Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
what has america and zardari the number one chor done for last few years going nowhere except more war more money wasted and more dead muslims!
So the solution is to give up and accept the demands of khawarij?
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
Imran Khan has repeatedly said that violence in Pakistan is a direct consequence of supporting Americans.
Violence was present in Pakistan even before Americans arrived. It was just not directed towards the majority population of Pakistan, and was more against minorities. So Imran is absolutely wrong on this issue. Or does he think that minorities do not matter?
Reason these terrorists were not fighting Pakistani state in general was that we Pakistanis were FULLY behind them in their terrorism in Afghanistan. Pakistan ISI actually is a creator of them.
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You provide a basis for which extremists can operate and recruit easily in the country.
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They would continue to recruit people even if there is no foreign presence. People like you and Imran still consider them "freedom fighters" when in fact they consider themselves "holy warriors" and they see no difference between a Muslim disagreeing with them and other "kuffars".
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Negotiating doesn't mean accepting all demands from the opponent. Is this what you think UK, US, allies, Afghanistan and India look for when they talk about negotiating with Taliban?
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US does not plan to negotiate with Taliban ideologists.
What does Imran say (not you) if those kharijis refuse to budge from their basic demands to run government on their own, and refuse to give up arms?
Remember, I am not asking for your opinion.
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Don't hate the guy just because he doesn't like a mafia leader sitting in UK.
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What does Altaf have to do with Imran's support to Taliban? Or do you find it hard to justify Imran's Talibanic politics without dragging every TDH in the discussion?
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
he criticizes everyone and everything.
And we know that criticism in the easiest thing to do. You criticizes and criticizes and people get enchanted by "how true" he is. He hides his true intentions in his constant criticism.
Problem is that Imran is not just proud but actually an ARROGANT person. I remember in a program where he said that while he was in England, he was annoyed very much by the constant bashing Muslims used to get from Westerners (for obvious reasons). But instead of exploding, he imploded. Being an arrogant person, this bashing made him dislike Westerners more and more. He failed to accept that this bashing was resulting from some Muslims' own actions.
Not just that but he started justifying everything related to himself. Thus to him jirga system of FATA is an ideal system, because his family is from that area. This arrogance and feeling of pride in everything related to him has moved him closer to fellow Taliban brethren of FATA, at the expense of common people of that region.
If he really wanted good of his people then he would should have been the biggest opponent of Talibanic mental illness.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
Violence was present in Pakistan even before Americans arrived. It was just not directed towards the majority population of Pakistan, and was more against minorities. So Imran is absolutely wrong on this issue. Or does he think that minorities do not matter?
Reason these terrorists were not fighting Pakistani state in general was that we Pakistanis were FULLY behind them in their terrorism in Afghanistan. Pakistan ISI actually is a creator of them.
They would continue to recruit people even if there is no foreign presence. People like you and Imran still consider them "freedom fighters" when in fact they consider themselves "holy warriors" and they see no difference between a Muslim disagreeing with them and other "kuffars".
US does not plan to negotiate with Taliban ideologists. What does Imran say (not you) if those kharijis refuse to budge from their basic demands to run government on their own, and refuse to give up arms?
Remember, I am not asking for your opinion.
What does Altaf have to do with Imran's support to Taliban? Or do you find it hard to justify Imran's Talibanic politics without dragging every TDH in the discussion?
Americans arrived here in 1940s and 1950s, not 2000s. You don't need physical military presence in a region to impose what you want to. Talibans were created with 'help' from CIA. Read history.
When you were FULLY behind someone and then turn your back suddenly and start mass murdering anyone even remotely related to them, you will get a reaction. That is what we are getting. Read psychology.
Negotiations never mean giving in to either party's demands. Read your dictionary.
I did provide you links where everybody (USA, UK, NATO, even India) wants to talk to Taliban. You continue to read what you like to. You never gave us any evidence of Imran saying we should give in to their demand of imposing their style of Shariah. You need to provide statements from Imran Khan saying all the things you are ascribing to him or SHUT UP. Read philosophy.
You are churning out typical propaganda from MQM and that is why I need to bring in the terrorists who was present in Pakistan 'even before Americans arrived'. Read something other than propaganda, sometimes.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
Taliban was created by Pakistan, with help from Saudis. This is why their govt was recognized by Pak, Saudi, and UAE only. America never recognized them.
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When you were **FULLY behind someone **and then turn your back suddenly and start mass murdering anyone even remotely related to them, you will get a reaction.
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Pak should not have been IN ANY WAY behind Taliban to start with. These brutes were always mentally ill.
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Negotiations never mean giving in to either party's demands.
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What do you or Imran think you can get from the negotiations with mentally ill ideologists?
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You never gave us any evidence of Imran saying we should give in to their demand of imposing their style of Shariah.
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Imran can not say it. It is not politically advantageous. But he also never said how far he wants to go in his negotiations either. If you know of any such statement from him then do share.
