this is why he gets snide remarks. putting quotes around muslims...and talking down to everyone else
Hmm yeah I don't agree with the last comment OP made. But it came after pretty much a page of comments kind of mocking him. There was no talking down prior to that, was there?
It looks like most of the people replying here may not consider themselves particularly religious, or conservative at least. That doesn't mean you can't respect the opinion of those who are. It just seems a bit childish.
Well you guys can make fun of me if you want. Allah knows all.
Yes, you're quite right. Allah knows all. That being the case, you need not worry about whether other people support free mixing or not. That's between them and Allah and not your concern.
^^ You can say that about ANYTHING. What's the point of having discussions in the first place? Allah knows all so why bother discussing anything? Let's all just sit and twiddle our thumbs not talking to each other.
^The point of having discussions is to share our opinions and listen to other people's opinions. That requires voicing one's opinion in a non-judgemental manner. The OP has not done that.
Secondly, what I found irritating about the OP's original post is not that he has a differing opinion but the condescending tone in which he makes his comment. He states "Allah knows best for us not Uncle Sam," "Allah knows all," and "muslims" (in quotes) as if we are all so bloody thick and do not know these things already and it is up to him to correct us as if we were wayward children.
^T*he point of having discussions is to share our opinions and listen to other people's opinions. That requires voicing one's opinion in a non-judgemental manner. The OP has not done that.*
Secondly, what I found irritating about the OP's original post is not that he has a differing opinion but the condescending tone in which he makes his comment. He states "Allah knows best for us not Uncle Sam," "Allah knows all," and "muslims" (in quotes) as if are all so bloody thick and do not know these things already and it is up to him to correct us as if we were wayward children.
Mezghan said it best. There is nothing in OP's first post that implies in any way that he/she wants a discussion. It was a post, disguised as a new thread, stating his opinion. If he/she wants a discussion, then post something that elicits a discussion. Otherwise he's going to get the kind of posts that have been already posted.
Hmm yeah I don't agree with the last comment OP made. But it came after pretty much a page of comments kind of mocking him. There was no talking down prior to that, was there?
It looks like most of the people replying here may not consider themselves particularly religious, or conservative at least. That doesn't mean you can't respect the opinion of those who are. It just seems a bit childish.
I definitely consider myself more conservative than liberal and I found the way with which he presented his opinion to be rude/condescending. I don't drink, but I don't go around telling people not to do it; not my problem. They can do whatever they want, as long as they're not pouring alcohol in my cup. There's a different between expressing your opinion/engaging in healthy debate and having a mocking, condescending/preachy attitude about something. He didn't want to have a discussion, his first post makes that clear.
^^ You can say that about ANYTHING. What's the point of having discussions in the first place? Allah knows all so why bother discussing anything? Let's all just sit and twiddle our thumbs not talking to each other.
How does telling people, who are not religious/and mind their own business, what to do any good? OP's post was a statement basically talking down anyone who mixes or, as expected, questions his intentions in his post.
I don't think having a view is what people are complaining about, its the way its put across. Ess Em and Mezghan said it better than I wanted to.
How does telling people, who are not religious/and mind their own business, what to do any good? **OP's post was a statement basically talking down anyone who mixes or, as expected, questions his intentions in his post. **
Exactly. If one wants to engage in discussion, one should post something that elicits discussion in a manner which encourages others to share their opinions. The OP simply states his opinion and condemns everyone whose opinion is different from his own. It sounds as if he was more interested in lecturing anyone who disagrees with him, than discussing opinions.
How can you support something, which is against Islam, something which your creator and my creator Allah has deemed impermissible. Of course it is permissible when necessary but not when it is not necessary. It's shocking to find that most people on this forum are Muslims. Something I've heard is that it is backwards. However if you look at it is Western society which is backwards. The promiscuity, single mother families, affairs, number of relationships people go through in their lives and the rapidly declining monogamy. All these points have a positive correlation with free mixing. Allah is our creator he knows what is best for us not uncle Sam.
Everyone sets there own borderline of morality, as close as they can to what they believe is right. They justify all other transgressions in their head to make themselves feel ok about what they're doing. For eg my level of hijab might just be a loose fitting shirt long enough to cover my hips and a scarf on my head, shoulders chest etc. now for someone else who does the full ninja hijab mine might seem practically useless. But to me, someone else with a short, somewhat fitted shirt and a loosely tied scarf might seem useless. The point is everyone has their own way of putting it in perspective according to their personal belief system.
Same way, for u morality lies in not mixing freely with members of the opposite sex in person. But u opt to do it online here. U justify to urself that this doesn't count (although technically it does, since it's not required of u, and we r literally doing "gupshup" here). Now to u, the rest of us who r freely discussing everything are the ones crossing the line. But to someone following the rules to the tee, even u fall into that category since ur in here with us, so it's all the same. Get it? So when u ask "how can u ppl support free mixing"... This is how. Everyone justifies their actions to themselves and thinks they're doing somewhat ok on the morality forefront. Now if u joined solely for the religion section but ended up in all the intriguing mil threads and them just had to click on the fornication thread, that's ur transgression on what u had planned to do on this website but couldn't stay within the limits (of the religion section or the current affairs... Whatever). Point is we all do it, everyone just has different levels and different limits. So we really actually can't judge anyone else, cuz we've all been there done that (something or the other). Same ppl different sin. This is what I learnt from my husband, after any haw haye-ing that I might have done in any of my discussions with him about general stuff.
Are you judging us? How can you do that when it's forbidden? Are you even a Muslim?
Now I am genuinely confused. Werent several judging the queer lady? If its ok to judge her, why not ok to be judged? That is why, the consistent approach is live and let live? To each his/her own? Including their interpretation of Religion?
(I know youu had agreed to disagree. So this is rhetorical).
I totally support free mixing. I already paid for my sugar and for my coffee separately. I don't want to pay again when I am mixing them. It has to remain free.
Nothing is for free. You didn't account for Heat of Mixing, did you? Could lead to thermal runaway if one is not careful.
You are wrong here when you assume most muslims on this site are muslims. This site is actually infested by ex-Pakistanis who are in various stages of westernization (But wont admit it). Some are here just trying to cling onto their fast fading Pakistaniyat. Within 2 generations there will be nothing "Isllamic" left in them. This is coming from a western born Pakistani now settled in Pakistan...
I have in no way expressed my support for Pakistani Culture. I am a Muslim, Islam is all that matters. Any part of Pakistani culture against Islam should be disregarded.
Party pooper! Here the ladies were getting all riled up about your post and you just douse all that fire by denying the false binary. LOL
I disagree that a more reasoned OP would have elicited more mature responses. Certain viewpoints get the same response here and usually from the same quarters.
You'll notice that the mocking started with bashing desi culture but when the guy flatly denied supporting aspects of the desi culture that he was being portrayed as a supporter of, the track changed to how the OP wasn't sensible enough for our sensible minds.
The crux of his post was that Islamically speaking one should mingle with the opposite gender to the point that it's necessary but limit unnecessary interactions. Some people think that that's too conservative an interpretation of Islam which is totally fine and could be argued without mocking.
What's this fluff about 'live and let live' and 'don't force your way on others?' He doesn't have the power to force it on you so chill out and try to reason with him if you're so inclined or simply let him live in his delusional world. What's with banding together and making fun of people?
Southie brings up an excellent point. If it is okay to mock the queer lady in all views for making Islam suit to her needs, why is it ok for us to change the ruling on un-necessary free mingling of the sexes?
