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[This message has been edited by Bharysh (edited March 27, 2001).]
*A1shah says: *“We are talking about mut'a, a contract marriage allowed by Allah (swt) and his apostle (pbuh)”. **
astaghfay rullah hay rabbi, Mr Whatever, do you have any authentic source (aside your books)?
Referring something that Allah has not revealed is a great sin and carries grave consequences. I know you people don’t even spare to stain the life of Holy Prophet(sa).
A word of advice, when you come up with your self-designed ideologies, have some authentic and logical references at hand to support.
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Originally posted by a1shah:
*If you didn't already know, Khaiber occurred several years before the hijrat to Medina.
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I thought it happened after the Prophet went and created the Islamic state in Medina and when a treates was broken by the jews they were kicked out of Medina and they fled to this fort called Khyber. They were kicked out of this fort (I think). So definately this DID NOT TAKE PLACE BEFORE HIJRAT. If you can prove otherwise please give me the proof!
actully i just checked...it was between 3 and 5 Hijrah. Between the battles of Badar and Uhad. So no that expadition of Khyber was definately after Hijrah.
Topee Wala;
What I meant to say was that Khaiber occurred about 2 years before the conquest of Mecca. Mut'a was permitted in Mecca after the prophet (pbuh) got control of the city. So the hadiths mentioning Khaiber as the time when mut'a was banned is false.
Thanks for pointing it out. It has been a late night.
For the sake of clarity, how do you guys interpret the verse on mut'a I quoted earlier:
"Lawful for you is what is beyond all that, that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in license. So those of them whom you enjoy, give them their appointed wages; it is no fault in you in mutually agreeing after fulfillment (of the wage). God is All-Knowing, All-Wise" (4:24).
Just curious.
The word mut'a is derived from the Arabic word for "whom you enjoy".
FYI
Mut'ah is an arabic word which means "enjoyment" and to Shi'ahs has a deep religious connotation. The books of "hadith" and fiqh written by Shi'ah scholars define mut'ah*as a "temporary marriage contracted for a fixed period in return for a compensation." The belief in the sanctity and merits of *mut'ah is an integral part of Shi'ah faith. In contrast, the rest of the Muslim Ummah considers Mut'ah as little more than prostitution.
Shi'ahs justify their belief in Mut'ah with the following verse from the Quran, and they claim that this verse was revealed specifically to declare the sanctity of mut'ah:
"And [prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hand possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation *[the mahr, a specified gift to the bride required of the man upon marriage]** as an obligation." Surah an-Nisa, 4:24*
The Shi'ahs claim that mut'ah was openly practiced during the Prophet's (SAW) lifetime and that it was only the second caliph Umar (PBUH), who forcefully prohibited this practice. They even go to the extent of saying:
"The believer is perfect only when he has experienced mut'ah." Shorter Encyclopedia Of Islam, p. 419
Sunnis/Wahabis acknowledge that mut'ah was a common practice during the pre-islamic days of ignorance (Jahiliyyah) in Arabia. It is stated in at-Tirmidhi's book of hadith in the chapter on marriage that when a man would go to a strange village where he had no acquaintance, he would marry a woman for as long a period as he thought that he would stay there so that she could take care of him and his property. This practice continued during the early days of Islam until Allah revealed among verses describing the believers:
"...And they who guard their private parts except from their wives or those their right hands possess..." Surah al-Muminun, 23:5-6
The Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam also states that mut'ah was a common practice among Arab travelers and goes back to the fourth century A.D. "When a stranger came to a village and had no place to stay, he would marry a woman for a short time so that she would take care of him and his property." Caetani also stated that in the pagan period mut'ah was a form of religious prostitution that took place during the occasion of hajj. Shorter Encyclopedia Of Islam, p. 419
Thus mut'ah was a loose sexual practice during the Pre-Islamic days of Ignorance in Arabia. Being an old and established institution, it continued during the early days of Islam. The Prophet (SAW) also allowed it temporarily on two other occasions, but only under strict, exceptional conditions - during the conquest of Khaybar and during the conquest of Makkah - fearing that those Muslims whose faith was not yet strong might commit adultery during Jihad. Shi'ahs widely quote hadiths in relation to these events to support their continued belief in mut'ah. Sunnis/Wahabis accept these hadiths but add that this happened before all of the verses of the Quran were revealed and the religion completed.
