how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

[hypnotix-2000]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

@USResident

The state would still appoint someone to be a guardian or foster parent if possible. And widows would still want to be married or does being in peaceful times take away their urge to have a sexual life if they have no economic problem (state welfare).

USR, meray pyaray bhai. There would not be an overwhelming influx of widows and orphans under normal circumstances (peaceful and fluorishing times to be exact) so why would a widow want to marry an already married man??? Wouldn't there be men who have lost their wives for any particular reason? Why this urge to pair a widowed woman with a married man? Do you now see what I am saying?

[meherealone]

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@hypnotix-2000

USR, meray pyaray bhai. There would not be an overwhelming influx of widows and orphans under normal circumstances (peaceful and fluorishing times to be exact) so why would a widow want to marry an already married man??? Wouldn't there be men who have lost their wives for any particular reason? Why this urge to pair a widowed woman with a married man? Do you now see what I am saying?

this is called as PANI PAY MADHANI

[USResident]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

@hypnotix-2000

USR, meray pyaray bhai. There would not be an overwhelming influx of widows and orphans under normal circumstances (peaceful and fluorishing times to be exact) so why would a widow want to marry an already married man??? Wouldn't there be men who have lost their wives for any particular reason? Why this urge to pair a widowed woman with a married man? Do you now see what I am saying?

Yaar aap ne to meri post ka maza kirkira kar diya. When did I say that widows can only marry married men. Yes widows would probably be better of with widowers and I agree that there would not be an unusual influx of orphans and widows in peace times. I think we are both in agreement with each other just that there is no absoluteness in verse 4:3 being linked to only and only war time. Do you agree with that?

[PyariCgudia]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

There is no hard-core explicit link, but "unjustice to orphans" that needs a Quranic ayah to address it and perscribe marriage as a solution could only possibly referring to times of extreme stress.

[hypnotix-2000]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

@PCG

There is no hard-core explicit link, but “unjustice to orphans” that needs a Quranic ayah to address it and perscribe marriage as a solution could only possibly referring to times of extreme stress.

Agreed!

@USResident

Yaar aap ne to meri post ka maza kirkira kar diya. When did I say that widows can only marry married men. Yes widows would probably be better of with widowers and I agree that there would not be an unusual influx of orphans and widows in peace times. I think we are both in agreement with each other just that there is no absoluteness in verse 4:3 being linked to only and only war time. Do you agree with that?

Perhaps we are in a kind of quasi-agreement, which is very good!! So men cannot randomly marry other women if they are already married. If you agree, let’s knock this point out of the equation.

for The God is GREAT!

… Now let’s sift out the disagreement hopefully to a constructive end. What you are implying is that perhaps if the first wife gives her conscent, then it is ok for the man to marry a widowed woman to take on the responsibilities of her children she cannot support. Correct? Hmmm, it is a possibility, however there is an unlikelihood if the first wife can see options (which in fruitful times she probably will,) such as marrying that woman off to another man who may have lost his spouse or entire family.

As well, if it is enough to have conscent, then it should be ok if the wife says she wants to have a second husband from among the widowers and the first husband agrees. The caveat there is that most women are dependant on the man of the house for financial aspects. But then what about women who can support themselves and their own children, and perhaps orphans as well, or men who are unable to support themselves for whatever reason (accident leading to disability of somekind)?

Unless the stand to marry more than one woman (widow) is being taken at a community level for something that cannot be solved alone by the state, where the financially stable married men, to whom a widow would give conscent to marry (and to what I feel the first/original wife would give conscent to as well,)that would be a possibility under the verse as it is stated.

[Vedic_Intellect]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

@meherealone

according to quran , one can't marry a married women , no matter his husband agrees or not so there is totaly no , in this case

Youtherealone, I'm using logic for reasoning, not blindly following what a book says.

[meherealone]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

Youtherealone, I'm using logic for reasoning, not blindly following what a book says.

ok then first prove that book is wrong

[Vedic_Intellect]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

^^ 'its not fair to women', there you go.

[hypnotix-2000]

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^^ 'its not fair to women', there you go.

Don't get me started Ved... it is not unfair. It is interpreted in that manner for sure... Did you know Insaan means the civilian/urbanite pair (male and female)?

[AQ]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

Oh Goodness Gracious me.

Question asked: How many wives is a muslim man allowed?

Answer: 4, only if he can be JUST to all of them otherwise, marry only 1.

End of topic.

[hareem01]

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^ Just want to add....According to some scholars you can only get married again with your first wife's permission.

[decent_Felow]

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yup...right answer :)

[tweety_pie]

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^ Just want to add....According to some scholars you can only get married again with your first wife's permission.

yeah u have to get permission 4rm ure 1st wife, though most often tnan not the wives have no say in this:(:(

[Vedic_Intellect]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

Don't get me started Ved... it is not unfair. It is interpreted in that manner for sure... Did you know Insaan means the civilian/urbanite pair (male and female)?

Whatever other interpretations you have are not the real reason why such rules were made. It was just a common practice back in those days. It was unfair. It should not happen today. It's stupid how we have so many theories trying to defend it. Stupid.

