How Can We Begin To Unite?

How Can We Begin To Unite?
By
Lena Winfrey Seder

“Divided we fall, united we stand,” said former US President Abraham Lincoln. How true are his words when applied to the situation of Muslims today. We are separated and divided on petty issues, and we are so weak that the Western World is playing with our lives like a football. We invite them play with us. In the past, the Muslim world was under occupation and colonialism. Today, it is under cultural imperialism and controlled by Western economies. Today, we have immorality spreading like a contagious disease. Ignorance and poverty abound in some Third-World countries. Ignorance meaning not only illiteracy but also ignorance of their own religion. Even Muslims living in the West are subjected to racism and hate crimes. They do not always get their full rights or even full respect as human beings. Yet, who is working to change all the problems Muslims are facing? When will all Muslims unite and take their rights and freedom? This is the problem. We are divided and falling deeper and deeper into a dark abyss. We need to unify and rescue ourselves. Though it is not easy to do, it is possible if we do a few things. We first have to change ourselves, then Allah will change our condition. To unify we must increase morality and closeness to Allah, build an Islamic economic base, break prejudices between Muslim groups, get rid of tribalism and nationalism, create an environment for an Islamic culture to grow, in a foreign country be an active group, make dawah to non-Muslims to unify humankind as well as to Muslims to bring them back to Islam, and most importantly be proud and confident as Muslims as well as to educate our children well.
We must increase the morality and practicing of Islam by Muslims worldwide. We must teach all Muslims their religion correctly. We must support each other in the practice of our religion. We must pay special attention to new Muslims and give them the needed help to grow in Islam. They are like tender flowers that need protection and nourishment. It is our duty to take care of their needs. We need to bring straying Muslims back into the fold of Islam. We must support and sacrifice for each other and really live as brothers and sisters in Islam. The problem is Western individualism has divided us and caused many to become selfish and “me-conscious.” A Muslim must care about those around him and sacrifice for them. His reward comes from Allah. If we unite in brotherhood and strengthen our faith then we will come closer to Allah. If we always remember Allah, then certainly He will remember us, and He will help us and rescue us from our dire situation. Unity is through brotherhood/sisterhood and through worshipping Allah together as well as through Islamic work and projects we do together.
Muslims in the world are also weakened by having to depend on a non-Muslim economic base that is designed to work against Islam and to hold back developing Muslim countries. Muslims living in a non-Muslim society are trapped by this economy. We must bring our best Muslim economists and Muslim scholars together to discuss ways of developing an Islamic economic base and system that can work independently from the Western economic base. If we can ever free ourselves from their economy, then they have no pressure to force us to work against other Muslim countries or to go against Islamic laws. If we can produce a united Muslim economy, we can make it 100% halal and be self-independent. This may be a long way off, but we must begin now and work towards this. If we unite in economy and in business, then insha’Allah this will lead the Muslims to unite in other ways, too.
We divide ourselves even more than outside forces. Different Muslim groups or schools fight over petty differences and won’t even work together. They should be ashamed of themselves! What would the Prophet (peace be upon him) say if he could see them now? Islam is a religion of balance, and the Prophet (p) told us to balance things in our lives. We should not go from one extreme to another extreme. Islam is an easy religion; Allah is merciful so he gave us some differing opinions that are all based upon Qur’an and hadith, so all are valid. We must respect all schools whether we agree with them or not. Instead of dividing on small issues, why not unite on common ground with the main things of religion? If one says the shahadatain: “Ash hadu Ana la ilha illa Allah wa ash hadu ana Mohamedan Rasoolluh,” then he is a Muslim. We have, for example, some from Shafi school who won’t pray behind a Hanafi. This is ridiculous! We are all Muslims praying to the same god, Allah, so we should be united in faith and spirit. We should love one another and overlook and accept valid differences. If there is something a Muslim is really practicing wrong, then in a nice way teach him Islam by showing him in the Qur’an or hadith the correct way. If it is a difference of schools, then Muslims need to educate themselves on the views of all the schools.