Historians and commentators on the Quran and hadith agree that Islam eradicated most social evils in a gradual way. It is well known, that practices like gambling, drinking, and consumption of pork and blood were common during the early days but were prohibited gradually. Likewise, it is probable that mut'ah was first forbidden to those at Khaybar in the year 7 A.H. and then completely prohibited to all people upon the conquest of Makkah in 8 A.H.
Several hadiths of the Prophet (SAW) regarding mut'ah are well documented, such as the following:
*'Ali reported: "On the day of conquest of Khaybar the Prophet (SAW) forbade mut'ah and [eating] the flesh of donkey." Saheeh Muslim.
Sabrah bin Ma'bad al-Juhani reported: "I went forth with the Prophet (SAW) for the conquest of Makkah, and he allowed us mut'ah with women. But we had not even left the city [yet] when it was prohibited by the Messenger of Allah (SAW)." Ibid*
According to al-Bayhaqi, Ja'far as-Sadiq, the sixth Shi'ah imam, regarded mut'ah as fornication. Fath ul-Bari, p. 173
And Ali is reported by ad-Darqutni to have said that mut'ah was abrogated when the Quranic verses about marriage, divorce, iddah (the mandatory period of waiting before a widowed or divorced woman can remarry), and inheritance were revealed. Muta, p.11.
Additionally, there are four hadiths quoted in Saheeh al-Bukhari under the title "The Prophet (SAW) finally forbade mut'ah." Three of these relate to the incidents of mut'ah during the early period of Islam. In the fourth hadith, Ali (PBUH) said to Ibn e Abbas (PBUH) that the Prophet (SAW) forbade mut'ah and the meat of domesticated donkeys on the day of Khaybar. And in Saheeh Muslim a group of traditions which go back to Sabrah bin Ma'bad substantiate that the Prophet (SAW) permitted mut'ah in the year of the conquest of Makkah. Sabrah went with a companion to a woman, and each offered her a cloak in exchange for mut'ah. She chose the younger person with a shabbier cloak (i.e., Sabrah) and slept with him for three nights. Thereafter, Sabrah related, the Prophet (SAW) forbade it forever.
A Shi'ah might object to the aforementioned information because it is from Sunni sources. The fact is, however, that the Quran itself negates the Shi'ah concept of mut'ah. First, the verse Shi'ahs present in support of mut'ah should be examined. The last part of the verse reads:
"And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation." Surah an-Nisa, 4:24
This verse clearly emphasizes the concept of chastity thru legal marriage. Mut'ah on the other hand, is an open license for loose pleasure with as many women as one can financially afford. The women who engage in mut'ah are hired women: thus, it can be performed with any woman irrespective of her age, character, conduct or religion. It requires no witnesses, nor is there any obligation on the man's part to provide food and shelter for the woman, not to speak of a child born of the relationship. The only precondition is that the woman agress to the price and length of the mut'ah and that the man pays her the compensation when he has relations with her. One can discern for himself wether such a practice would promote chastity or lead to sheer promiscuity.
Two terms in the verse under discussion are used by Shi'ah commentators to support the permissibility of mut'ah. The first word is "ujur" (pl. of ajr), which means "compensation"; the second is "istamta'tum," which can be translated as "what you have enjoyed." So the end of the verse could be translated: "But give them [in keeping with your promise]." Shi'ah commentators claim that "ajr" refers to the price of mut'ah agreed upon by the two parties, while Sunnis/Wahabis uphold that it refers to the mahr (a bridal gift given by the husband to the wife in a legal marriage). Similarly, Shi'ahs explain the term "istamta'tum" as the physical act of consummation. However, this is invalidated by the use of the same word in other Quranic verses:
"They had enjoyment [fastamta'u] of their portion [of worldly life], and you have had enjoyment [fastamta'tum] of yours as those before you enjoyed [istamta'a] theirs." Surah at-Tawbah, 9:69
"Their friends among men will say, Our Lord, we enjoyed [astamta'a] *each other but have reached our term." Surah al-An'am, 6:128
"And on the day that the disbelievers will be placed before fire, [it will be said to them], 'You used up your good things in the life of this world and enjoyed* [wastamta'tum] them." Surah al-Ahqaf, 46:20
The aforementioned Quranic verses contain different forms of this same word. Yet, none of them gives a hint of the meaning interpreted by the Shi'ahs. In fact, Shi'ahs do not relate any of these verses to their concept of mut'ah.
