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any link which says that india doesn't allow those countries to invest?
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I did not say India doesn't allow them to invest. I said it discourages them, China especially.
Now lets get back to the topic. If you want a link, PM me, and I will give it to you, and we can discuss it there.
There is a Taiwanese embassy in New Delhi. That means Taiwan has been recognized by India.
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Well, someone asked me what do the Chinese think about the Indians. And that's how the topic changed.
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‘China has a plan to contain India by using Pakistan’
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1065193
HONG KONG: The political and strategic calculations that underlie China’s approach to the border talks with India are not always easy to discern.
But a recent commentary in Ta Kung Pao, the oldest Chinese-language newspaper in China, widely regarded as a mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, gives insights into Chinese leaders’ minds, highlights a ‘Taiwan factor’ in China’s calculus, and provides a chilling blueprint of China’s contingency plans to use Pakistan to “pin down” India in the event of hostilities. The commentary, by Deng Qingbo, also accuses India of being “insincere” in the matter of demarcating the Sino-Indian border, and provides a rationale to explain why the Chinese side now prefers to put the border talks with India “on the backburner”.
It notes that in a historical sense, the disintegration of the Soviet Union eased the security strain on China’s northern borders, and provided an opportunity to “actively push for the solution of border issues on the western and northern frontiers”. Settling these border disputes is important because it would then enable China to focus its energy on dealing with Taiwan.
China claims territorial sovereignty over Taiwan, but the pro-independence movement on the island has in recent years been testing the limits of the mainland government’s patience.
If the Taiwanese ruling party declares independence, Chinese forces will be required to move decisively against it; in that context, to avoid being tied down on two frontiers, China senses a strategic advantage in settling the dispute with India.
But China now suspects that Indian negotiators have read its mind — in particular, its keenness to settle the border dispute speedily — and are trying to use the situation to their advantage. “India wants to take advantage of this opportunity… but its intention of occupying more areas will fail… If India feels it can take advantage of China’s psychology and… force China to accept India’s continued occupation of prosperous regions in order to ease its border pressure… to promote its social and economic development… it is wishful thinking,” cautions Deng.
But the commentary noted that the disputed area with India was nearly twice as large as Taiwan.
“If China sacrifices large chunks of territory in exchange for strategic superiority in the Taiwan region, obviously it is not worth it.” Under these circumstances, it noted, China may give priority to the settlement of the Taiwan issue, and then resolve the Sino-Indian border issue. In other words, the border talks with India will be put on the backburner.
The commentary notes that “nationalist sentiments” in both countries were high, and it was difficult for either side to make concessions.
“India has its own weaknesses and can be pinned down” by Pakistan, which is China’s “all-weather” strategic ally. “In case India takes advantage of China’s situation and tries to harm it, Pakistan can also initiate an attack on India in the same manner,” the commentary noted. China, it said, must not be unduly worried that it might be obstructed by India when it is resolving the Taiwan issue.
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china's 'ight!
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http://www.nvca.org/pdf/AmericanMade_study.pdf
To examine the role of immigrants in today’s start-up companies, the
study’s author surveyed more than 340 venture-backed start-ups and
found that nearly half, 47 percent, were founded by one or more
immigrants.
Sixty-two percent of those companies were in the high-tech or life
sciences sectors, and India was the most prevalent country of origin
with 28 percent followed by the U.K. at 11 percent, China at 5
percent, Iran at 4 percent and France at 4 percent.
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i like to buy stuff labelled as ......... made in china .................. but i've no other liking for china .................. sorry............
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But you also need to look at how many employees these so called new venture-backed companies employed.
And in terms of absolute numbers, these venture backed companies are very few too. For example, Indian’s venture backed company is only 32. Taiwane’s is only 16.
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Check this article from Economist.
http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/asiaview/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8311987
The myth of Chindia
Nov 22nd 2006
From Economist.com
Joined by name but not by nature
NOT so long ago “hyphenation” was the bane of Indian diplomats’ lives. They seethed at the condescension with which the West would talk most easily of their country as one-half of a putative Indo-Pakistani nuclear war. Now that the hyphen has moved eastwards they are much happier. Better to be spliced with China in a notional powerhouse comprising one-third of the world’s people and much of its economic dynamism.