We need to learn to make dialogue together without yelling, fighting or hating and without having wars. The enemies of Islam like to see us fight and sometimes they stir up trouble to drive us to fight each other. By the way, the Prophet (p) said that when two Muslims draw swords and kill each other, they both go to Hell. So this should remind us not to fight each other! Even Sunni and Shia must learn to work together. I am a Sunni Muslim, but I have met and know some Shia and they practice Islam just like me. True there are different sects of Shia and some are close to Sunni, but maybe before Muslims spread more gossip about Shias they should try to really learn what they believe. Someone, for political reasons, has tried to turn Sunni and Shia against each other just to weaken the Muslims. Yes, there are some sects of Shia who may have innovated and yes there may be some who are outside of Islam. But the majority just has a few differences, like a school. So, what Muslims need to do is to learn to stop hating and to cooperate against the common enemies. As long as one says the “shadahtan” he is still a Muslim though he may be misguided or a sinner. We need to peacefully sit down together and have dialogue among ourselves and get everyone back on the right track by following only the Qur’an and Sunnah. So, let us first unite, conquer our enemies, build our Islamic State and then educate our Muslim society in the correct way. We can’t solve the problem or our differences if we don’t even have the Caliphate. We all must share in this jihad (struggle) through all different means available whether speaking, writing, teaching or even fighting when necessary.
Another big obstacle between Muslims is tribalism and nationalism. In the Prophet’s (p) “Farewell Sermon” he said that tribalism was under his feet. We need to tell this to Bedouins and Muslim African tribes who still shed blood for silly feudal reasons. (Also, sometimes greed and power play a part in these disputes). We must educate these people about Islam and bring brotherhood between them. We need to become as one big family. This also includes nationalism. It is all right to love one’s country and to be proud of one’s ancestors and heritage, but some people take this too far. Sure, the Prophet (p) loved Mecca but finished living his life in Medina. He was among his family the Ansar (Helpers) and the Muhajeeren (Immigrants). We need to carry this same attitude and break the borders. All Muslims are one big family and must care for each other like a family. We need to unite by all Muslims attempting to learn Arabic (at least Qur’an) at some level because of their religion while all Muslims should attempt to learn a foreign language (or two) in order to communicate with fellow Muslims from other countries. We need this communication. Islam is designed for us to live in a global world because it is universal for all times and all places. There is no discrimination in Islam. So, to advance Islam and to regain the Caliphate, we must push globalization of Islam by first starting with ourselves by reforming our souls and characters.
In becoming one big worldwide family, as Allah meant for us to be, we must create an Islamic culture. We can forget other cultures. Islam is a way of life and it should be our leading culture. Islam has everything we need. If one’s culture has something good, then keep it and share it with all Muslims, for example methods of organization, but if there is something bad in one’s culture and it is against Islam then he must throw it away. We should work towards Islam pervading all fields and really being a way of life. Islam must be in science, medicine, politics, education, literature, arts and so forth. This is the way to have an Islamic culture and an Islamic society. We can push Islamic culture to the forefront. If we change the world, then make it Islamic. Christians, Jews and others can have their own religions, but they will live under Islam. Islam will be the leader as it should be. They will have their rights; all citizens of the Islamic State will have their rights. The Prophet (p) had the Islamic State in Medina which was comprised of Muslims, Jews and even hypocrites but it operated by Islamic Law. The system of Islam must bring truth, justice, equality and fairness, as it is meant to bring.