Other verses of the Quran contain derivatives of the root (Ay'ain, Meem, Ta'ay) which comprises the word "mut'ah" (literally, "enjoyment"), such as "tamatta'a" ("to enjoy") and "matta'a" ("to give enjoyment"). For example:
"So have you considered if We gave them enjoyment [matta'nahum] for years and then there came to them that which they were promised? They would not be availed by that which they were given to enjoy [yumatta'un]." Surah ash-Shura, 26:205-207
We grant them enjoyment [numatti'uhum] for a little; then We will force them to a harsh punishment." Surah Luqman, 31:24
Any claim that this word, designating enjoyment or provision in a general sense, carries a specific connotation in connection with marriage can easily be refuted by presenting other verses which not only deal with the subject in question but contain the same derivatives. These are as follows:
"There is no blame upon you if you have divorced women whom you have not touched * or specified for them an obligation *. But give them [a gift of] compenstaion [matti'uhunna]. The wealthy has his capibility and the poor has his capibility - a provision [matan'an] according to what is acceptable, an obligation upon the righteous." Surah al-Baqarah, 2:236
"O Prophet, say to your wives, 'If you desire the life of this world and its glitter, then come, I will provide for you [umatti'kunna] * and set you free in a handsome manner." Surah al-Ahzab, 33:28*
"O you who have believed, when you marry believing women and then divorce them before you have touched them, no period of waiting have you to count in respect to them. So give them provision [matti'uhunna] and set them free in a handsome manner." Surah al-Ahzab, 33:49
Thus, a careful examination of the term "istamta'a" and related words throughtout the Quran shows that there is no basis for an assumption that in verse 4:24 there is a reference to temporary marriage. This is further clarified by the verse which follows it, one which the Shi'ahs have chosen to ignore:
"So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is reasonable." Surah an-Nisa, 4:25
Despite the fact that this verse deals with marriage to slaves, the reference is obviously to a regular legal marriage since permission is not necessary in mut'ah. While Shi'ahs prefer their own interpretation of a single verse over all evidence to the contrary, the Muslim Ummah unanimously upholds that mut'ah has been abrogated by all of the Quranic veses that speak about marriage, divorce, inheritance, dower, the guardian's permission, the iddah of divorced and widowed women, etc.
Additionally, the following verse describing the believers leaves no doubt that mut'ah is unlawful to them:
"...And they who guard their priave parts except from their wives or those their right hand possess..." Surah al-Muminun, 23: 5-6
Explaining these words, Ibn Abbas said, "All other ways of contact except these two are forbidden." Tafseer related by at-Tirmidhi.
As mentioned earlier, Shi'ahs claim that it was Hazrat Umer (PBUH) who forbade the practice of mut'ah and that mut'ah was practiced openly during the lifetimes of the Prophet (SAW) and Hazrat Abu Bakr (PBUH). Sunnis acknowledge that Hazrat Umer (PBUH) again (after the initial prohibitions of the Prophet {SAW}) declared mut'ah to be illegal, but they add that he did not initiate the ruling himself. Hazrat Umer (PBUH) was elected caliph just two and a half years after the Prophet's death. Around him were the respected family members and companions of the Prophet (SAW). Had Hazrat Umer (PBUH)'s declaration been contrary to the Prophet (SAW)'s practice, a number of those noble people would certainly have objected to it. Yet, nowhere in Islamic history is recorded a single protest against his announcement. Furthermore, since Hazrat Umer (PBUH) was later succeeeded by Hazrat Usman (PBUH) and then by Hazrat Ali (PBUH), had Hazrat Umer (PBUH)'s statement been contrary to the ruling of the Prophet (SAW), at least one of them should have reestablished the practice of mut'ah. Again, there are no records of such a revision. Oddly enough, in the voluminous book, Nahj al-Balaghah (said to be a collection of Hazrat Ali's sermons and other sayings wherein he persented various aspects of Islam and Muslim state), not a single word in favor of mut'ah was mentioned. Had Hazrat Umer (PBUH) been wrong, nothing would have prevented Hazrat Ali (PBUH) from condemning it. The fact is that from the time of the Prophet's death there has been a consensus within the Muslim Ummah about the illegality of mut'ah. Some people were apparently unaware of its prohibition and may have contracted it after the Prophet (SAW)'s death. Consequently, when Hazrat Umer (PBUH) knew of it, he made a further public declaration against mut'ah and enforced the ruling in his capacity as Caliph and head of the Islamic state.
