Islamic for a woman to work is wrong. Some of the Prophet’s women companions had their own work, and he did not object. A woman who was in her waiting period after her husband had died asked the Prophet whether it was permissible for her to supervise the work in her farm. Some of her relatives objected to her doing this. The Prophet told her to attend to her work, adding:* “You may have a chance to give something in charity or do some other good.” If a man is married to an educated woman who has a good job, or to a skilled woman who does some skillful work, like dress making, farming, or some handicraft, it may be highly beneficial to the family if she continues with her work, even though the income is not of paramount importance."** *
I forgot to add one more thing. I do not agree with what Lajawab said about women not making good business decisions. This is not true at all. A great example would be of Khadija 
who had her own business and she ran it succesfully.
Every job is fine as long as it is within the guidelines of Shariah!
Man…
I am heart-broken you don’t agree with me…
j/k
Sorry if i broke your heart:)