If Muslims live in a non-Muslim country, then they should be active and confident. It is their duty to establish Islam and to unite together and to strengthen each other. They should collect money and build mosques, Islamic schools and health centers. They should buy houses and apartment buildings in the same neighborhood and collect the Muslims in one area so they can live and work together. It is best to try to live near the mosque, if possible. All Muslims, regardless of race or language should live in this community. It is the Muslim family. Men, especially, should try to go to the mosque daily. Lessons and lectures should be held regularly for men and women. Also, youth activities need to be organized. These Muslims must build a strong political voice and get involved in voting and political activities. They need a Muslim lobby so they can work for the rights of Muslims in that country as well as working to impact policies that deal with other Muslim countries. Already, American Muslim Council (AMC) is working in the US towards Muslim political empowerment, but they really need the support of all the Muslims.
When choosing a president, one must choose the best candidate who stands for Muslim interests; he must choose the lesser of the two evils. One day, a Muslim may even become the leader of that country and then he’ll be in a position to make positive changes for everyone in the society. A Muslim must be concerned, even about non-Muslims and he should always work for the benefit of all humankind.
Another way of not only unifying Muslims but humankind is by educating non-Muslims about the true Islam to put down their fears and prejudices as well as being able to invite them to Islam. It is our duty to carry on dawah activities. However, before individuals choose to make dawah to non-Muslims, and even to other Muslims, he must read, study and educate himself about how to invite others to Islam as well as increasing his overall religious knowledge. This will help insure success. If one approaches another in the wrong way, he may push the person away from Islam rather than attracting him to it. We also need to host and sponsor inter-faith dialogues. We must keep in mind to speak in a respectful and calm way. We should not yell or get angry. We must use wisdom, logic and eloquent language. This should also be applied even when dealing with inviting Muslims to practice Islam. Sometimes we find Muslims discussing religious topics, and they explode, each one so sure he is correct. In times like this, we must remember that anger is from Satan and that Satan wants to divide us. So, we should work hard to hold our tempers and our tongues, even when the other person is wrong. We must be patient and use calm means to convince them.
Most importantly we can become strong and united when all Muslims, no matter where they live, stand up with pride and confidence and pass these feelings onto their children. Unfortunately, I’ve seen some Muslims in the West, and even in the East, who are ashamed to be Muslim and women who take off the Islamic clothing just to blend in. This is wrong. We are not supposed to blend in and get lost. We are supposed to be strong and confident because we have the truth-- Islam. We are supposed to be the leaders. We need to develop our Islamic character and self-esteem and not be afraid. We are living for Allah and not for other human beings. If we blend in and are ashamed, then how will we ever unite and be the leaders of Islam?
Also, we must unite together to make the best education for our children. We need the best methods and enthusiastic, hard-working teachers, as well as enthusiastic givers of charity to support schools and teachers, in order to develop the best religious and academic education we can offer our children-- worldwide. We need local, national and international groups working together. We need to raise the next generation to be without borders and without prejudices. We need to teach them brotherhood and cooperation. The schools and mosques can’t do everything. Parents must unite to tackle today’s problems. They must decide to educate their children at home in religion and manners, and it would be ideal to offer help in academics, too. Parents need to spend time with their children and teach them pride as a Muslim (more than emphasizing a culture). They should involve their children in Islamic activities and create an Islamic environment at home so we don’t lose our children.
Islam is our religion, our culture and our life. The next generations may be our hope and may be the unifiers, if we raise them right. However, we should not just sit and wait for the next generation to do something. We have to work towards this unification now. The result is from Allah. We are only responsible for carrying out our duties. We must be patient. It will take some time. So many Muslims are ready to fight and achieve everything in one day, but it doesn’t work this way. Look at the Prophet’s (p) life and we can see how long his mission took before he succeeded in unifying all of Arabia. It did not happen over-night. It took hard work and patience, which paid off in the end. This teaches us to keep on working and to never give up. One day, insha’Allah, we will be united and will have the Caliphate. Then, we’ll finally live under true Islamic Laws.

The treatment you give to your minorities in Islamic States, will you appreciate if the same is given to your community where they are in minority.

Pls read your own articles, if you are not spreading hatred..

I didn't read anywhere that treating minorities bad is something good in Islam. It is however a Jewish believe, I read somewhere that in some Jewish sects, they are thought that only Jewish people are good and the rest is just bad. Islam doesn't teach taht. Just becasue some people abuse the Islamic Law, doesn't mean that Islam is bad adn you know that too.

'Pls read your own articles, if you are not spreading hatred..'

Now where am I spreading hatred?

Read some of these saying of rabbi's and then tell me that muslims only spread hatred. You have crazy people everywhere. We have jewish family friends who are very nice people and dont follow any of these teachings below. Not all jews are like that, but just look what awful things the rabbi's put in the head of their people. And yet people keep attacking Islam and keep accusing Islam in media worldwide that it's a religion that spreads hatred adn terrorism?!?!
Where in the Quran can you find stuff liek the ones mentioned below?
Islam teaches to treat everyone fairly, muslim or non-muslim, yes non muslims pay tax when they live in muslim society, but muslims pay the zakaat which non-muslims don't because their religion doesn't tell them too. There is a logical reason for everything in Islam. What logics is there in the teachings below?

Sayings of rabbi's:
- saying of Rabbi Simon ben yohai in 1904: Tob shebe goyyim harog. Translation: Even the best of the non-jews all have to be murdered.

  • Saying of rabbi Yaacov Perrin in the New York Times on 27 february 1994: one miljon Arabs are not even worth a Jewish finger nail.

  • Saying of rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, teh director of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (Jewish talmud school) In Nablus: The blood of the Jews is loved by the Lord, that's why the colour of one is redder and is thelife of a Jew chosen above that of others.

-There is a pamflet titled: 5 common duties that the holy ones have to do. In here Ginsburg says: the killing of a non-jew, like a Palestinian by a jew, is principally seen as a good deed en the jews therefor shouldn't feel guilty about it. The pamflet comes from Baruch Goldstein, a jew who killed a gropu of muslims in New Yourk during a prayer.

  • All thisis orthodox judaism. tje judaism is based on the torah, but more on talmud. That is a sort of explanation of the torah, but the rabbi's have twisted the teaching of the torah and presented their lies as a religion. the talmus says in Yebamoth 98a: All non jewish children are animals and in aboday zarah 36b: non jewish girls are in state of niddah (non-purity) from the day of their birth. Sanhedrn 57a gives an explanation for their brute terorism and the takingof palestinian land. This is apparently a permited case, because this passage reads: When a jew kills a non jew, there will be no death penalty, and what the jew steals of a non jew he can keep. Further it says: When an idolator (non jew) hits a jew, he should be killed. This is about the fact that jews react with bullets when little children throw with rocks.

Baba Mezia 59b describes a debate between Allah and a rabbi. The rabbi wins in the debate (may Allah forgive me) and Allah admits the rabbi won the debate.

Again: not all jewish people follow these teachings and not all jewish people are bad.

Maybe the question should be...

How can humanity unite? Rather than Muslims, etc.

When will humans look after the interests of each other, rather than just among those that are like themselves.

AOA
being a muslim, the current situation of muslim unity really hurts me....in my opinion the only weakness and the main reason for this is that we muslim say so but don't have belief on the supermacy of Allah(Naoz o billah)......just like in the time before Islam, we r having or trying to have human lords(although it sounds harsh to be accepted but this is a fact)....
most of us are muslim just because of their birth in a muslim family.......
just think for a while what does KALMA E TAYYABA says..please think for a moment please......its the basic of Islam and is their any confusion in it?....
is their any place for any other lord?

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AOA
being a muslim, the current situation of muslim unity really hurts me....in my opinion the only weakness and the main reason for this is that we muslim say so but don't have belief on the supermacy of Allah(Naoz o billah)......just like in the time before Islam, we r having or trying to have human lords(although it sounds harsh to be accepted but this is a fact)....
most of us are muslim just because of their birth in a muslim family.......
just think for a while what does KALMA E TAYYABA says..please think for a moment please......its the basic of Islam and is their any confusion in it?....
is their any place for any other lord?
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Understandable,

But why should only muslim's be united? Shouldn't everyone be united for the good of all? Not just you, not just me. Everyone Ideally?

I don't know who/what KALMA E TAYYABA is.

I do think Muslim countries should be united, not against others, not by forcing ideas, or frightening people with hellfire, but united in a way that graces all peoples and leading others by the good exemplified.

And I believe that goes for all peoples.

So true, AAG.

one of the main problems I guess is the lack of respect. From both sides, I'm not saying it's the fault of non-muslims alone! But especially Islam is being attacked for silly things like women's hijab, sometimes I hear or read things like only Islam tells women to cover themselves. That is so annoying, while it's in some other religions too, like in Christianity. And a Christian friend of my Dad once told us that there are some very religious Christian groups who also don't eat pigs meat.
While Islam is being ridiculed for having rules like these. Where is the respect and understanding?

Today most of the refugees in the world are muslims. That says something, doesn't it. MOst of the people suppressed on the globe today are muslims. Yet they get all the blame!

There shoudl be respect from two sides, but to tackle their problems, muslims have to unite and work together on fixing their problems. Nobody else will do it for them. They have to do it themselves.

But if you would ask me how, I wouldn't know either, I'm very good at pointing out mistakes... I don't have the answers either. Sorry if I sounded too harsh, I tend to get emotional sometimes...

why shouldn't muslims get united? second it is not implied that they are united against others. But they should be united to rescue another muslim when they are are targeted upon the basis of religion. And with all due respect AAG and yahudi, there is a big idealogy clash between muslims and non muslims. Where alot of people in western countries find me a fundamentalist when i say it i don't think alot of muslims would. "American foriegn policy has serious issues with muslims " as far as i precieve current affairs every muslim is not a terrorist but every terrorist is a muslim. Thats why i think muslim should get united so that weaker nations are not bullied by super powers. And if you check the statistics out, more muslims die in whole world then non muslims every day. I reackon muslims are being picked on, they are being bullied , why ? because they are different, they tend to follow their religion in aspects where non muslims don't. We don't find it a problem when western countries urge each other to sort out their differences then why would you find it objectionable if muslims should be encourgaed to unite on one base _islam.

Dear Sadya, the concept itself is wrong. If you read your own lecture, how much it differs from the uttering of people like Bin Laden & co. Only some of the vocabulary differs and rest, the idea is same and similar.
Do minorities have the equal rights in an Islamic State?

I challenge, if you ask an American Muslim busy in some trading, or in job, if he wants an Islamic American State. His answer will be in negative.

Problem is not in Muslims; they are nice people like people of any other community.
The problem is in the ideology of Islam.
For the ideology of Islam the complete non-Muslim world is disbeliever (who rejects the Ayats), a subject to hell.
What will happen if all Muslims become true Muslims?

AOA
i agree with you Wise Man....we were supposed to think about the unity of muslims just to make things good for ourselves and for other religions too.....miss AAG how did you think about our unity is against peace...if u think that muslims united will cause some serious troubles for peace then you are wrong absolutely....Islam itself is a religion of peace and humanity at its best(if implied exactly)....and i guess the mr.Yahudi you should also consider the facts that how Bin Laden type extremists are born ..what are the reasons behind it....i think you know this Newton's law that every action has got a reaction.....we muslims had no enemity with any other community but why we were being pressurised..tell me a single example of any disputed area in this world where any community other than muslims is being crushed(Kashmir,Palestine,Bosnia,Iraq????)....i don t say that this kind of reaction was right...its bad , really bad...but you must portrait the whole picture....anyways thats not Islam which such terrorists claim...terrorists have no religion.
problem lies in muslims but there is nothing wrong with our religion Islam.

Mr yahudi, suppose you know that a road is broken and it can cause severe injuries. Wouldn't you feel obliged to tell any one you see walking on the road to tell them about whats ahead. Wouldn't you try to save them? That is how your belief works. That is again a matter of faith.
But why only object to islamic idealogy doesn't every religion propose same thing, doesn't christianity and judism talk about similar things. And in judism ( being a yahudi u should know) even if you convert you are not offered the same status. Isn't judism all about chosen people, just because you don't see muslims on this forum attacking other religions doesn't mean they find other religions perfect.SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHY ONLY OBJECT TO ISLAMIC TEACHINGS? Why do you always pick on islam?

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*SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHY ONLY OBJECT TO ISLAMIC TEACHINGS? Why do you always pick on islam?
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Thats his chosen path and from reading his other posts looks like he's specialises in this.

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...Christian groups who also don't eat pigs meat.
While Islam is being ridiculed for having rules like these. Where is the respect and understanding?
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Fortunately, Christianity is not based on eating and drinking, but on doing the will of God, and accepting his grace through Jesus Christ. However if by our eating (or not eating) we offend others, then that is considered a greater a sin. In essence, laws just are a bunch of authoratative rules if the human element is removed from it.
So eat (or don't eat) what you may, for the ones ridiculing you are not true Christians anyway.

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...Today most of the refugees in the world are muslims. That says something, doesn't it. MOst of the people suppressed on the globe today are muslims. Yet they get all the blame!
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Unfortunately most of the people infilcting pain on others around the globe, also claim to be muslim.

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...There shoudl be respect from two sides, but to tackle their problems, muslims have to unite and work together on fixing their problems. Nobody else will do it for them. They have to do it themselves.

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An interesting quotation I read somewhere:
"Only when we realize what we share with our enemies, will peace ever be won."
p.s: The term "enemies" could be defined here as people who we don't always agree with.

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Fortunately, Christianity is not based on eating and drinking, but on doing the will of God, and accepting his grace through Jesus Christ. However if by our eating (or not eating) we offend others, then that is considered a greater a sin. In essence, laws just are a bunch of authoratative rules if the human element is removed from it.
So eat (or don't eat) what you may, for the ones ridiculing you are not true Christians anyway.
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Aren't eating and drinking properly also the will of God? The will of God says, thou shalt not eat pig meat, so why eat it? That is not the will of God. On one hand you say Christianity is not based on eating and drinking and in the same sentence you say it is doing the will of God. I believe a contradiction in terms is going on here...:)

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Unfortunately most of the people infilcting pain on others around the globe, also claim to be muslim.
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Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, the guy who invented the Nuclear bomb, Napolean (I can go on...:)), were not Muslims...Muslims were not responsible for the deaths of 1 million plus children in a period of 12 years...

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An interesting quotation I read somewhere:
"Only when we realize what we share with our enemies, will peace ever be won."
p.s: The term "enemies" could be defined here as people who we don't always agree with.
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P.S. I don't agree with some of your explanations, does that mean we are enemies?:)

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Aren't eating and drinking properly also the will of God? The will of God says, thou shalt not eat pig meat, so why eat it? That is not the will of God. On one hand you say Christianity is not based on eating and drinking and in the same sentence you say it is doing the will of God. I believe a contradiction in terms is going on here...:)
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"Properly" ??? what does that mean? Yes I am still saying there are more important issues in the world than eating and drinking that will promise you eternal life. Maybe the "will of God" is different in Islam, but in Christianity it means much more than merely what goes into your system. More importantly it is what you spew out from it. So don't for a moment think I just made that up, on the contrary it is what Christ himself teaches. Please Read:
Matthew 15:7-20
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[4] "
10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "
12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"
13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides.[5] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."
16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.'

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Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, the guy who invented the Nuclear bomb, Napolean (I can go on...:)), were not Muslims...Muslims were not responsible for the deaths of 1 million plus children in a period of 12
years...
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Yes, but Bin Ladin, Saddam, the Taliban, and the thousands of sucide bombers who calim to be doing jihad on unbelievers are.... and I don't think the world is yet rid of their kind so hang on to your seat, the show has only just begun!

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P.S. I don't agree with some of your explanations, does that mean we are enemies?:)
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Don't twist my words please. I clearly said that it was a quotation I read sometime ago and meant that the word enemy could be replaced here with someone you don't agree with, since "enemy" is a harsh word, and it is not my own quotation in the first place to change.

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Dear Sadya, the concept itself is wrong. If you read your own lecture, how much it differs from the uttering of people like Bin Laden & co. Only some of the vocabulary differs and rest, the idea is same and similar.
Do minorities have the equal rights in an Islamic State?

I challenge, if you ask an American Muslim busy in some trading, or in job, if he wants an Islamic American State. His answer will be in negative.

Problem is not in Muslims; they are nice people like people of any other community.
The problem is in the ideology of Islam.
For the ideology of Islam the complete non-Muslim world is disbeliever (who rejects the Ayats), a subject to hell.
What will happen if all Muslims become true Muslims?
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What concept are you talking about? Which Islamic ideas exactly do you find bad?

In EVERY religion, the followers believe that the people who don't accept that same religion are non-believers. According to Christianity you have to accept Jesus (pbuh) as the Son of God, and in the Trinity which is still one God somehow and all the people who don't accept his are going ot hell too.

What about the JEws, they have osme groups which are the worst. Just look at Zionism! Jews is all about one race, which is 'special' and if anyone converts, he is still not accepted as a complete jew. In Islam, black, white, yellow, whatever muslim is accepted as muslim as long as he is sincere and not a hypocrite.

What's the use of having a religion, if not following that religion you will stil go to heaven? Then we can all do bad things and go to heaven still.
There is a border somewhere between good path and wrong path. All religions, as far as I know, teach this in one way or another.
Why attack Islam alone for that?