The concept of Mut'ah as explained by Shi'ah Sources
The following citations from th most recognized sources of Shi'ah beliefs and practices elaborate on the concept of mut'ah. They need to be presented that one may determine wether mut'ah promotes chastity, as desired by Almighty Allah, or exactly the opposite.
women eligible for mut'ah as explained by Shi'ah sources
"Mut'ah is allowed with all types of women. She may be un married, married, widowed or may belong to any sect, group or religion. She may be a Christian, Jew or Muslim. However, mut'ah with a Majusi (Magian) woman is permissible only when one is helpless." Tahdheeb al-Ahkam, p.188
Zararah said: "I asked the imam (i.e., Jafar as-Sadiq) with how many different girls one can contract mut'ah. He answered, 'With as many as one likes. These women are like hired females.'" Furu al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 191
"If one desires, he may have mut'ah with one thousand women since these are like hired women." Tahdheeb al-Ahkam, p.188
"The narrator asked Imam Jafar as-Sadiq, 'In al-Kufah there is a woman known for her dubious character. Can I engage in mut'ah with her?' The imam said, 'Yes, you may engage in mut'ah with her.'" Ibid, vol. 2, p.249
"Aban bin Tughlaq related that he said to Imam Jafar as-Sadiq, 'Often during my travels I come across a very beautiful woman and am not sure if she has a husband or if she is an adulteress or if she is one of dubious character.' The imam responded, 'Why should you worry about all of these things? Your duty is to believe what she says. If she says that she has no husband, then you should engage in mut'ah with her.'" Furu al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 196; Tahdheeb al-Ahkam, p. 187
"Jameel bin ad-Dari said that he asked Imam Jafar as-Sadiq if mut'ah was permissible with an unmarried female. The imam said, 'There is no harm in it if the female is not too young. However, all of the collectors of hadith agree that a nine year old girl is not considered too young.'" Furu al-Kafi, p. 196
Contracting Mut'ah as explained by Shi'ah sources
"When Hisham Salim asked how one should contract mut'ah, Imam Jafar as-Sadiq answered that one should say, 'I am marrying you for this period of time for this amount [of money]. When the prescribed period is over, there will be annulment and no iddah after that.'" Tahdheeb al-Ahkam, p. 183
"The narrator asked Imam al-Baqir about the women of mut'ah. The imam said, 'She is not among those four [classified as wives] because she neither needs a divorce nor is entitle to any inheritance. She is like a hired woman!'" Tahdheeb al-Ahkam, p. 188; Man la Yahdhuruhul-Faqeeh, p. 139; Usul al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 191
"There is no need for witnesses or any open declaration in mut'ah." Tahdheeb al-Ahkam, vol. 189
"One may have loose relations with the woman contracted for mut'ah any number of times he desires." Furu al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 195
** The price of Mut'ah as explained by Shi'ah sources**
"The narrator asked Imam Jafar as-Sadiq, 'What should be the minimum compensation for mut'ah? The Imam said, 'Anything that the two parties agree upon.'" Ibid, p. 189
"Mut'ah is a marriage that may last for a very short time. It needs no witnesses, and it has no period of iddah. The minimum compensation that coule be paid to the female for loose relations is one dirham." Furu al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 194; Man La Yahdhuruhul-Faqeeh, vol. 3, p. 149; Tahdheeb al-Ahkam, p. 189
** the Merits of Mut'ah as explained by Shi'ah sources**
"No one can close the door of blessings which Allah opens for His servants. Imam Jafar as-Sadiq said, 'Mut'ah is one of the blessings of Allah.'" Tafseer al-Qummi, p.308
"If a man contracts mut'ah once in his lifetime, Allah will grant him Paradise." Minhaj as-Sadiqeen, p. 356
"It is narrated by Imam al-Baqir that the Prophet (SAW) said: 'When I was being taken to Heaven during the Mi'raj (ascension), Jibreel met me and told me, "O Muhammad, Allah has promised to forgive all of your sins of those women who practice mut'ah."'" Man La Yahdhuruhul-Faqeeh p. 150. It must be noted that this and the following narrations attributed to the Prophet (SAW) are forged and thus must not be misconstructed as being an authentic hadith from the sunnah
"Imam Jafar as-Sadiq narrated from the Prophet (SAW) that one third of the body is saved from the Hellfire if one contracts mut'ah once. Two thirds of the body is saved if one contracts mut'ah twice, and the whole body is saved from Hell if one contracts mut'ah three times." Minhaj as-Sadiqeen, p. 354
"The Prophet (SAW) said: 'The man who contracts mut'ah once will be saved from the Hellfire. One who contracts it twice will be in the company of virtous men [in Paradise]. And the one who contracts it three times will be my companion in Firdaws [the highest level of Paradise].'" Ibid., p. 356 **a forged narration.**
"One who engages in mut'ah once attins the status of Imam al-Husayn. One who engages in it twice becomes equal in status to Imam al-Hasan. The one who performs it three times reaches the position of Imam Ali. And he who practices it four times acquires the level and position [equal to that] of the Prophet (SAW)." Ibid.
