How good does Pakistan have to get for you to move back?

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There are lots of british indians that have started moving back to India. These are 2nd or 3rd generation british born people that do not view Britain as a land of opportunity as their father’s/grandfathers did.

We know India is in the middle of an economic boom and it’s likely that this will continue for some time.

I want to direct the question at 2nd/3rd generation foreign born Guppee’s whose parents are from Pakistan. How good does pakistan have to get for you to move back? or would you never ever even consider it?

What things need to be improved on for you to move back where your parents came from?

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peopel move back and forth, and while many 2nd generation indians have moved to india for opprtunity, the vast majority ae staying put, and larger numbers are leaving India.

Now as far as Pakistan goes, teh answer would vary by person I suppose, but its not just about opportunity, otherwise we would all be trying to get to china I suppose. its lifestyle, security, and ability to be able to do what one does here, or suitable alternates.

I would consider anything really, however at the same time, unlike my foljs who moved about and lived like gypsies all their lives, for the sake of their families and responsibilitis first and then for carer and then for kids, I want to have some sort of roots at one place, even if it means I move around, but there is one place I call home. Thak god for my folks that we always kept our home in London and spent summers there so we had a sense of a home a constant in our life.

I will consider moving back, but it is not just about opportunity

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I agree with fraudia. the roles may have been reversed for a few but for the majority things are the same. according to a recent survey, 81% of indian respondents (15 to 17-year-olds) expressed their desire to move abroad to secure a better future, one of the highest proportion in the world(1). its got more to do with economic opportunity and sometimes personal preferences than how good the country is. more britons are living in pakistan than in india(2), but their influence on pak economy is not as pronounced as that of british indians on indian economy.

having greater economic opportunities doesn’t always mean that the residents of the country are more prosperous. sometimes it can be the opposite. indian economic influence and role in a globalized world cannot be denied, but its a country where a majority of populace doesn’t even have access to toilets. if you’re a creative entrepreneur, you may find plenteous opportunities in this largely poor one billion plus population which is sooner or later going to vie for the same necessities and luxuries which the west enjoys. theres money to be made here.

1- BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Youths want no migration controls
2- BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Brits Abroad

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For us, the problems that prevent us from living in Pakistan run deeper than just economics. I would need to see major changes in the society, sifarish system, attitudes towards women in general, crime, etc., before I would consider living there again.

I do know a couple who moved to India who would love to move back to the US now. They said that the standard of living is good, but the quality of life is still awful.

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empty it first then i’ll move back :chai:

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The day u can assure me that when I turn on the tap, water will flow.. I'll return..

or when I turn on the hot water tap.. warm/hot water will start flowing without having to spread a musallah and engage in supplications.... I'll return..

or when i wake up and don't have to confront the news that there'll be no electricity till 1:00p.m.. I'll return.

When my zero meter Alto doesn't get bumped into by a gudda and the "ghareeb aadmee" doesn't grab me by my garebaan to squeeze medical expenses for his khota out of me... I'll return.

When I go to a place of business and find a place to park other than the road.. I'll return.

When I go to any place of business din dihaaRay at 10:00a.m and find it open.. I'll return.

When I can get simple sarkaaree work done without having to request favors from grade 22 relatives.. I'll return.

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There is nothing wrong with Pakistan, however Pakistanies need to get their act together to make it a sane country to live in. Call me a pessimist but I don’t see that happening in my life time…so I left :hula:

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For me it has lot to do with mental pressure. There are some Pakistanis that live in the western countries; poor, broke and life filled with tension and problems. For them running water and 24/7 electricity does not make sense because they are away from their families.

For me, it will come down to that same pressure, can I have a future with my family in Pakistan? It is an individual question and the day I find out that I can, I will move forever.

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QoL - Quality of Life...give me that and I'll prefer Pakistan, or any other Muslim country, over a Western country.

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pakistan is already better than britain if you chose to live in islamabad atleast...thats why a lot of british paks are moving back here,i know alteast two who were working living in london who have moved back.however pakistanis living in america are more reluctant to come back as america is a far better place to live than britain

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Is that all why everyone is running away. Water, Power, Trafic, Money and Sifarish. Like saying if there will be no Saitan then I will pray, Funny isn't it.

But every one is forgeting their moral duty that togather we can change it. If everyone is running away then who will make it liveable for them. The angels from Sky or the Bad people they left behind. ???????????? Or the one who could not leave.

Just wait for few more Anti Terrorist and Anti Muslim Laws and every one will be running back home. Unless proven to be very very moderate............

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coz America's my home, that's why

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do u know how many people are moving to, or trying to move to UK, or how many are already thre who are not moving back?

its not a tide of people ‘returning’ by any means

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keep us second generation brits/yanks out of this spat between ppl in pak and their brethren who moved abroad. we did not leave, we were born in a different country and that is home to us.

sorry bro, I did not create the mess, and I dis not contribute or add to the mess. teh country is rich in human resources and has more than enough people to make a change. Unless you are saying that the people there are stuck in apathy and cant do jack themselves.

yes if things get bad here than people would return, and that would be out of necessity again as it was the firsttime they moved.

