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^^ you guys suffer from a cultural and egotistical disease known as "denial"
Wake up, there r some fundamental problems with the religion and its interpretation. Recognize them. Make sure that society and govt do not recognize adultery as punishable crime. Only then u have a way out
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I just asnwered
“Never said, honor killing is all that religion says. ppl pick and choose in religion, dont u know?”
What part u didnt get?
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About honor killing on rape: do u have statistics on how many honor killings were done on suspicion of adultery and rape?
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Lol…could you make any more fool out of yourself buddy… looks like you are the victim of your own disease… I ask you for ayats hadith… or anything of that sort.. and the only answer you have religon and when you couldn’t come up with any justification a dumb excuse of me denial…
I** am sure alot of guppies here agree with me practices which involves killing a woman getting raped and stuff… comees from illiteracy..not religon.. and if does.. may be you can use your scholarly knowledge to enlighten us with your lost ideologies… secondly… tell me if you have something new to introduce… whatsoever… would you prefer trying to introduce it in religon or use media as your souce… you are one lost soul buddy… Dude what world have u been living in all this time ???**
**Let me explain you how it works.. if you have an argument you justify with references… not just coming up with excues like other person is denying what so ever.. when you didn’t have an argument to begin with.. days of illiteracy are gone or going buddy… **
Welcome to 21st century… thats where you destiny is you lost soul
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Just answer one question:
Accroding to ur version of Islam, is adultery punishable by death?
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I don’t know is it in Quaran???.. even if it does.. it still doesn’t fit your definition of honor killing…
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^^ why don't u first read Quran and Sunnah, and get familiar with what u really claim to believe in.
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No it is not. Punishment according to the Quran is 100lashes.
By the way, rules to detremine adultery are very strict ie 4 witnesses. Honor killing and adultery are two different things, try to understand that basic difference. It is the honor of the tribe/family which is satisfied by the killing of alleged kari’s, there are no Islamic injunctions required to determine guilt. Thus the difference.
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Dude since you are the one who accused how about giving refernences to your claim…??? and even if thats the punishment for Gunnah-e-kabeera there is no way you can use it to claim that practices of killing a girl who got raped… or whatsoever to Islam or any religon.. that comes from illiteracy and is therefore is not practiced in educated societies.. you can’t link punishment of zina to a girl getting raped… two different things man … two completely different things… One is a punishment and the practices the article refers to are “Honary Killing”… (tell me where islam preaches to kill others for your honor) I don’t know any religon which promotes adultery… and if you have to claim something about a religon I would appreciate your back up your claim with references… in light of Quran… Not everybody here are scholars and can be mislead by your acts…
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Thanks for enligtening us…contradicts Mr. Lost Soul…
Lost Soul how about giving references to your claim… ???
Dude you don’t have an argument you are usingan unreferenced punishment of a sin.. and links it too Honary killings practiced by illiterate people… what a lost soul.. the name stands for your personality
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Islamic jurists refer to Quranic verse for fornication. But specific for adultery, Sunnah is resorted to, and 'stoning to death' is thepunishment for it.
Now, u can disagree with me, and challenge these hadiths....all power to u. But I am talking about mainstream islam. The injunctions r very clear.
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Any references with quran and hadiths…??? you know alot of hadith out there are dhaeef specially if it contradicts quran… ??? I would appreciate if you could give references and also shed some light that how honary killing a practice of illiterate society fit in the context of islam as you may protray.. what you have a punishment for a gunnah kabeera and honary killing doesn’t involve islam its the honor???
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Mainstream Islam does not practice deaht punishment for adultery, Taliban or Saudi’s cannot be called mainstream if anything they are marginal.
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Dude its simple… if a hadith contradicts Quran.. its not authentic and should not be followed… care to quote the hadith you are referring too and also care to justify how does your whole ideology fits the context of honoary killing done by illiterate socities in light of religon???
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Hey, dude from Texas
Maybe u woke up yesterday morning, and read up somewhere that ppl with ur name r called muslims. And all of a sudden u r looking for some guy who can teach u islam. Well, guess what, unluckuy day...I am not available.
Read Quran, and Hadiths...so many resources on net, and even here on GS, these topics have been debated over and over again.
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100 lashes can kill a woman, or leave her with severe injuries. Does your conscience find it ok to inflict such pain on another?
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metromamma
Iam only quoting what is written in the Quranic text as punishment for adultery, relative to the Bible and Jewish scriptures which demand stoning to death Islam offered at that time a much more civilized punishment.
TO answer your question, personally I do not think it is OK to inflict pain on others, niether does the religion. These are supposed to be the extreme penalties.
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The Prophet (PBUH) said: “[Under Islamic laws in an Islamic state] It is not lawful to shed the blood of a Muslim except for one of three sins: a married person committing fornication, and in just retribution for premeditated murder, and [for sin of treason involving] a person renouncing Islam, and thus leaving the community [to join the enemy camp in order to wage war against the faithful].” (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, and An-Nasa’i)
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And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.) (Al-Hashr 59: 7) Also Allah says: (…then let those beware who withstand the Messenger's order, lest some trial befall them, or a grievous penalty be inflicted on them) (An-Nur 24: 63).
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Then why is it muslims who are stoning their women and Jews and Christians, not?
Don’t justify anyone who thinks it is allright to lash a woman for ‘extreme infidelity’. Can we prove every time that the witnesses did not lie, or that the lasher is not an adulterer himself?
“Let him who has not sinned pick up the first stone…”
That is what I know, and all that I care about, when it comes to Biblical junctions regarding adulterous women. All else is junk IMO. I hope you get what I mean, and my apologies if you feel I have overstepped.