"It is narrated that once the Prophet (SAW) was sitting among his companions and the discussion came to the topic of mut'ah. The Prophet (SAW) said, 'Do you know what is the reward of mut'ah?' The companions answered, 'No." The Prophet (SAW) then said, 'Jibreel just came to me and said, "O Muhammad, Allah sends His blessings to you and commands you to instruct your ummah to engage in the practice of mut'ah since this is the practice of [Allah's] virtuous servants."'" Ibid.
"'Ali asked the Prophet (SAW), 'What is the reward to the person who participates in the virtuous deed of arranging the mutual meetings of a man and woman?' The Prophet (SAW) said, 'He will receive the same reward as the two who engage in mut'ah.'" Minhaj as-Sadiqeen, p. 356. **A forged hadith**
Denial of Mut'ah as explained by Shi'ah sources
"One who does not believe that we * will reappear and rule [the world in the future] and one who does not believe in the sanctity of mut'ah is not from among us." Ibid, p. 354
"The Prophet (SAW) said: 'The men and women who die without performing mut'ah even once in their lives will appear on the Day of Judgement with their ears and nose cut and [their faces] deformed.'" Ibid., p. 354, **a forged hadith**
Reward for females who return their payment as explained by Shi'ah sources
"For the female who donates back her compenstion to the person who contracted mut'ah with her and for the female who foregoes her dowry, Allah will rewrd her with 40,000 cities of light and 70,0000 dresses of velvet and silk brocade... And Allah will reward her with 70,000 more dresses from Heaven for each quarter of a dirham she donates back... And for each quarter of a dirham Allah will also assign 1,000 angels who will continue writing merits in her account until Day of Judgement." Tafseer al-Qummi, p. 357
Shi'ahs claim that it was Allah and His Prophet (SAW) who made mut'ah a blessing for the Muslim Ummah. The following citations attributed to Imam Abu Jafar as Sadiq illustrate:
"The Quran was revealed to declare the sanctity of mut'ah. The Prophet (SAW) also practiced mut'ah." Furu al-Kafi, p. 23. May Allah forgive me for quoting such a derogatory statement about the Prophet (SAW) in order to preserve the objectivity of the argument
"Allah has prohibited all intoxicating drinks for the Shi'ahs, but instead He has granted them mut'ah." Man La yahdhuruhul-Faqeeh, vol. 2, p. 151
"The Quran was revealed to justify the mut'ah, and people practiced it in accordance with the sunnah of the Prophet (SAW)." Furu al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 120
Two important points should be recalled concerning the aforementioned quotations. The alleged sayings of the Shi'ah imams are classified by them as "hadiths." Technically, Shi'ahs make no distinction between the sayings of the Prophet (SAW) and those of their imams, which serve as foundation of Shi'ah faith and practice.
The preceding citations are from authentic and recognized Shi'ah sources. Tafseer al-Qummi and Tafseer Minhaj al-Sadiqeen were two of the earliest original Shi'ah commentaries on the Quran. Additionally, Usul al-Kafi and Furu al-Kafi are the most fendamental sources of Shi'ah narrations. The earlier editions of both "Kafis" had an inscription on the title page, reading: "Accoring to Imam al-Mahdi, this book is Kafi [sufficient] for our Shi'ahs." The other two books quoted from are Tahdheeb al-Ahkam and Man La Yahdhuruhul-Faqeeh. These along with Usul al-Kafi and Furu al-Kafi, are classified among the four basic source books of Shi'ah beliefs called "al-kutub al-arba'ah" and are regarded as the most reliable sources of Shi'ah fiqh.
One could perhaps assume that these sources are obsolete and that contemporary Shi'ah scholars do not propogate such beliefs about mut'ah. In order to dispel such misconceptions, presented below are two citations from the work of Mullah Baqir al-Majlisi, whom Ayatullah Khomeini considered to be an authority on Shi'ah doctrine. It should be recalled that al-Majlisi, who died just over 300 years ago, is one of the most respected Shi'ah scholars. He wrote approximately sixty voluminous books. In several of his own writings Khomeini has referred to al-Majlisi's works. As a matter of fact, Khomeini recommended in his Kashf al-Asrar (p. 121) that Shi'ahs read al-Majlisi's books, one of which deals exclusively with the merits of mut'ah. It has been translated into Urdu by a contemporary Shi'ah scholar named Syed Mohammad Jafar Qudsi under the title Ijala Hasna. The following quotations are from this source:
"The Prophet (SAW) said, 'One who performs mut'ah with a believing woman is like the one who visits the House of God * seventy times.'" Ijala Hasan, p. 16 A forged hadith
"[For the] one who excels in this virtuous deed [of mut'ah], Allah wil raise his levels [of faith and piety]... [on the Day of Judgement] he will pass on the bridge over Hell with speed of light... Seventy rows of angels will accompany him..., and he will enter Paradise without giving the account [of his life]. O 'Ali, one who helps a fellow Muslim brother [to contract mut'ah] will also receive these blessings and rewards." Ibid, p. 17
In conclusion is a quotation from Mr. Khomeini:
"It is permissible to engage in mut'ah with a fornicator woman but with a disliking in [one's] heart, especially if she is a well-known and professional fornicator. When a person contracts mut'ah with her, he should advise her to quit the profession of fornication." Khomeini, A.R., Tahreer al-Waseelah
In other words, a man should first have his loose gratification with a prostitute and then advise her to quit her profession.
Now it is left to the reader's judgement to decide if the practice of mut'ah is in harmony with the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW). Would such a practice establish a society based upon piety, righteousness and chastity, or rather, would it open doors to lust, lewdness and debauchery? The aformentioned citations are diametrically opposed to the Sunni position, based upon Quran and authentic prophetic hadith, in which mut'ah has ben totally forbidden and thus regarded as adultery and prostitution.
For the benefit of a casual reader of this forum who could possibly have been mislead by the citations given above, it must be reiterated that never did the Prophet (SAW), Hazrat Ali (PBUH) or Jafar as-Sadiq declare the "sanctity and blessings" of mut'ah. The fact is that none of the books of authentic hadith document any of these statements; instead, in order to justify mut'ah, Shi'ahs have wrongfully attributed these statements to noble people and in so doing have injured the reputations of those magnanimous personalities.
Unfortunately, very few people realize the significant difference between Sunni and Shi'ah beliefs. Most Shi'ah writings and preachings revolve around the emotional issues of love for the Prophet (SAW)'s family members, the virtues of Hazrat Ali (PBUH), the martyrdom of al-Husayn, etc. A number of people are attracted to Shi'ism because of the sensitivity and emotional nature of these issues. They do not realize that Shi'ahs have grossly misrepresented the Quran, as well as distorted and forged hadiths. The concocted belief in the sanctity and merits of mut'ah is a classic example of such distortion.
Islamic history has shown that whereever Shi'ahs have gained political power, legislation in favor of mut'ah was enforced - even at the cost of human life. During the reign of Akbar (the great Mogul emperor) in India, the chief justice, Qadhi Yaqub Manikpuri, was sentenced to death for his verdict that mut'ah was not permissible in Islam. Rooh e Kausar, p. 102. Many people who came from Indo-Pakistan subcontinent testified to the fact that a number of Sunni head of state in the yet undivided India embraced Shi'ism only to indulge their lust, justifying it through the doctrine of mut'ah. And when prostitution was legalized by the British in India, a great many prostitutes came initially from among the Shi'ahs, perhaps practicing it as a virtuous deed.
One might wonder how this "religious obligation" might be organized under a Shi'ah system. Would the state or community issue religious licenses to a few virtuous women to take up the profession of mut'ah on a full-time basis or would devout Shi'ahs allow their wives, mothers, sisters and daughters to participate in the virtues of mut'ah in their free time? Indeed, not one of the Shi'ah books of "hadith" or fiqh has presented an answer.****
Very good RD;
Make the post so long that everyone gets lost. Add the word [Marriage] in italics in the verse of mut'a so that you can change its meaning. Good job.
Now, who really banned mut'a. Let's see what YOUR sunni books say:
In a famous sermons the second caliph Umar banned Mut'a with the following words:
"Two Mut'a were practiced during the time of the Prophet: Mut'a of women and Mut'a of Hajj, but I forbid both of them and will punish anyone who practices either."
References:
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v3, commentary of verse 4:24
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p52
Is the reference from Ahmed ibn Hanbal good enough for you or you don't trust him as well ?
Umar says it beautifully. Mut'a was practised at the time of the prophet (pbuh) and during Abu Baker's reign. It was Umar who abolished it.
Period.
Well! If Umar abolished it - it is abolished! Now many may argue who is Umer and what right does he have to make something legal or illegal in Islam. Well from my understanding is that Islam is also a way of life which eveolves over time and sticks to its basic roots (the Quran and the SUnnah).
So, since there is no direct evidence that Muhammad never abolished OR permitted "Mu'taa"... I would think that Umar made the right decision as the "Mutaa" would never fit into a civilised society. I am not saying that Islam is incomplete... but it just needs to fit into the times.
Haz. Umar being the leader of the muslims during his time had full authority to do so!
Now, how would a girl feel if she was asked to do "Mut'aa" ???? I don't think any females would agree with that. If the Shi'a's think Mut'aa is lawfull - the question is are their women practising it????
They might give excuses that in certain circumstances it becomes legal - like if a woman is raped and she needs to proove her trustworthiness to a man etc etc etc......
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...but, despite my limited knowldge, I still think it is umpermitted.
So Umar banned something that is permitted by Allah (swt) and his holy apostle (pbuh).
The holy apostle (pbuh) was not fit enough to see whether mut'a conformed to Islamic society needs but Umar was ? Very good. History has already told us how smart Umar really was.
Both men and women have the right to choose whether they want to be in a mut'a relationship or not, just as they have the right to choose in marriage. No one is forced into anything.
Why is it that when it comes to mut'a, you all make it sound as though anyone is forced into anything.
And by the way, no father or brother or any other example that you all throw out has the right to control their daughters and sisters. Women have equal rights to men and are free to choose with whom they want to be with. This applies equally to men. For both permanent and mut'a marriages, Islam has guaranteed the individual's right to choose within certain boundaries.
RD&P, a very thorough article from your side, let me save it for future use.
astaghfayrulla hay rabbi… the verse Mr. Whatever has pointed out above is absolutely misinterpreted. The way it is deliberately translated only reflects man’s unquenched desire, not a single spiritual tint to appreciate. (or does it?)
Let me browse some lexicons and will get back to its actual translation and transliteration, very soon.
However in the mean time read this sex-perverted-frustrating situation in Iran ”Rape and murder on rise in Tehran”](BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Rape and murder on rise in Tehran) and the religious-based solution they chalked out… Love Finds a Way in Iran: ‘Temporary Marriage’](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001541.html).
Looking at shiaism make me wonder what an inhumaine ideology it is. Is this Allah’s chosen religion, I doubt.
You people associate yourself with ahle-e-bait, does they allowed you or practiced themselves such silly rituals, I can bet, NO they were all very clean personalities, its the later creed which corrupted the teachings according to their inborn desires..
Keep it up girl.
Appreciatively yours,
Zalim
[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited March 28, 2001).]
Question to A1shah:
Would you let your sister/mother perform muta with any of the members of Gupshup or any one in this world for 10 mins, or 2 hours, or 10 days, or 2 weeks, or one month, or 1 year?
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R&D
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I dont understand, if you wanna have a discussion why do you guys have to bring mothers and sisters along, dont tell me its just to prove your point thas absurd.
jahil logoun ka kaam hey maa behn ko beech mein laana..
Yarooo mein bara pareshan ek larki jawaaan
Hai woh barii shaitaan mujhay kar gayi hairaan
Kaisay karoun inkaar wo jo karaing Izhaar
Sherry, why don't you answer the question? It hurts you when someone brings mothers and sisters in the discussion and asks you a question about them regarding mutah, doesn't it?
