How many of you eat Kosher?

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okay so I am assuming that this is not limited to zabeeha and kosher..but I will not kosher ones

my current favs are Nathans, and BallPark Angus.
hebrew national are pretty good as well.
Nathans you can get kosher

Vienna beef has good ones but you have to make sure they dont have pork casing, some of their products do some dont varies by product type. its a local chicago based brand.

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I thought Kosher is only when halal meat is not available. Good points that people made about eating fish/veggies/beans etc instead. I don't do kosher.

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Halal only- even though we live in a place where only 2 desi families live in a 10 mile radius, we have an awesome mosque and several halal places thanks to scores of turkish people here.

If its not available when I travel, I make do with vegetables, lentils etc. But, I would have considered eating at kosher restaurants if it was REALLY hard to find a halal place around where I live, however, I'm pretty sure we'd be vegetarians at home in that case cuz my ammi would not want to buy kosher meat.

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I eat Kosher , but you have to be careful , that one of the ingredient is not alcohol , alcohol is not forbidden in Judaism.

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If you are buying from a Muslim butcher or store and they say it is Halal then you do not have an obligation to go further than that.
If you can smell or see something which smells or looks like pork product then you cannot close your eyes and say that since I am buying from a Muslim business it is fine. If they are deceiving and you cannot tell or feel then they will be responsible on the day of judgment not you.

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I do eat Kosher but it certainly is not a preference.... Its an alternative to halal/zabihah food when its not available.
For example, yes when I go to costco, I often eat the hotdogs from hebrew national. I've done some research on these kosher products and dont found anything that is making these "haram". And yes I agree with Mirch, I do also remain careful with kosher when they sometimes make cakes etc with kosher products alongwith "kosher wine" which is certainly not permissible.

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I think I'm confused, are we talking about Muslims eating Kosher and it being okay?

I thought that when an animal is slaughtered to be halal verses of the Quran were read which I'm guessing would not be read at the time an animal is slaughtered to be Kosher this wouldn't happen so how would that be okay?

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I am going to ask you a couple of questions, and I want you to think. I am not trying to be an arse here, and asking the question for you to think about it.

does Allah allow us to eat meat prepared by ahl-e-kitab?

yes or no.

and..

do you think the jews who were slaughtering cattle during the time of the prophet were reading Quranic verses when slaughtering?

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a related note. If a Muslim slaughters an animal in a non islamic way (like chop the head off or recite a shirkiya kalima or kill the animal by an electric shock) then the meat is no longer halal ... just like that, ahl-e-kitab need to follow the protocols set by their own religion (and those protocols are similar to ours). If they deviate from those protocols then the animal slaughtered by them is no longer halal.

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agreed...the point i was drawing attention to was that it is not quranic verses... even in the time of the prophet.

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Yes that is true. It was never Quranic verses.

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Boom! Good post.

The "ahle-kitab" argument does not hold especially in the west. It was funny back in college all those MSA guys eating McDonalds, bringing up ahle-kitab. :D When Allah has given us so many choices, why do we still have the urge to fight back? Arrogance I tell ya and nothing else.

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I must say i'm really surprised here at the amount of people who eat kosher.

Isn't it the same as eating non-halal meat because, essentially, it IS non-halal? I am not trying to be a know-it-all or anything but am curious to understand the reasoning behind this for my own knowledge. Those of you who do eat kosher, is it with the understanding that it's acceptable in Islam or is it with the understanding that your'e not too bothered either way?

I have been brought up with the understanding that if halal meat is not available, you do not eat meat. My father was on a business trip in a rural area once where halal was not available. He ate french fries for lunch everyday. I guess though it depends on the sense of importance which each individual places on this issue and this is bound to differ.

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There's abundance of halal meat available where we live so there's never been a need for us to look into kosher.

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did he check what type of shortening the french fries were being made in? or what flavoyr enhgancers were added. Lets just say Kosher is definitely better than fries with lard or fries cooked in same grease as.

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French fries at McDonalds are cooked in pork fat or something of that sort. But they are more non halal than kosher I'd say.

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yep I recall a couple of pals of mine who did nto eat burgers at this joint but would order biscuits and gravy since breakfast was also served all day. They gave me grief about it all the time.

later we found out that the gravy was pork based and the biscuits used lard as shortening.

I may have been eating a non zabeeha yet allowed animal, they were enjoying khanzeer.

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Yes he did check and the oil which the fries were cooked in was vegetable oil and the fries were not pre-frozen in beef (or any other type of animal for that matter) tallow. Wer'e all over it. I don't even eat subway because, whilst asking them to change their gloves before making the vege sandwich may seem ok, their previous gloves (laden with pork/ham/etc) have still touched the salads.

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What you're talking about is zabiha...halal and zabiha are two different things.

The people that eat halal eat it with the understanding that it is permissible in Islam to eat kosher...proper kosher...not just meat that was touched by a Jew.

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Question : Can I Eat Meat Slaughtered by Jews and Christians?

Answer : The general ruling is that if an animal is slaughtered by a Muslim, or a genuine Christian or Jew, then it would be halal to consume from it, provided the other two conditions of a valid slaughter are also met, namely the cutting of veins with a sharp tool, and pronouncing the name of Allah Most High. (See: The major Fiqh references)

Allah Most High says:

“Today are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them.” (Surah al-An’am, V. 5)

However, if there is a valid reason to doubt the belief of a particular Christian or Jew, then it will not be allowed to consume the animal slaughtered by them. If one is a Christian or a Jew merely by name, and in reality he is an atheist, then his slaughtered meat would remain unlawful. If a Jew denies the existence of God, he is not really a Jew; hence, his slaughtered meat would be haram. The condition is that the slaughterer is a genuine Christian or Jew, even if that means he does not believe in the Qur’an or considers Sayyiduna Isa (peace be upon him) to be the son of God.

As regards to kosher meat, the fatwa of most contemporary scholars is that it is in itself halal, as such meat fulfils the conditions of a valid slaughter. However, scholars say that Muslims should avoid kosher meat due to the Zionist oppression in Palestine.

In conclusion, the general ruling is of the permissibility of consuming meat slaughtered by a true and genuine Jew. However, if one lives in an area where meat is slaughtered by individuals who are only considered Jews by name, and in reality they deny the existence of God, then the ruling would be otherwise.

And Allah knows best
Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK