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^:omg:That’s quite a good point, Sasha. They can’t be THAT oblivious, right? I have a question though, the guys that are pretending to be girls, what do they get out of it?
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Fornication - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
…consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other …
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^Some really needed to be told.
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Well ... I know only few stories of fornication so thats why i am not counting those in that 70% .. but being physical (hugging, kissing) is quite normal ..
thanks to cell phones .. text-fornication (if thats a word, otherwise sexting) is i believe more than 70% ..
but the question is about fornication( you must be knowing the definition), so when you include things that isn't fornication and you say fornication is 70% that gives a very inaccurate picture.
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Over the internet it is quite high because you can easily hide behind a fake ID and fake address. Not to mention that most of the Facebook and social media IDs of girls for this purpose are created by guys. Almost 90%.
I'm not saying that 90% Facebook and social media profiles of girls are fake, but if you go to some 'colorful' desi groups/pages that are created for such purposes, majority of the female profiles are fake and to top it all majority of them claim to be lesbians and university students... :D
So a new person who goes to such pages/groups automatically assumes that majority of university girls are into this stuff and are potentially easy lay.
Still in real world, the %age of the 'real act' is not more than 15% to 20%. That's my experience, may be others have seen more than what I have.
The bad side is that the parents have children reaching the age of 30 and still they do not consider how their adult son or daughter is able to live in today's world without thinking about intimacy or love. It's a basic human need and every religion and society has provided a legal way to satisfy it.
Many people here said about high percentage among university students so we can assume people in age bracket of 22-25 are more susceptible to the actual act. The question is why they have to look for illegal means to satisfy their needs? We cannot claim them to be isolated cases, in Pakistan even a 10% means 18 to 20 million people and they are not in their teens to not know they are taking a wrong path.
We look around in the west where every John and Jane work hard/study and also have intimate relationships. Sometimes the things do go wrong and they breakup and move on to find next partner but they don't hold back their desire and needs. It leads to psychological disorders, double personalities and creative and sick ways to fulfil these desires as well.
An example of creative way is the lists of mobile numbers of females sold by shopkeepers. The idea is simple, the females go to a shop to recharge their prepaid mobile phones, they have to tell their number to the shopkeeper for the topup. The shopkeeper will note down the number as well as details of the female, like her approx. age, color, appearance, religious looking or fashionable etc. Later he will sell the number and the details to the guys who are willing to pay.
I went to Pakistan last year and saw this happening, the youth will be willing to pay the money and get the numbers. Later these numbers end up in friends circle and also on Facebook pages, if the girl gave strict answer to the "fraandship offer". When the news spreads in the neighbourhood then whole youth of that area assumes that girl is an easy lay.
Of course there are girls as well who get excited by all this attention and respond positively to such cheap acts. Her whole life has been empty so far and now a '*mushtanda' *is giving her attention and waiting for her on his 70cc bike or dad's Rolla (I mean Corolla). One success story in 100s gives encouragement to many people to keep on trying.
I have countless examples of girls/guys who are over 30, unmarried and parents (and children as well) waiting for some 'good' rishta. Okay finding good rishta is very important but do they ever think that how their daughter is able to hold back her desires this long. The same goes for guys as well, I don't want to be gender specific. The religion is one possible way (may be) but majority of us are not religious at all in any aspect of life.
The point is society and parents want their children to live the pious, sinless and honourable life without realizing that humans are not able to live such life for such a long time, esp. when there are enough opportunities around.
Encouraging and helping children to find their potential partners, early in their life, is the right way to go. There was a quote floating on the Internet that "make nikkah easy and zinnah difficult".
This should not be specific to the expenses related to the weddings but also opening up your mind (encouraging your children to find their life partners and not friendships just for time pass), decision making (if you find good rishta as parents, involve your children in the decision making process), accepting the mistake/failure (if marriage doesn't workout so what) and then moving on (change in the society to accept divorced girls/guys and marry them without creating a fuss over it).
Now I don't know why I wrote this long post, but I wrote it anyway.... you may not agree with me but that's okay.
i agree with most of what you have said, but things like having sex over the webcams,net,calls and then indulging in adultery do not only happen between people who are both single. a lot of married people particularly married men are involved into this. a lot of them involved via the internet as that is the most easy and anonymous way. then you have married men going on international trips for work and going for one night stands or going to the massage parlors for those extras and so on and so forth. my point is that these men are married and have lawful way to address their needs still they indulge in wrong means. so your point that this problem is rising because we have so many unmarried girls and guys who find it difficult to guard themselves against it, is something doesn't sit well with me.
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LOLz @70%. ok that turned out hilarious.
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i agree with most of what you have said, but things like having sex over the webcams,net,calls and then indulging in adultery do not only happen between people who are both single. a lot of married people particularly married men are involved into this. a lot of them involved via the internet as that is the most easy and anonymous way. then you have married men going on international trips for work and going for one night stands or going to the massage parlors for those extras and so on and so forth. my point is that these men are married and have lawful way to address their needs still they indulge in wrong means. so your point that this problem is rising because we have so many unmarried girls and guys who find it difficult to guard themselves against it, is something doesn't sit well with me.
Obviously there will be such cases but a good percentage will be satisfied from their spouses and once they get into other troubles of marriage they might not look outside, that's my take. May be there are other ways, besides marriage, to bring the percentage down but I'm not aware of any.
The focus of the thread was *ornication, i.e. doing the actual act, that's why I did not mention cyber, sexting and related stuff. Also based on the comments here it seems that the problem is not rising, it has already risen to somewhat alarming percentage.
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Over the internet it is quite high because you can easily hide behind a fake ID and fake address. Not to mention that most of the Facebook and social media IDs of girls for this purpose are created by guys. Almost 90%.
I'm not saying that 90% Facebook and social media profiles of girls are fake, but if you go to some 'colorful' desi groups/pages that are created for such purposes, majority of the female profiles are fake and to top it all majority of them claim to be lesbians and university students... :D
So a new person who goes to such pages/groups automatically assumes that majority of university girls are into this stuff and are potentially easy lay.
Still in real world, the %age of the 'real act' is not more than 15% to 20%. That's my experience, may be others have seen more than what I have.
The bad side is that the parents have children reaching the age of 30 and still they do not consider how their adult son or daughter is able to live in today's world without thinking about intimacy or love. It's a basic human need and every religion and society has provided a legal way to satisfy it.
Many people here said about high percentage among university students so we can assume people in age bracket of 22-25 are more susceptible to the actual act. The question is why they have to look for illegal means to satisfy their needs? We cannot claim them to be isolated cases, in Pakistan even a 10% means 18 to 20 million people and they are not in their teens to not know they are taking a wrong path.
We look around in the west where every John and Jane work hard/study and also have intimate relationships. Sometimes the things do go wrong and they breakup and move on to find next partner but they don't hold back their desire and needs. It leads to psychological disorders, double personalities and creative and sick ways to fulfil these desires as well.
An example of creative way is the lists of mobile numbers of females sold by shopkeepers. The idea is simple, the females go to a shop to recharge their prepaid mobile phones, they have to tell their number to the shopkeeper for the topup. The shopkeeper will note down the number as well as details of the female, like her approx. age, color, appearance, religious looking or fashionable etc. Later he will sell the number and the details to the guys who are willing to pay.
I went to Pakistan last year and saw this happening, the youth will be willing to pay the money and get the numbers. Later these numbers end up in friends circle and also on Facebook pages, if the girl gave strict answer to the "fraandship offer". When the news spreads in the neighbourhood then whole youth of that area assumes that girl is an easy lay.
Of course there are girls as well who get excited by all this attention and respond positively to such cheap acts. Her whole life has been empty so far and now a '*mushtanda' *is giving her attention and waiting for her on his 70cc bike or dad's Rolla (I mean Corolla). One success story in 100s gives encouragement to many people to keep on trying.