You OK doing muta with mothers and sisters of other people, why do you have problem when someone asks you if YOU would allow that(muta) with your mothers and sisters?
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Originally posted by Thanda Meetha Paani:
**Sherry, why don't you answer the question? It hurts you when someone brings mothers and sisters in the discussion and asks you a question about them regarding mutah, doesn't it?
You OK doing muta with mothers and sisters of other people, why do you have problem when someone asks you if YOU would allow that(muta) with your mothers and sisters?
**
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Mutah is a temporary marriage and the girl is a legal wife so R&G and you ppl got wrong there, you people need to do some more research before spitting at others.
Mutah can last for an hour or years depending how the two couples get along with each other, dont forget it can be converted to permanent marriage if everything goes right.
You can say mutah is like an engagement and its not necessary to have sex during the contract, you can also have an agreement of not having sex.
In permanent marriage it can also last for hours or years again depending how they get along..right? you can fulfill your desires and then divorce the person within an hour..you know what I mean..
persnonally its really hard for me to digest the FACT of mutah. I do believe , it was prevalent at the time of Prophet Muhammed (SAWS) and it was aboragated at the caliphate of hazrat Umar,but I havent seen any shia practicing mutah nowadays.
Same as four marriages we all know its allowed but why we pakistani people usually dont practice, it just doesnt seem applicable for us..
Yarooo mein bara pareshan ek larki jawaaan
Hai woh barii shaitaan mujhay kar gayi hairaan
Kaisay karoun inkaar wo jo karaing Izhaar
[quote]
Originally posted by Thanda Meetha Paani:
**Sherry, why don't you answer the question? It hurts you when someone brings mothers and sisters in the discussion and asks you a question about them regarding mutah, doesn't it?
You OK doing muta with mothers and sisters of other people, why do you have problem when someone asks you if YOU would allow that(muta) with your mothers and sisters?
**
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The problem I have is that most people on this board never read or try to understand the reasoning behind some issues.
For example, why would ones's mother do mut'a when she is already married ? Then why bring such points up. An un-wedded sister can choose to have mut'a but this is her choice. Why should you have anything against that ? Do you control your sisters in your family to the point that they should just obey subserviently what the brother says.
You all admit that at one time mut'a was allowed. But now you equate it with prostitution.
So what you are saying is that at ONE time, the holy apostle (pbuh) allowed prostitution, even though he banned it later.
Just think about what you are saying.
Logic is never used but mothers and sisters are brought in to stir conversations. Do you use such arguments with your western counter parts or only here at gupshup where everyone gets hyper about anything involving mothers and sisters.
Stick to the topic.
The second problem is this. In order to get to the truth, you need to analyze certain points such as:
1) When was the quranic ayat revealed ?
2) In what context ?
3) Was this verse abrogated ?
4) If so, did the verse abrogating a previous verse come before or after the verse being abrograted ?
5) Do the hadiths you present seem logical and conform with known events ?
6) Is the hadith related by a single source or by many sources ?
7) If the hadith has come through many sources, did they all originate from a single source or from multiple sources ?
8) Are the narrators known to be trust worthy ?
These are just some of the many points that no one cares about these days. Cut n'paste jobs are the central themes.
This is the reason why even after 1400 yrs, there are still difference s of opinion.
Honestly speaking, I do not much care whether you believe in mut'a or not. For those who want to seek the truth, they would want to have to dig into the facts for themselves.
In this holy month of muharram, it will be more beneficial for all to understand the sacrificies that Imam Hussain (as) had to perform in order to save Islam from the tyrant Yazid. Through this, it is hoped that both sunnis and shias can forge brotherly unity.
Wa Salam.
Ver Very Nice Job RD. Everything is beutifully explained and i appreciate ur knowlege about Islam.
a1shah no dout its so long but it is worth reading. I will suggest that u get some time and read it carefully, it will help u a lot.
By the way i want to share my personal feeling about mutah girls. There can no such disgrace for woman than practicing mutah cause this practice makes her a Hired Woman and every body knows what a hired woman mean. I think one woman should choose to die before being a Hired Woman.
RD can u explain one more thing please. What does right hand possession mean? I mean i want to read it in detail if possible for u.