HONOUR Killing

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What do you think about honour killing?

An honor killing or honour killing is generally the murder of a family or clan member, most often of a female, by one or more fellow family or clan members, when they (and potentially the wider community) believe the victim to have brought dishonour upon the family, clan, or community. A woman can be targeted commonly for: refusing an arranged marriage, seeking a divorce (even from an abusive husband), or committing adultery or fornication (even if she was the victim of sexual assault). These killings result from the perception that defense of family honour justifies killing a woman whose behavior dishonours her family.
The United Nations Population Fund estimates that the annual worldwide total of honour-killing victims may be as high as 5,000 women

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Many cases of honour killings (known locally as karo-kari) have been reported here. Amnesty International's report noted "the failure of the authorities to prevent these killings by investigating and punishing the perpetrators." Recent cases include that of three teenage girls who were buried alive after refusing arranged marriages. Another case was that of Taslim Khatoon Solangi, 17, of Hajna Shah village in Khairpur district, which became widely reported after the graphic account of her father 57-year-old Gul Sher Solangi, who alleged his eight months’ pregnant daughter was tortured and murdered on March 7 on the orders of her father-in-law, who accused her of carrying a child conceived out of wedlock.

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desi ostrich: dude its really neat how you are keeping an eye on the painful aspects of society. What you need to consider however is:

  • These international charity organization are as good as a sack full of molten horse crap, its all political, there is no such thing as 'international charity' - for some its tax planning, for others its political.
  • a good number of these organizations are successfully playing a role in putting the banner of being backward and brutal on Pakistan (aimed at Islam - although Islam and Pakistan is another debate).
  • this sort of crap does happen, but it is not very common. Its as good as rape (domestic and otherwise) and murder in all our developed nations esp. US.
  • Karokari is an evil tradition, one of the gifts we have inherited from hindu caste discrimination, it happens all over this region, the only difference is that nobody advertises it as we do. We highlight the cases and get 'charity' to help the victims.

Having said that, mistreating a human, be that a man, woman or child, is a brutal and unacceptable act and we all know and believe that. Lets continue to play our role in ensuring that not only we do not committ any such act but we also prevent it from happening as much as we can in our own limited capacity.

Dont put an ear to these do-gooders. And, I know this because I have worked very closely with them.

engaged girls-have you gotten your eidi yet? what did you get?
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Just to add, compare the figures provided by these do-gooders for our brutal and inhuman society with those of their developed hometowns. They win hands down.

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There's no "honour" in honour killings..

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Jaanwar, spot on about those international charity gangs.

Check their sponsors and you know whats actually going on.

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not exactly honor killing incident…but a very similar situation where women are killed for no reason.
It is sick.

Metro - Support girls? drive for education

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Anyone who has an excuse to support honor killing needs some serious help. Like Gina said there is no "honor" in honor killings. At the time of Prophet (pbuh) people used to bury their daughters alive to preserve their honor. This practice was discouraged and rejected by Prophet pbuh, he gave women the right of life, education, wealth, the right to accept or reject a man for the purpose of marriage, and the right of divorce if they are not happy with the man they are married to. So in short: honor killing is unislamic, unhumane, and sick!

Oh and there have been few cases where a guy was also killed along with girl; honor killing of a guy is equally unacceptable as that of a girl.

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i think it is more or less traditional thing

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(I have not read any of the above msgs)

I just believe who ever does honor killing is very ignorant and are living in the extreme past. They are not touch with reality. They refuse to accept the world around them because they simply live in their own world and make up their own rules.

I have never read the translation of Quran, but I do not think the Quran, Allah's words, mentions honor killing.

It's too bad there are some very ignorant people out there.

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A guy once went to the Prophet and confessed to burying alive his daughter. He said Ya Rasool my wife hid my daughter with the neighbors for 7 years.. all along she told be that she had a stillborn.. but I grew very fond of this girl.. and once my wife was at peace that I was extremely fond of her and wudn't harm her, she broke the news to me.

I brought her home and took her out.. even when I was digging her grave and mud fell on my robe, the little girl kept wiping the mud off from my robe with her tiny hands. I still buried her alive..

The Prophet strongly shock the person and said there's no "maafi" for this..

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mashalah gina gi baiti ka piyar shame on pathar dil dad

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I know desi ostrich :( it's sad.. that some people still practice it today..

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yes gina gi really sad because it is happening mostly muslim world like few months ago one woman and boy killed in toba tek singh

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^ Read my post on Karo Kari in the all views section..

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ok gina gi abhi deekhta hoon

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I remember sometime back, in early 90s PTV even made a tv play on karo kari...I wish ppl would do jihad against such ill practices.

The Jail game
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iam behind you if you want to start it

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Oh god this story aches! Makes me sick to the core as I have a beautiful little girl, Marshallah and it feels sickening to read such stories.

This might sound crazy but this is true and sickening. A family in Pakistan only allow sons to come into their clan. This eldely couple has six sons and all the son's off-springs are male. The eldely couple have 15 male grand-children and proudly boast this fact. The wives find out in 4th month of pregnancy if they are having a female or male. If female - it gets aborted quickly.

Once one of the wives who desired to give birth to a girl lied to her Husband and in-laws after the scan telling her the sex. The wife tried to keep her baby safe as she knew her Husband and inlaws were angry with her. After waking up in the evening she found her baby blue with bruises on her head and legs - as if the baby was pulled from her legs and bashed against the wall!!!!

This happened last year and the Wife committed suicide after suffering depression.

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Whenever I read a thread which begins with the phrase “what do you think of…”, i.e. “what do you think of honour killing”, "what do you think of jahez’', “what do you think of falaan dhimkaan”…I feel so tempted to say something like “I highly approve” of it. Don’t know why:hehe:

Anyway, honour killing is a horrendous crime against humanity. Unfortunately, women are mostly the weaker and most suppressed segement of society..hence they are victims of it more frequently then men.

Interestingly enough, most of the honour killings aren’t even done for the sake of honour.Honour is merely used as an excuse. A couple of years ago, I helped translate this book dealing with feminist issues and there was a very detailed study of karokari. Apparently, men use honour killing as an excuse to: get rid of a wife,or any ‘undesirable’ female family member. To settle scores with their rivals…i.e. they claim that so and so is having an affair with this member of my family, so that they have an excuse to kill him. Poor women are merely scapegoats. Then there were cases where some men accused men of defiling their honour,killed their own women and claimed some sort of ransom for it.

AND there were cases where women were accused of zina so that they could be killed, and men could usurp their land or property. So, you see that ‘hounour’ is a convenient scapegoat.

Of course, there were cases where people were driven by a ‘genuine’ belief that their honour was at stake. Sadly enough, even if a women gets raped or assaulted, it is she who has to suffer the consequence, whether she is guilty or not.

I remember when we were holding a workshop in the inner city(androon Lahore), and the ladies there told me of a very very sad incident. There was a four or five years old young girl who had been molested by some sicko,and her own parent’s tried to kill her…first by hitting her on head with a brick.And then by trying to get a doctor to give her some poisonous injection!I felt sick for many days. How can parents do this to their own child. But people do this a lot of the time. We have a very funny notion of honour culturally speaking. That might be because we equate virginity with piety. i.e. a woman who has been raped is ‘tainted’, and is not good because she is no longer ‘pure’. Never mind the fact that it was not her fault.

There should be stricter punishment for people who commit this kind of heinous acts.