Honor Killings Increasing in the Western Democratic Countries.

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Europe, North America , Australia have witnessed honor killings occurring by immigrants and it is becoming a growing concern. I have read recently of cases in Norway, England, Italy , Germany, USA, Canada and Australia of muslim males killing their daughters, sisters , nieces in restoring family honor.

In Canada a young teenage girl , Aqsa Parves was murdered by her father for not wearing a hijab. In Texas a father mudererd his two daughters for dating non muslim. And yet his wife was a christian.

In Germany a 23 year old girl was murdered. At the age of 15 her paretns took her to Turkey and she was forced into marriage to her older male cousin. She ran away with her baby and returned to Germany where she studied hard for four years to get her electricans courses completed and start a life independently. Her parents and brother felt disgraced she ran away from her husband. Her brothers shot her dead for tarnishing the family honor.

In England , a muslim man killed his sixteen year old daughter by slashing her throat in the bathtub because he found her exchanging love letters with a boy. He was Kurdish. On the day of his sentencing dozens of Kurdish men showed up to support him.
Cair-can , Canadian Council on American Islamic relations and it american counterpart instead of condemning honor killings and calling it was it is adopted the position that it was simply domestic violence. Cair-can and it’s american counterparts have been trying to introduce Shariah law A law totally against the female gender in more ways then one.

Honor killings must be addressed and not simply implied as a domestic violence by muslim leaders and speakers in the west. It is a sanctioned violence against muslim women and not merely a case of domestic violence.

Girls should not be killed for refusing to wear hijab.
Girls should not be killed for loving someone*** they choose*** to love.
Girls should not be killed for wanting to be independent and pursue careers.
Girls should not be killed for wanting to have equality and freedom as is the right of every female in the west.

Thankfully, in the west civil law penalties are far greater than the mere three months imprisonment in islamic countries.

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Re: Honor Killings Increasing in the Western Democratic Countries.

I agree such incidents are demoralizing the fiber of society as a whole. It should be addressed, and people who use the 'Islam says so' logic to justify killing anyone especially over matters such as Hijab, should be educated on what Islam really means.

Having said that, what do you term other cases among non-muslims? Are they to be called honor killings as well?

What about the chopping of a wife, and the husband was caught red-handed in Europe a few weeks back. Or such cases that happen in USA.

True, muslims ought to serve as an example and doing such hideous things only makes them less examplry but, why generalize?

Are we subconsciously relating pre-islamic arab culture to Islam as a whole?

Like i said before, muslims DO need to be educated on the rights a daughter has over father, a right brother has over sister, the rights parents have over children, etc. No doubt about it at all.

But when we magnify the issues the society faces, lets not paint it all green, lets focus on the society as a whole and not blame the muslims for all evils of the world, as is done more and more nowadays.

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Tony Keim
September 03, 2007 11:00pm

	 	 		 	  						 						  						 							 							 								 	**A MAN threatened to murder his wife and chop her up into little pieces because she failed to provide his "conjugal rights", a court has been told.**
					 	The Ipswich Magistrate's Court was told the man and his wife had been experiencing marital woes in the wake of increasing financial pressures that resulted in he and his wife of seven years sleeping in separate rooms.

Prosecutor Jo Little said during one altercation the man went to his wife’s bedroom and grabbed her crotch and a breast saying he had “conjugal rights” he had yet to claim.
“In the last seven months I haven’t taken my conjugal rights (and) if I want to do this I could,” Constable Little said the man told his wife, 43.
The man, 45, who cannot be named under Queensland law, pleaded guilty to four counts of breaching a domestic violence order.
The court was told the man and his wife were undergoing relationship counselling and hoped to save their marriage.
Magistrate Donna MacCallum sentenced the man to 12 months’ probation.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22356741-3102,00.html

OH MY! how barbaric!