At least Islam tells us to treat muslims and non-muslims similar with respect and fairness. While dangerous religions like Zionism teach hatred adn arrogance. Just look at the nice quotes of those lovely rabbi's above! Why don't we hear in the media worldwide the rabbish are preaching hatred, their religion teaches violence, terrrorism, hatred??

And for your information, about muslim traders, my Dad is a trader too, in cloth, but we don't live in America, so I don't know the situation there, but we discussed this many times, and he always presses that an Islamic state with real sharia, not like in the world today where there is no country with full sharia, but if it would have the rules and people would act upon them as they should, it would be the perfect state to live in all ways! And he is a trader.

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*Originally posted by blitz: *

Fortunately, Christianity is not based on eating and drinking, but on doing the will of God, and accepting his grace through Jesus Christ.

Nowadays, majority of modern Christians don't fast or ahve rules applying to food. but in the odler days they were there, also fasting, and eating fish on fridays I think. We used to have an old lady in our neighbourhood, who used to tell us that true religious Catholics also fast, but less days then muslims. I can'temember exactly, I think 16. But strict Catholics still live accroding to these rules. Although they are very less, I met a lady once at a busstop, and she told me she was very religious, she was from some Christian sect, not Jehova anyway, but they didn't even have tv in their home, they were superreligious.

Islam is a whole way of life. Living includes eating and drinking, in the proper way, so you stay healthy. Now years later it has been proven that pork meat is bad for your health. I've read it now in numerous magazines, better to eat it less or completely avoid it. People with too much weight or diabetes here have pork meat on the list of forbidden things to eat. Islam isn't based on eating and drinking, but it does include the rules fo rit as part of way of life. Many things Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) thought us centuries ago, were only later discovered or done by others. Like staying clean, keeping your teeth clean (maswak) jsut as an example.

So eat (or don't eat) what you may, for the ones ridiculing you are not true Christians anyway.

That is true, true Christians like true Muslims, show respect for others.
But respect is a two way street, that is something people forget very often nowadays.

Unfortunately most of the people infilcting pain on others around the globe, also claim to be muslim.

When peopel are oppressed, and nobody ishelping them, they have to do sometihg to be noticed. I'm not saying everyone is holy or right, but there are reasons behind every action. And most of these people who are doing these things, are in fact created by non-muslims.

Look at Palestine for a famous example. Their homes taken, lands taken, accouncts confiscated, children killed, families killed, women's honours taken away, even of very yougn girls! Women in labor, at the posts where the holy Israeli police stand for control, very often ahve to give birth right there in the car, becuase the holy Israeli's won't let the car withthe woman in labor pass, so many many stories. Few times it happens the newborn baby was weak and needed medical care, and as result of Israelie's not letting them pass, died. Now, what harm could a woman in labor pains do???? Is this humanity? Can you then blame for people standing up against the Israeli's? This is just one of hundredsof examples. The whole world (including me when I was ignorant) feels sorry for the Israeli's and condems the Palestinians who are 'terrorists'. Where is humanity in that? When Israeli's answer boys throwing rocks at them with bullets, they are 'defending' themselves, but when Palestinians finally do something back, they are terrorists. Being silent, not doing anything didnt help them. People become desparate, nobody helps, so they have to do something. Palestine/Israel is just of those examples.

Please don't misquote me later, I'm not saying it's oke to kill innocent people, but the socalled "terrorists" you refer to, the "people inflicting pain in the world" are created by the world itself!

An interesting quotation I read somewhere:
"Only when we realize what we share with our enemies, will peace ever be won."

p.s: The term "enemies" could be defined here as people who we don't always agree with.

Again, it should be a two way road .

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*Originally posted by blitz: *

Yes, but Bin Ladin, Saddam, the Taliban, and the thousands of sucide bombers who calim to be doing jihad on unbelievers are....
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They are not doing jihad against unbelievers, but against the unbelievers who oppress them. Bin Laden made it clear, his fight was against US policy, the government, not the people!
And btw, I still haven't seen solid proove, that indeed hewas behind the attacks on 11 september.

One of the meanings of JIhad is to defend yourself.