Besides, didn't we JUST give in to their demand of imposing their style of Shariah IN SWAT?
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You are churning out typical propaganda from MQM
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It is not just MQM who says that. Anyone who despises khariji terrorists says the same thing about Imran and his policies towards Taliban. For example, I don't think 'samb' is an MQM supporter.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
Khoji, now that you have admitted that:
you do not have a case here anymore. Please come back after a reading a dictionary, few history books and visiting a good clinical psychologist.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
khoji saheb,
You would gain credibility and respect if you stopped making statements as if they were fact.
hey would continue to recruit people even if there is no foreign presence.
US does not plan to negotiate with Taliban ideologists.
And while you do not ask for anyone's opinion, you feel that offering yours' stated as fact is a reasonable argument.
Remember, I am not asking for your opinion.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
jst forget about Politics guys, I am sure majority of Pakistani don wana any negotiations with Zaliman.
enough.
and dont know either from when that play boy become so religious:D:
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
and dont know either from when that play boy become so religious:D:
kuch nahin milta tau playboy pay aatay hain.......jealous log.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
hhahahahaha you make me laugh Muzna, kiya sadgi hai iss ek jumle main:chupki:
I respect him as a great Cricketer a Hero a loyal Pakistani
but as a poltician he is ZERO
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
I am hoping to see some statement from Imran which may be at least as clear as Karzai’s:
http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4385867
Islamabad, Sep 15 (PTI) The Afghan government will engage with Taliban elements who are not part of the Al-Qaida network as it continues its military campaign against extremism and terrorism, President Hamid Karzai said today.
“We believe that while we are continuing our campaign against extremism and terrorist networks, the Al-Qaida and its associates, we will also seek means other than a military campaign to bring stability to Afghanistan and to Pakistan by extension and the region,” Karzai said.
Karzai was responding to a question on his government’'s efforts to hold talks with the Taliban during a joint news conference with his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari following their talks.
He said the Afghan government “will engage with those Taliban who are not part of Al-Qaida or any other terrorist network and will abide by the Afghan constitution and the gains that our nation has achieved in the past 10 years”.
This includes “sons of the soil” and militants who have “no ideological enmity” with the Afghan government and would be willing to engage in a dialogue, he added.
At the same time, Karzai said his government was trying to seek all means to defeat the Taliban who were not "reconcilable".
Zardari said Pakistan stood against terrorism and was part of the solution.
Its democratic government was not part of the problem, he added.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
Imran gives America's example of wanting to start dialog with Taliban, to justify his own call for it. But what he does not see is that Americans want dialog with them just to keep them stay away from Qaeda, which is America's no.1 enemy. So America may be willing to talk to any fundamentalist government as long as it does not oppose Americans. Just look at American support to Saudi radical government.
Pakistan and Afghanistan on the other hand can not allow ANY kind of militant group in any talk, because Americans can leave the place but we will have to bear the consequence of Taliban's radical brand of extremist shariat.
Any statement from Imran regarding this matter? Anyone?
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
khoji saheb,
You would gain credibility and respect if you stopped making statements as if they were fact.
I have reasons to say that:
- Taliban will continue to recruit people regardless of American presence because THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN THERE WAS NO AMERICA.
- America does not want to negotiate with Taliban who defend Qaeda.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
Imran says that Taliban’s terrorism is directly related to American intervention. I wonder if blowing up schools is also due to America?!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\09\24\story_24-9-2010_pg7_4
Two girls’ schools blown up in Peshawar
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
......Any statement from Imran regarding this matter? Anyone?
Khoji, you started this thread and you need to provide a statement from Imran for us to discuss. You are just repeating what your boss dictated you. Its really like in our villages dogs joining the party when one of them starts barking. This thread has gone three pages without you providing any statement from him.
What a pathetic propaganda machine.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
As a matter of fact, it could be said American's helped create al-Qaeda but definitely not Taliban. Taliban had the direct support support of ISI not CIA. CIA lost much of its interest in the region after the soviet withdrawal. Taliban were set in motion only after the withdrawal. But yes the 1980s madrassahs and the prevalent ideology were an important ingredient.
Negotiating with the taliban isnt necessarily a bad thing. American's were negotiating with them even in their early development ( but the motives were different of course). Lets see what Imran Khan really has on his mind.
Re: How can Imran Khan ask for negotiations with khariji terrorists?
I have reasons to say that: - Taliban will continue to recruit people regardless of American presence because THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN THERE WAS NO AMERICA. - America does not want to negotiate with Taliban who defend Qaeda.
Okay.....so first thing we need to do is prevent recruitment. People will join Taliban for a number of reasons. If we eliminate those reasons then we will get ahead........right?
Why are the Taliban successful at recruitment? Because the people they prey upon are left with a bleak or no alternative. Give them a viable alternative and they will not join. Give them a judicial system that is fair......give them education........give them the ability to feed and clothe their families.........give them security. These are all the things that PTI stands for.
And again.....another statement of fact from you about what America wants........I'm not going there.