every instance, in occupied and intruded Muslim countries?
howcome Saudia Arabia is quiet while each and every occupied and intruded Muslim country is under the misery of national and interational corruption and monopoly? as a consequence, how does this impact local govts and the state of these countries across Asia and Africa?
share your thoughts, if you like.
best,
Dushwari
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the hunger, thirst, scare for life and its safety, torture, law less ness, crimes, indignity, brutality, the polluted lands, water bodies, and air, destroyed infrastructure just to name a few horrible effects - who is to blame for all this and who will get it all right, and when?
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Hello Dushwari,
Saudi Arabia, like every other muslim country is quite unhappy internally due to the tyrannical regime it is under. But they, like many other muslims countries, need the arms and goods of the same western and eastern countries that muslim countries so love to hate. Every muslim country is nothing but a proof that there is no such thing as a religion based-country.
Did you also note that not a single muslim country gives a damn about its own people? whether the rich Saudi Arabia or the poor Bangladesh or the ones in Africa?
regards
Pundit Vikram
Hello Dushwari,
Saudi Arabia, like every other muslim country is quite unhappy internally due to the tyrannical regime it is under. But they, like many other muslims countries, need the arms and goods of the same western and eastern countries that muslim countries so love to hate. Every muslim country is nothing but a proof that there is no such thing as a religion based-country.
Did you also note that not a single muslim country gives a damn about its own people? whether the rich Saudi Arabia or the poor Bangladesh or the ones in Africa?
regards Pundit Vikram
:)........Pundit Ji you forgot India or should I say Hindustan is also a Muslim Country...............and so is Kashmir...........ah yes do not forget Kashmir..:biggthumb
every instance, in occupied and intruded Muslim countries?
howcome Saudia Arabia is quiet while each and every occupied and intruded Muslim country is under the misery of national and interational corruption and monopoly? as a consequence, how does this impact local govts and the state of these countries across Asia and Africa?
share your thoughts, if you like.
best, Dushwari
the big players will always get their big cake. With peace or without.
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muslim countries
sirif nam k
loomery ko sher bulaney lag jao to wo sher nahy byn jayee gy
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who will get it all right,
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no-one
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and when
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when muslims are beaten, nuked and totally sorry!
:)........Pundit Ji you forgot India or should I say Hindustan is also a Muslim Country...............and so is Kashmir...........ah yes do not forget Kashmir..:biggthumb
Hello Sindsagar,
I don't understand your wit. Where did you read India being a muslim country? Also Kashmir is a state, not a country.
Regards
Pundit Vikram
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all your responses folks, bear quite anti-Muslim sentiments or a reality check?
howcome?
every instance, in occupied and intruded Muslim countries?
howcome Saudia Arabia is quiet while each and every occupied and intruded Muslim country is under the misery of national and interational corruption and monopoly? as a consequence, how does this impact local govts and the state of these countries across Asia and Africa?
share your thoughts, if you like.
best, Dushwari
It is indeed very sad state of affairs for the Muslims. The demons that face muslim nations aren't necessarily all external. Most if not all, are internal. I mean we've inherited all the evils of the world over time. You name it, Corruption, indulging in Interest, hypocracy, dictatorialism, and to some extent the most twisted form of democracy.
The leaders of the muslim or more appropriately Arab world namely Saudis, Egyptians are happy with the status quo for the most part as it seems. They're content because they seem to have no problem with the west, the middle or the east and their faults are usually, mostly hushed under the veil of 'Friendship' and that friendship has the fiber of business in its every strand. Whether it's oil or just plain influence.
Muslims cannot thrive and succeed in better governance until and unless they do some self-evaluation, and reconstruct their broken structure, which in many ways is more painful and severe than any 9/11. And it has gone on for way too long now.
External infiltration takes place but only when the recipient is weak and allows for it to take place.
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absolutely true, teggy.
how can this be corrected though?
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A self-dependent system that filters out the corrupt irrelevant of his/her affiliation with the society. A society whose value-system is based on education and critical thinking. An overhaul of the political and socio-economic system is due. With that internal revolution, the country(ies) may face hardship and suffer because old ways are hard to let go but when the new system that is based on merit matures, it will yield its fruits in the form of a new way of life that serves as an equal plainfield for all who qualify.
Its not socialism. It's Controlled Capitalism, that ensures there is no one left behind in the race for capital. Kind of like Social Security System that ensures that even the poorest of the poorest are fed at the end of each day regardless of their input in the society.
Education for all. Which in turn will allow Equal Opportunity for all because people will be selected on merit from top-down. This ensures the faces rotate if they don't work well.
I'm sure, i am missing a lot of necessary points. But these are just what i could think of, from the top of my head.
An example of a rule is Khalifas who worked to serve the public because they felt accountable for their actions to an authority much higher than humans. OR Jinnah, who chose to pay himself Rs. 1/Month as the Governor General of the newly formed Pakistan.
Until we have leaders who are willing to sacrifice all they have to make others' lives better, we will always be victims to an internal Nine Eleven that is suffered by the majority of the poor/developing nations on a daily basis.
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but none of it seems to be followed coherently by a body of people, who know it... they very well know it that the socialist and capitalist models of governance and societal existence in the forms we know, are in fact counter-productive and negatively impact the human societies and have done that for ages.
yet, the mad and blind pursuit of land-amassing and opportunistic manipulations, dioshonest thoughts on international and national levels, have always led people to troubled times sooner than later and yet they dont see the signs of self deception, of cruelty to others, and of stealing rights of others.
each person needs to be in on the benefit of investing in self accountability. if governments are to be, then every govt employee and person in power position has to vow to be just.
that is massive but not impossible a task, no?