The relationship is starting to transcend hyphenation, at least in name. Analysts talk of “Chindia”. Jairam Ramesh, a junior minister in India’s government, and one of its sharpest thinkers, has written a book on the subject. But the reality lags. Closer integration of China and India is not inevitable, nor is it even certain that both sides should want it.
This week China’s president, Hu Jintao, has been visiting India and talking up the prospects for partnership. Bilateral trade, tiny a few years ago, is likely to reach $20 billion in 2006. India’s prime minister, Manmohan Singh, says he wants to see it double again by 2010.
The appealing notion here is that India and China have complementary economies. China, through its burgeoning factories, is the world’s workshop. India, with its fast-growing IT and outsourcing firms, is becoming the world’s back office. With Chinese hardware providing the orchestra and Indian software writing the score, surely they can make beautiful music together?
Perhaps. Chinese manufactured goods are appearing in ever-greater numbers in shops in India, as they are everywhere else. Indian software firms are expanding fast into China.
Reuters
He hopes you can be friends But Mr Singh does not want India to cede the global market in labour-intensive manufacturing to China. On the contrary, the prime minister advocates a “Chinese model” for India too. Services alone cannot generate the new jobs that India needs—some 70m of them in the next five years. That means building lots more factories and selling lots more goods.
India’s IT firms, for their part, are drawn to China less for its domestic market, which gives them relatively little business, and more by the desire to offer global delivery to their multinational clients. They fear, too, that China may be only a few years behind them in producing its own legions of exportable software engineers.
The current complementarity in Chindian economic ties, such as it is, looks rather old-fashioned, even colonial. India exports raw materials to China, especially iron ore, and imports cheap Chinese manufactures in exchange.
In future, fierce competition is more likely than closer co-operation. Efforts to join forces in a global search for energy security are unlikely to overcome deeply ingrained Indian suspicions of China. The mistrust dates back to India’s humiliating defeat in the India-China war of 1962, and is fed by China’s ties to Pakistan. It still impedes trade and investment. Chinese firms find it hard to secure visas for their staff in India, and are excluded from some projects, such as running ports.
China can get twitchy too, especially over border issues. Last week its ambassador in Delhi gave a crude reminder that the hostilities of 40 years ago have been set aside, not resolved. He reasserted bluntly China’s claim to the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which started the 1962 war. It was an odd move to make on the eve of Mr Hu’s visit, supposedly the climax of a “year of friendship”.
The American Senate recently approved a deal that may end India’s spell in nuclear purgatory: it will forgive India, in effect, for having developed a nuclear bomb without signing the international non-proliferation treary. That should give China even more of an incentive to treat India politely. It needs to ensure that India will not take America’s side if relations between America and China deteriorate.
Indians are always quick to contrast China’s single-minded pursuit of its own interests with their own messy democratic floundering. But in China’s dealings with India it is not clear that either side knows yet where its long-term interests lie.
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I am just curious why can't the Indians compare their country with US, instead of China. US and India are both democracies, but China is not.
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and how do Chinese feel about India and Indians?
In US, I have seen Indians and Chinese have good relations, often competing in school etc.
Do Chinese use Pakistan/Pakistanis just to keep India/Indians from becoming regional power. Balance of Power....
我认识很多中国人。他们都喜欢印度人，他们都尊重印度人。说实话中国人觉得desi都一样。 ab aap apne chini dost ko pucho aapke liye parneko jo maine likha hain.
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I think Indians in Beijing do get a certain amount of respect from the Chinese.
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Only racist people like you think/say such things. You lot also have other ‘colorful’ names for Pakistanis of non-punjabi ethnicity. No lie, kasme.
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I know that most Indians don't care about China. But a small minority of Indian nationalists on the internet makes me feel many Indians like trash China.
Dear Cyberena,
Welcome to Gupshup!
Pakistanis love China because China has been a true friend and ally to Pakistan.
On the other hand, what you've read about Indians and their feelings toward China are indeed true: Indians are threatended by China and they demean and bash China every chance they get. Also, it's a common (mis)perception among Indians that Chinese are unoriginal copycats and can never produce new products or innovate.
Having said that, it has come as a great surprise to Pakistanis that China has signed a nuclear cooperation deal with India. Why is China helping its sworn enemy over it's best friend Pakistan?
