Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
ab itna bi bura haal nah hia ...
I have experienced that first hand. I started construction of a factory in Norriabad on Super Highway. The vadera of the area sent a guy to be hired as watchman so that the construction material does not get stolen. After few days a jeep came with armed men on it and told me that vadera of the area wants to meet you now. You need to follow our jeep to go and see him. I had no choice they were armed I was not.
The vadera offered me tea , talk to me nicely , treated me with respect and demanded 5000 rupees to provide protection. I told him I will arrange the money.
The father of this young vadera was my brother's neighbor , I told this to that father who said you have no choice but to do what he wants if you want to set up factory in that area.
I told all this to the guy who was owner of that factory. He abandoned that project.
As soon as someone discovers any kind of mineral in Baluchistan the sardars of the area start demanding royalty.
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
Salams All
If someone wanted to buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan to help preserve habitat and pursue scientific interest how would one go about acquiring the rights to such an area of land? Otherwise, how would one develop land in Pakistan for the purpose of reforestation in order to reintroduce or nurture endemic/threatened species?
Last question how much would such a venture cost?
I guess approach the owners (unless it is state land) and negotiate the price with them if they want to sell.
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
^you negotiate.....and incorporate that into your budget as one of the expenses.......or 'taxes' so to say.........
from what i hear.......all business pay bhatta in karachi...........now many are still flourishing....and earning profits.....??
psyah keep all this in mind before you make a final decision. Some ulema in Pakistan have given fatwa that if you have no choice but to pay bribe for you jaiz kaam, it is no gunah or something to that effect. So have I heard.
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
if you pay taxes in USA and UK…your tax money is spent in killing muslims… if you don’t have any problems paying money to kuffar for war against muslims… giving some bribery isn’t that bad in comparison
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
Peace NomiCA
The difference here is that the direct responsibility of the war machine lies with the state controllers not us and the direct line of responsibility for giving people bribery would be us.
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
psyah keep all this in mind before you make a final decision. Some ulema in Pakistan have given fatwa that if you have no choice but to pay bribe for you jaiz kaam, it is no gunah or something to that effect. So have I heard.
So how much were they bribed with to come up with that fatwa ???
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
Oh yes … to explain how I came by this idea … it was not really from my wife … hareem01 has wanted to be an activist for protecting the Pakistani environment and I support her in that idea, also she learnt about Beatrix Potter who bought the Lake District and allocated it as land that was not to be built on due to outstanding natural beauty … my idea is based on scientific research and preservation thereof and extending those sentiments to the Pakistani public - educating them to look and focus on the beauty within their own boundaries rather than looking at what others are doing. Knowing that forest land is far cheaper than land allocated for development I thought it might be worthwhile doing something like this …
In this country grassland, woodland and heathland are on the market. I was wondering if such a thing exists in Pakistan.
Apparently selling forest land happens - as I remember when someone posted this article:
Hence I conclude from this article that I need to approach “The Forest Ministry” to see if any such land is currently under the hammer so to speak. Privatisation of forest land is the way forward for protecting the forests in Pakistan … I feel many people who are like minded should pursue this too.
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
Well I don't know , how much it is going to cost in punjab ..but here in Sindh near GhaRoo and Thatta area .. You would be looking around 20 to 25 million PKR.
Set up cost would be around 5 to 8 million PKR
Operational cost would be at least around 1 to 2 million per annum .
As other suggested - you wont be able to do it without having strong roots ( Political and Tribal connection ) in the proposed area ..
Yea Feudal lords School nahii kholne daYte hai apNe IlaqooN mein - do you think they would let any body come and buy this much land in their area and give decent living to the natives ...
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
Well I don't know , how much it is going to cost in punjab ..but here in Sindh near GhaRoo and Thatta area .. You would be looking around 20 to 25 million PKR.
Set up cost would be around 5 to 8 million PKR
Operational cost would be at least around 1 to 2 million per annum .
As other suggested - you wont be able to do it without having strong roots ( Political and Tribal connection ) in the proposed area ..
Yea Feudal lords School nahii kholne daYte hai apNe IlaqooN mein - do you think they would let any body come and buy this much land in their area and give decent living to the natives ...
Peace Naabigh
How did you come by these figures? The purchase cost may be about right, but I can't imagine the set up costs and running costs being that high ...
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
Peace Naabigh
How did you come by these figures? The purchase cost may be about right, but I can't imagine the set up costs and running costs being that high ...
How did I come up with these figures ... Although I am an IT consultant by profession but I have been involved in farming and live stock nixers from last two years ..
Setup - you really don't know how it works here .. you don't know how much money these several blood sucking government agencies/departments would suck out of you , once you show your inclination to initiate a project of such scale :)
what if you don't have proper irrigation system and electricity on your land ?
let's do one thing tell us the possible Set up and operational cost you can think in regard of your project - break it in chunks and then we can come up with a better estimated figure ..
Re: How does one buy 250 acres of forest land in Pakistan?
How did I come up with these figures ... Although I am an IT consultant by profession but I have been involved in farming and live stock nixers from last two years ..
Setup - you really don't know how it works here .. you don't know how much money these several blood sucking government agencies/departments would suck out of you , once you show your inclination to initiate a project of such scale :)
**what if you don't have proper irrigation system and electricity on your land ?
**
let's do one thing tell us the possible Set up and operational cost you can think in regard of your project - break it in chunks and then we can come up with a better estimated figure ..
Peace Naabigh
I thought you were thinking along those lines ... LOL ... My intent was not to "develop" but to "protect" - It will simply involve setting up a fence with sign posts and putting a small fleet of wardens and rangers in place to patrol the boundaries. Some areas may need lighting and/or electricity and the intent is to capitalise on solar and wind power and even clockwork power. If any work on logging or coppicing is required then the workers would use petrol driven tools only where necessary, otherwise work undertaken by hand. The idea however is to maintain habitat with minimal disturbance to the eco-system. It's all about letting nature do its thing and by having ownership of it, that would hopefully prevent any chance of trees being felled for the lumber trade. Due to whatever region being allocated as nature reserve protected for special scientific interest then it would mean that studies can also be undertaken in the particular territory.
The most that would be built would be wooden huts as outposts for monitoring and may be a larger shack for laboratory work.
No farmland, no product being made ... simply buying a forest to keep it alive ... With this in mind how would those costs be affected?
Also because the purchase is not for commercial use per se - the territory would operate like a privatised wing of the forest ministry where they can section away a piece of woodland to be maintained privately so they don't need to worry about it ... this type of activity has been happening in the UK where sections of land are being bought by either the British Wildlife Trust or National Trust. Sometimes certain pieces of land are privately owned but they have been "lent" to the these trusts so they can enjoy funding for them and in return they allow people to visit the area for their nature appreciation walks. As a result the owners would sell this land off cheap because the potential for making money off it would be heavily limited and restricted by regulation. If a certain area of land that has been deemed protected from development is bought then this should not be as high in cost, rather any buyer would be doing the country a favour for maintaining it at his own cost, making some money back by donations and research.
Basically there is a culture in the UK for people going on walks, hikes, rambles and excursions in to nature simply to appreciate it ... I feel a similar type of culture should be encouraged in Pakistan. At the moment only certain people go to see the natural areas and usually there is no formal mechanism/culture in place to maintain those areas through that type of interest.