**Man 'threatened to kill wife and chop up her body'**

 	 	 	[Jan 29 2008](http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/01/29/) 	 	Liverpool Daily Post 	
 	A FATHER-OF-SIX from Liverpool forced a gun into his wife’s mouth and threatened to kill her and chop up her body, a jury has heard.
Christopher Faulkner is accused of repeatedly assaulting his partner of 17 years, before kidnapping her and taking her on an hour-long nightmare journey.
Liverpool Crown Court heard the alleged attack began after the 35-year-old flew into a jealous rage after accusing his wife Patricia of having an affair.
Faulkner, of Stevenson Street, Wavertree, is alleged to have grabbed her by the throat, before producing a gun from the back of his trousers.
A jury was told he then jammed the weapon – which was later found to be an imitation – into her mouth, screaming insults and threatening to kill her.
Neville Biddle, prosecuting, said Mrs Faulkner was so terrified of her husband she wet herself.
Most of the couple’s children were also in the house during the attack on August 28, last year.
When Faulkner suddenly calmed down Mrs Faulkner went to get changed, but her husband’s violent attack was far from over, the court heard.
Minutes later he is accused of throwing her on to the sofa, before sticking the gun to her head, screaming “I’m going to f****** kill you, then I’m going to chop your body up.”
Mr Biddle said Faulkner then dragged his wife into his van and drove round with her – all the time threatening to kill her.
He added: “He was shouting: ‘You’re not going anywhere, you’re going to die’.
“This went on for an or so, with him driving her around in the van. At one stage he grabbed her by the neck so hard she lost her vision.
“He was screaming ‘You’re going to die, I’m going to chop you up.”
The couple later returned home, but violence broke out on two further occasions when Faulkner is accused of punching and kicking his wife.
Faulkner denies seven counts, including kidnapping, three charges of causing actual bodily harm, possessing an imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence, and two counts of threatening to kill.
The case continues.

hmmmm…no words…

AND THE POINT IS…There are alotta sick people out there of all colors, races, backgrounds!

Period!

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I agree teggy, but the people who committed the murders in your post suffered from high intensity stress, lack of control and incandescent rage of jealousy and mental deteriation. It had nothing to do with **restoring a family honor ala islamic ways **based on a female choosing her right to live freely as she wants.

Honor killing is done in the name of non islamic ways the woman chooses to live and the judgment of this act is done by the males of her family who are fundamental in their faith.

A man can rape a woman and kill her in islamic countries , that is murder. And he will recieve death penalty or such.

Honor killing is murdering a daughter , sister , niece etc for not wearing the hijab and not being muslim enough. Honor killing is 3 months in prison. Note the punishment , murder versus honor killing.

I hope I have clarified it for you Teddy er, uh, oh ya, **Teggy **the topic of Honor Killing without whitewashing it with examples or distractions of people murdering for non religious zeal , fanatacism of ego and hypebole of manifested loss.

*Killing someone when robbing them in no way should be confused with Honor Killing. Please do not do make this your credible contra as you have , it abundantly demeans the death of women in islam who have been killed in the name of Honor. *

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A jealous husband killing wife, if he's non-muslim is not honor killing? Even if he's doing it because his "honor" was trampled on or so he feels/claims...

hmmm..strange!

I guess this is one of those 'muslim-exclusive' terms. But when others do it, It's because they weren't feeling well.

Thanks for clearing that right up. Now i get it.

PS: the name's Teggy, not teddy.

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^ actually, you are not getting it. Sorry, perhaps avoiding even the penalty issue for Honor Killings versus murder is above ones legal comprehension of fair and equatable treatment of women as it exists islamic countries who deem honor killing as a misdeamenour in those countries. But not in West.

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No, no i get it. I do.

You made me comprehend it so clearly.

See it's like this:

Muslim man kills wife because he suspects she committed adultry, he committed 'honor killing' (which btw, i do agree is WRONG).

Non-muslim man kills wife out of jealousy because he thinks he's not getting the attention or she's cheating on him, or she's ACTUALLY committing adultry (Which is just as wrong), he commits murder. Because he's deemed mentally unstable.

It's just a difference of words and how you choose to present it. They're both murderers.

Git it? ugh..Forgit it!

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Re: Honor Killings Increasing in the Western Democratic Countries.

yes, I get it , murder is murder.

But when they commit Honor killing , they don't comprehend it as murder and courts don't give it the same weight as murder of a person during a robbery.

In islamic society there is a difference between Honor killing and murde. There exists a legal difference in islamic law and therefore the difference in punishment given.