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我现在写英文使得巴基斯坦人明白。
Majority if not all the guppies that have been posting about China with such great fervor don't have even one single Chinese friend. They just think that the relationship between China and Pakistan is the same as that between a Chinese person and a Pakistani person. They assume the same about the relationship between an Indian person and a Chinese person. Believe me, my 25 or so good Chinese friends do not treat me as China as a country does to India or vice versa. My Chinese friends think that the fact that I can speak putonghua (unlike probably all of the China loving Pakistanis) here and cook dumplings and won ton (我知道包饺子） shows a lot more commitment to understanding Chinese wenhua than the lovey-dovey posts of Pakistanis on this forum. Just ask any of the guppies how many Chinese friends they have and how many of them consider them as best friends. Majority of my Chinese friends consider me as their best friend.
再见。
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They just think that the relationship between China and Pakistan is the same as that between a Chinese person and a Pakistani person. They assume the same about the relationship between an Indian person and a Chinese person. Believe me, my 25 or so good Chinese friends do not treat me as China as a country does to India or vice versa.
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^oh what a lesson in international affairs. And I (and perhaps many others here as well) always thought all our **Indian **teachers and friends we ever had were actually RAW agents plotting to extract state secrets from Pakistanis :o
Why the heck did we, **Indians & Pakistanis, **associate as people with great respect and friendship as individuals while India and Pakistan are often at each other's throats!?
expatobserver,
come on! do you seriously believe youre the first one to be able to differentiate between relations between two nationalities (individuals) and two nations (countries)!?
Anyway, I met many Chinese people today at IDEAS 2006 after a long time, and was good to have them here. And they seemed very happy to be here. All were as usual very friendly, cooperative, intelligent, and appreciative towards Pak-China friendship, many spoke phrases in Urdu. Many looked forward to more and even better diplomatic, military, industrial, trade cooperation between the two countries.
Apparently Mr Hu Jin Tao has arrived this evening at Isl with similar feelings and has been welcomed with similar feelings aswell.
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Hi..
China is Pakistan’s best friend. We treat Chinese as our brothers.
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Anyway, I met many Chinese people today at IDEAS 2006 after a long time, and was good to have them here. And they seemed very happy to be here. All were as usual very friendly, cooperative, intelligent, and appreciative towards Pak-China friendship, many spoke phrases in Urdu. Many looked forward to more and even better diplomatic, military, industrial, trade cooperation between the two countries. Apparently Mr Hu Jin Tao has arrived this evening at Isl with similar feelings and has been welcomed with similar feelings aswell.
Neatly, as usual Harris, a comment from you avoding the issues I raised. Before my post not one post indicated any personal friendship with any chinese person, yours included. I do believe you are irked because I put my finger your own weak point of not being really familiar with chinese culture at all. If you are so intrigued by chinese. how many chinese books have you read (even translations) or how many chinese singers you are familiar with. Know any good chinese film actors/actresses? Oh, no? Just what I thought. Know who is Zhang Yimou and who is his current squeeze? Harris you and 99% of posters here know squat aboui China and don't want to admit it. You haven't got me fooled.
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Majority if not all the guppies that have been posting about China with such great fervor don't have even one single Chinese friend. They just think that the relationship between China and Pakistan is the same as that between a Chinese person and a Pakistani person. They assume the same about the relationship between an Indian person and a Chinese person. Believe me, my 25 or so good Chinese friends do not treat me as China as a country does to India or vice versa. My Chinese friends think that the fact that I can speak putonghua (unlike probably all of the China loving Pakistanis) here and cook dumplings and won ton (我知道包饺子） shows a lot more commitment to understanding Chinese wenhua than the lovey-dovey posts of Pakistanis on this forum. Just ask any of the guppies how many Chinese friends they have and how many of them consider them as best friends. Majority of my Chinese friends consider me as their best friend.
再见。
I personally haven't meet any Indian that hates China. But why some Indians who have never been to China or meet any Chinese like to bash China on the internet? One of my Indian friends told me some of the Indians I know like to bash China when me and other Chinese are away. I am very good friend with him. That's why he told me that.
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This happens very frequently, even i have noticed indians bashing china on the internet, and when i tried to defend china they claimed i was from china lol! I even told them im pakistani...