[Vedic_Intellect]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

@Anwaar Qureshi

Oh Goodness Gracious me.

Question asked: How many wives is a muslim man allowed?

Answer: 4, only if he can be JUST to all of them otherwise, marry only 1.

End of topic.

Unfortunately it is not that easy. Your statement “if he can be JUST to all of them” does not make sense. A man cannot have 4 wives and have a healthy romantic relationship with all of them. Women cannot share their men. Again, you might come up with ridiculous theories or explanations trying to justify this ‘rule’. Truth is just that there is no reasonable explanation. Its a stupid unfair unjust practice, thats it.

[tweety_pie]

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Unfortunately it is not that easy. Your statement "if he can be JUST to all of them" does not make sense. A man cannot have 4 wives and have a healthy romantic relationship with all of them. Women cannot share their men. Again, you might come up with ridiculous theories or explanations trying to justify this 'rule'. Truth is just that there is no reasonable explanation. Its a stupid unfair unjust practice, thats it.

i totally agree with u vedic_ intellect

[Aliyish]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

Yaar aap ne to meri post ka maza kirkira kar diya. When did I say that widows can only marry married men. Yes widows would probably be better of with widowers and I agree that there would not be an unusual influx of orphans and widows in peace times. I think we are both in agreement with each other just that there is no absoluteness in verse 4:3 being linked to only and only war time. Do you agree with that?

After readin this I do ,

It is Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 2:

Narrated 'Ursa:

that he asked 'Aisha about the Statement of Allah: 'If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (the captives) that your right hands possess. That will be nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.' (4.3) 'Aisha said, "O my nephew! (This Verse has been revealed in connection with) an orphan girl under the guardianship of her guardian who is attracted by her wealth and beauty and intends to marry her with a Mahr less than what other women of her standard deserve. So they (such guardians) have been forbidden to marry them unless they do justice to them and give them their full Mahr, and they are ordered to marry other women instead of them.

[Tariq_Akhtar]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

@PyariCgudia

The verses might not have a context of war around them, but one must remember that bits and pieces of the Quran were put together out of the order they were revealed in, for one. Secondly, the Quran was revealed in a time of constant warfare, near anarchy and severe corruption. The implications of these verses would be different in present day Darfur vs. Manhattan.

Correct. So many of practices from that period are downright barbaric in present times. Only morons with psedo-nautalgia will want to literally follow such practices. Sad are these people who want to prove HQ is ok with their practice of hitting up on many women. In the process they are demeaning themselves their women and God.

[hypnotix-2000]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

It is funny how we claim that the people who embraced Islam gave up on polytheism, wine, adultry, fornication but would still hold on to polygamy (if it existed from Pre-Islamic times)...

1) Why is it so hard to believe that something changed in the time of the dynasties? Why do we have to hold on to tradition as if it is a hard fact (when almost all of it is claimed to be ORAL)?

2) Why is it that a Sultan could not have taken advantage of a temporal situation as given in the Quran for hard times and turn it into an all-time practice?

3) Why can a similar charade between Henry VIII and Thomas Moor not have happened in the Umayyad era and silenced/covered-up more effectively??

4) Why is it that none of the independent historical records from the early to late 600s CE indicate polygamy as a practice among the Hagaraeans/Saracens/Hanpe/Mohaggarae??

For instance:

[John of Damascus (YaHya bin ManSoor, De haerisibus, C/CI, 64-67 (p. 487):]

This Muhammad, as it has been mentioned, compoased many frivolous tales, to each of which he assigned a name, like the text (graphe) of the Woman, in which **he clearly prescribes the taking of four wives and one thousand concubines, as if it is possible* (story of Zayd is told; cf. Qur'an xxxiii.37). . . . Another is the text of the Camel of God, about which he says that there was a camel from God (story of Salih's camel; cf. Qur'an xci. 11-14, vii. 77). . . . You say that in paradise you will have three rivers fowing with water, wine and milk (cf. Qur'an ii. 25, xviii. 31, xxii. 23). . . . Again, Muhammad mentions the text of the Table. He says that Christ requested from God a table and it was given to him, for God, he says, told him: "I have given to you and those with you an incorruptible table." Again, he mentions the text of the Cow and several other foolish and ludicrous things which, because of their number, I think I should pass over.*

John of Damascus was an Arab Christian from the mid 600s CE, and as you can see he has much negativity about the Quran (he even screws up with regards to the concubine issue which most likely is a blown up story for kings,) HOWEVER, notice that he is AMAZED at taking multiple wives (or concubines)!!

Also, why none of the prophet's ahaadith are mentioned and why does he only quote Quranic chapters AS THE WORD OF MUHAMMAD??

WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU???

Just my thought...

[Tariq_Akhtar]

Re: how many wifes is a muslim allowed?

^ good post .......(I think).Again the point is, muslims have a choice. Either embrace what's appropriate for contemporary civilization and update religious and social practices or run the risk killing it. Stagnant water only becomes poison