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Yes the country is rich and is progressing to make change , Once changed then why you would like to return. SINCE YOU WERE NOT BORN THERE, YOU MUST BE NATIONAL OF DIFFERENT COUNTRY THEN YOU MIGHT RETURN AS A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN AS WHAT YOU ARE THERE. WHY YOU CALL YOUR SELF PAKISTANI. ARE YOU REALLY ONE..............................................THINK ??

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why do people start screaming like jahils and start typing in caps. Maybe when there is a lack of substance in the statements the volume goes uo to compensate.

if Pakistan changes, I may return, I may not, again, I am used to a life somewhere and would like to live where I am. no one knows what future holds..surely our ancestors who moved about did not always plan to move. I would move anywhere if it is in line with my goals. was it just about money I would be sitting in Saudi Arabia right now as they had thrown a lot of money my way in job offers..but thats not it. its about a lifestyle thatone is comfortable with.
I am a dual citizen, and soon to have three nationalties. why is it anyone else’s business?

second class citizen?? :slight_smile: surely you cant tell me that all Pakistansi think that they are first class citizens. the ongoign compliants by baluchis, the oppression of mohajirs which resulted in massive backlash, the oppresson of other ethnic and linguistic groups which are not among the top 4 is well known. hindus, ahmedis, christians dont quite feel like they are firs class citizens, and many shias do not either.

And why do I call myself a pakistani, because i choose to, stop me if you can :stuck_out_tongue:

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That's the whole point, The CAPS made you respond. I have seen a lot of Pakistani abroad who just went to earn money and now they are stuck as " There kids do not like to go back due to lack of facilities back home". Ofcourse I have also seen that when one leaves his/her country they become more patriots, because they miss almost every thing.

I can tell you why most of the people don't want to go back. As there parents come from either small town or cities and of course you can not get the same life when you go back to that small town/Village or city. Not every one can afford to live in Islamabad, Lahore, Peshawar and Karachi.

What ever you say but this is a fact, that about 85% are living abroad as 2nd class citizens and are happy to wash dishes, which they never taken to kichen in their life back home. I don't call them 2nd Class but in Europe 2nd class is eastern European and then others are 3rd Class. In America the 2nd class are the Red Indians, 3rd are the Lationo and Eastern European and other are 4th class. Just look arround you and observe and you will know.

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Many people from Pakistan who migrated to western countries are used to the lifestyle of western society. They are generally reluctant to take the intiative to settle back in their homeland because they have very bad image of Pakistan as a poor and corrupt country.

In fact there is a tendency to generalize that all the people over there are corrupt and the system is crap but I know many people who can migrate to west but they dont. They are neither too rich nor corrupt but they love their family and friends and they say that life is great over there in Pakistan. In fact I found many people in Pakistan more progressive and optimistic about future unlike immigrants here who are less optimistic because of ever increasing islam bashing. It all is personal choice. I know many families who have returend to Pakistan where thery are living happliy in Islamabad. Similarly lots of people from Pakistan are migrating to western countries and cycle goes on.

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Yeah so if ppl stayed in pak coz they were born there and love the life they have there, it's fine if they never move abroad. but then if someone born and raised in America or anywhere outside of Pakistan doesnt want to move back, theres a probleM?

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*That's the whole point, The CAPS made you respond. *

I would have respinded either way :)

*I have seen a lot of Pakistani abroad who just went to earn money and now they are stuck as " There kids do not like to go back due to lack of facilities back home". *

applies to people who left Pakistan, and not people who were not even born there. Its not always faciltities, as I said its a sense of home also, if u were born and raised in one place and have friends there, u have roots there, to move to a foriegm land (even if it is your parents homeland) is very tough. i have done it, and personally at that time had Pakistan been safe and secure we probably would have stayed but we did not.

*I can tell you why most of the people don't want to go back. As there parents come from either small town or cities and of course you can not get the same life when you go back to that small town/Village or city. Not every one can afford to live in Islamabad, Lahore, Peshawar and Karachi. *

does not mean that people who can afford to live in karachi or islamabad are falling over themselves to move to, or move back to pakistan..whichever one applies.

What ever you say but this is a fact, that about 85% are living abroad as 2nd class citizens and are happy to wash dishes, which they never taken to kichen in their life back home. I don't call them 2nd Class but in Europe 2nd class is eastern European and then others are 3rd Class. In America the 2nd class are the Red Indians, 3rd are the Lationo and Eastern European and other are 4th class. Just look arround you and observe and you will know.

so if they are earning an honest living by washing dishes, what is wrong with that, an honest living is an honest living, we have had harams in pakistan sitting around at their parents houses like parasites because they are above jobs that they can get.

what a sad state of affairs, people who know pakistan , who are patriotic, would rather be 3rd class citizens in a foriegn land than be in their homeland... that says something about the mess people living in that country have made there does it not. shame on them all.
and what a shame that people are lining up to get out of their homeland to go wash dishes as a third class citizen in some far away land... because even that is better than what they have now..makes you think does it not