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It's not impossible. Just very hard to do, and the temptations are a-many that prevent such Just system. Because there will always be people who will suffer as a result of a Just system that serves the majority, so the powerful minority will make certain things happen which manipulate the opinion and influence large sectors of public in giving up the glimmering hope and settle with the same life, Day in Day out.
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every man and every woman is liable for all this. and at one key level, the most important part is also to acknowledge, what the challanges are, to being a member of an unjust society. and then, how to leverage support to fail those challanges and work through them.
govt leadership, needs to be doing its part and civilians must do their part in keep a check on each other across all segments of the societal interactions, within a national existence.
It is indeed very sad state of affairs for the Muslims. The demons that face muslim nations aren't necessarily all external. Most if not all, are internal. I mean we've inherited all the evils of the world over time. You name it, Corruption, indulging in Interest, hypocracy, dictatorialism, and to some extent the most twisted form of democracy.
Hello Teggy,
if you don't mind I'd like expand this a bit. I promise you that anything I say is NOT based on any deep rotted hatred of muslims (even though I cannot be dishonest and say I am not angry at muslims for a number of reasons).
I think the very concept of a 'muslim' nation is a mistake. If you honestly look at all the 'muslim nations' you find that the turmoil is either
* religious sect vs religious sect and/or
* government vs religious groups
* religious militia vs external force, usually brought in by events
In all cases the common factor is the struggle for supremacy by religious leaders, religious bodies and religious sects in the name of faith....except there is no unified version of it and will never be.
While divisivenes among people can occur based on almost everything they do, the division by religious sect or religion per se runs such a deep rooted faith that people are compelled to throw everything else to wind and go attack.
Now such deep rooted'ness of religion is not unique to Islam but the combination of that with the compulsion to be a 'muslim nation' is unique and hence the resultant misery violence and turmoil.
The tensions created by trying to force pre-medieval values, rules and judgments onto a 20+ century population literally is recipe for disaster for such countries.
regards
Pundit Vikram
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everyone at some point in life, realizes that the societal belonging into an ingroup or out group on the basis of religious, ethnic, and nationalistic roots of origins, does not really mean much when the very roots becomes anti-survival (meant in the way of wold peace and interpersonal equity practiced in interactions as 'human beings').
so regardless of what the state of the solidarities and convictions might be, the one true thing which brings people together is the culture of humanity.
hope you would agree.
best,
Dushwari
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Hello Dushwari,
Problem is when basic properties of such 'humanity' are believed (brainwashed) to be trivial in comparison to rewards of the afterworld resulting from violent reactions to purported "affronts" to religious identity.
Because the survival instinct is the most basic of humanic properties...even the sense of 'motherhood' in nature is at least partially rooted in the survival instinct. Yet the suicide bombers can be pursuaded to become so!
regards
Pundit Vikram
A self-dependent system that filters out the corrupt irrelevant of his/her affiliation with the society. A society whose value-system is based on education and critical thinking. An overhaul of the political and socio-economic system is due. With that internal revolution, the country(ies) may face hardship and suffer because old ways are hard to let go but when the new system that is based on merit matures, it will yield its fruits in the form of a new way of life that serves as an equal plainfield for all who qualify.
Its not socialism. It's Controlled Capitalism, that ensures there is no one left behind in the race for capital. Kind of like Social Security System that ensures that even the poorest of the poorest are fed at the end of each day regardless of their input in the society.
Education for all. Which in turn will allow Equal Opportunity for all because people will be selected on merit from top-down. This ensures the faces rotate if they don't work well.
I'm sure, i am missing a lot of necessary points. But these are just what i could think of, from the top of my head.
An example of a rule is Khalifas who worked to serve the public because they felt accountable for their actions to an authority much higher than humans. OR Jinnah, who chose to pay himself Rs. 1/Month as the Governor General of the newly formed Pakistan.
Until we have leaders who are willing to sacrifice all they have to make others' lives better, we will always be victims to an internal Nine Eleven that is suffered by the majority of the poor/developing nations on a daily basis.
It feels like u have assumed that these rulers want to fix the system, with this assumption ur reply is seems to be good, but what if the main problem is these rulers, what if these problems are part is created by these rulers so that they can maintian status quo.
What should the nation do! actually in true sense Muslim world is lacking the true leadership... the leaders we have today are (maybe) somewhat sincere, but they do lack vision to develop the nation niether they have tendency to stand for what is right ( unlike teaching of Islam).
Day to Day business of Muslims countries is running on "Theory of Neccessities"and "surviving the day" basis. The Countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar they are rich only because they have minerals, yet after all these year they lack the skills and technology to extract these minerals. They are heavily depended on western technologies and Human resources.
How can they have a say in worldly affairs?
They ray of hope is there, but it is dim ...
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^Very true. And i suppose i did come off as presumptuous. But, my notion of the current state of affairs is the same as yours. There is an immense lack of leadership. And the somewhat-able leaders that do exist either 1. Don't get the chance to lead 2. Are easily corrupted and lose vision, or in most scenarios 3. Are often pushed out of a political/leadership role because their moral standing is hard to swallow for the rest of their colleagues who would rather maintain the status quo.
It still boggles my mind, that having resources that the entire world is dependent upon, why have the Middle Eastern countries such as KSA, Iraq, etc...not developed a supreme system of life that is highly enriched by education, technology, and the ambition to lead the world. Surely, they have the moolah to do it with.
It's the lack of self-dependence and the tendency to extend an asking hand in the face of a challenge that have partially, if not totally paralized the muslim world despite all the natural blessings that are found in the lands.
But, we can hope.....It's not a matter of if, but rather When?!?!