I have countless examples of girls/guys who are over 30, unmarried and parents (and children as well) waiting for some 'good' rishta. Okay finding good rishta is very important but do they ever think that how their daughter is able to hold back her desires this long. The same goes for guys as well, I don't want to be gender specific. The religion is one possible way (may be) but majority of us are not religious at all in any aspect of life.
The point is society and parents want their children to live the pious, sinless and honourable life without realizing that humans are not able to live such life for such a long time, esp. when there are enough opportunities around.
Encouraging and helping children to find their potential partners, early in their life, is the right way to go. There was a quote floating on the Internet that "make nikkah easy and zinnah difficult".
This should not be specific to the expenses related to the weddings but also opening up your mind (encouraging your children to find their life partners and not friendships just for time pass), decision making (if you find good rishta as parents, involve your children in the decision making process), accepting the mistake/failure (if marriage doesn't workout so what) and then moving on (change in the society to accept divorced girls/guys and marry them without creating a fuss over it).
Now I don't know why I wrote this long post, but I wrote it anyway.... you may not agree with me but that's okay.
You make a good point but I think the desire alone does not explain it nor the rise in marriage age. I think it's more about how the young people look at the fornication and their peers who are willing to engage in it.
I studied in college in Pakistan, everyone had hormone surge, the famous mandi of LHR was we'll known to all but it was extremely rare for anyone to go there.
And then, aur bhi ghum haiN zamaney meiN muhabbat key siwa, Atleast in highly competitive institutions people are preoccupied with the stuff they need to do and compete. Once you graduate, you are again faced with battle of survival. The desire actually increase when one is around forty, when you have done the hard work professionally and are settled down.
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And then, aur bhi ghum haiN zamaney meiN muhabbat key siwa, Atleast in highly competitive institutions people are preoccupied with the stuff they need to do and compete. Once you graduate, you are again faced with battle of survival. The desire actually increase when one is around forty, when you have done the hard work professionally and are settled down.
Agreed.... I am getting quite tharki myself now :( .......
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10%
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Around 15% of Pakistani men in the 18-25 age bracket 'fornicate' atleast once before marriage.
Its a one off experience for the vast majority of them. Either they managed to get lucky with girls they're in LT relationships with or more commonly its with a hooker.
Its totally ridiculous that some people are claiming its as high as 50-80%
Even in US more than 30% of male college going students are virgins. (The percentage being understandably lower for female students)
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*If the figures are correct, it's estimated that there are 200,000 sex workers operating in Karachi. I'm sure some of these people will be busier than others but if we assume each one of these sex workers has an average of 5 clients per week, that's a total of 1 million clients a week! *
**Now I can't imagine the same 1 million clients will be visiting sex workers every week, maybe once or twice a month but not every week. However if the sex workers are still able to maintain their weekly average of 5 clients every week, then there must be at least 3-4 million individual people using sex workers on a regular basis. That's about 15-20% of the population of Karachi.
Then if we throw in the number of people who aren't using sex workers but instead having sex outside of marriage with regular people such as boyfriend/girlfriend relationships, extra marital affairs and so on, then the conclusion we can draw from this is..... there's a lot of fornication going on in Karachi! **
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Fornication can also be between same sex. I would say homosexual fornication is more common in Pakistan than heterosexual esp. west of Attock and among some maulvi hazrat 
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labels, labels everywhere
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Fornication can also be between same sex. I would say homosexual fornication is more common in Pakistan than heterosexual esp. west of Attock and among some maulvi hazrat :P
Vaddi observation eh tuadi... Dhoti in air!
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light bulb ... Business idea. Let's bottle biryani and label it Viagra. Pakistan can pay off its debt this way.
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I don't know about Pakistan, but here in the West, I'd have to agree with the user who stated over 70% (for males). I think the percentage is a lot lower for females.
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^Ahan
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I don't know about Pakistan, but here in the West, I'd have to agree with the user who stated over 70% (for males). I think the percentage is a lot lower for females.
So, a girl that does 'fornicate' has such relations with several guys?
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^^