In the west honor killing is synomous with murder however, in the west males who commit honor killing still view it under the islamic law and don't feel they merit long prison sentences as if they robbed and killed a stranger.

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Is it dangerous for muslim women who choose to integrate and assimilate in western society?

I have been msn'ing with a girlfriend and we wonder how bad is it for many of our muslimah sisters .

She send me this from Asia News : you can google it for yourselves.

(AsiaNews) – Muslim women living in the West are still victims of a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam that leads to hatred and violence, and a patriarchy that gives fathers, husbands, brothers and other male relatives the right to beat and even kill women and girls, this according to Mona Eltahawy, a New York-based journalist and commentator and an international lecturer on Arab and Muslim issues who has recently written on a spate of cases of violence against Muslim women and girls in Western countries.
Cases like that of Hatun Surucu, 23, a Kurdish woman murdered by her 18-year-old brother in Berlin. Hatun, who had divorced a cousin she had been forced to marry by her family when she was 16, had stopped wearing a headscarf and was living with her 5-year-old son independent of her family. She was training to become an electrician and dating German men. After the murder her brother allegedly bragged to his girlfriend about upholding patriarchal rules. He was sentenced to prison for nine years and three months.
Similar cases have made the headlines in Canada and the United States.
“In the so-called ‘clash of civilizations,’ Muslim girls and women are the biggest losers. In fact, Eltahawy says, Muslim girls and women are paradoxically being murdered by their relatives for integrating too well.
Others are likely to die until a solution is found to the situation of Muslim girls and women, one that for too long has been denied and hidden beneath layers of knee-jerk defensiveness—by western Muslims and cultural relativists in the face of rightwing anti-Muslim hate.
Just googling for ‘Aqsa Pervez,’ the 16-year-old Canadian girl killed by her father for adopting to Western customs, shows that for most commentators her death was an “honour killing,” suggesting every Muslim father is ready to murder his daughter for taking off a headscarf.
For some Muslims though, it was “just” a case of “domestic violence,” as though religion and culture had "nothing" to do with Aqsa’s murder.
At the same time some liberal writers exhort us not to judge the “culture” of others. But just think of a decision by a Frankfurt judge Christa Datz-Winter who refused to grant a fast-track divorce to a German Muslim woman who had complained that her husband beat her. The judge said both partners came from a “Moroccan cultural environment in which it is not uncommon for a man to exert a right of corporal punishment over his wife.” No wonder she was eventually removed from the case.
Whatever the case, “Muslim women will continue to suffer until we confront the toxic cocktail that is equal parts an ugly fundamentalist interpretation of Islam and patriarchy.”
Canadian Muslim writers Tarek Fattah and Farzana Hassan provide an example: A Montreal mosque recently posted on its Web site a warning to the effect that if young girls took off their hijab they could be raped and have illegitimate children. The same site caution ed that not wearing hijab might lead to stress, insecurity and “suspicion in the minds of husbands,” not to mention the fact that it might instigate “young people to deviate towards the path of lust.”
When a mosque offers such hateful messages, the terms “honour killings” and “domestic violence” miss and hide the point. This mosque teaches a culture of hate and incitement that must be condemned.
“I am waiting,” Eltahawy writes, “for the removal of clerics and imams, who incite hate and violence with their messages about hijab. I am waiting for Muslim families to stop disowning European Muslim women for marrying non-Muslim men. And I am waiting for the end of a sometimes deadly choice Muslim women—victims of violence—have had to make in a post-9/11 United States, when calling the police could mean the deportation of a husband, a brother or a father.
Against this backdrop about Muslim women in the West, al-Watan reports that the Saudi Interior Ministry has issued a circular to hotels asking them to accept lone women, i.e. women who are not accompanied by a male guardian.
Hitherto restriction on going to hotels alone was but one of several constraints Saudi women had to face. Indeed they still cannot drive or get into a car unaccompanied. They also cannot travel on their own or appear before a judge without a male representative.
The Saudi paper explained the reasons for the new rules by citing the case of a woman who arrived late at night at the airport and was denied a hotel room because she was alone. Or the case of another woman, who said her son-in-law quarrelled with his wife and daughters and threw them out of the house. When they tried to get a hotel room, they were asked to get a permission from the police.