okay so from what i heard Islam doesnt denies its existance. it is mentioned in Quran so y take such strict measures against it?..stonning a person to death just because he or she is gay seems a bit inhumane to me.
Doesnt Islam also teaches to be tolerant of otherz belives and lifestyle?
Re: homosexuality.
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okay so from what i heard Islam doesnt denies its existance. it is mentioned in Quran so y take such strict measures against it?..stonning a person to death just because he or she is gay seems a bit inhumane to me.
Doesnt Islam also teaches to be tolerant of otherz belives and lifestyle?
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4:15-18 "(16). *If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and mend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. *
seeker u made a good point, islam gives gender benders a chance to repent, its an example of tolerance.
suroor i wonder if ur an american paki, most american pakis have quite weird views which are different from rest of muslim world
Re: homosexuality.
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okay so from what i heard Islam doesnt denies its existance. **it is mentioned in Quran* so y take such strict measures against it?..stonning a person to death just because he or she is gay seems a bit inhumane to me.
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if u know it is mentioned in quran then i hope u also know that it is mentioned in quran with reference to the nation of Hadrat Loot (AS), the newphew of Hadrat Ibrahim (AS). And I am sure u also know how they were punished as it is also in Quran.. so i also hope that u know in what context it is mentioned in Quran.
I hope:) you know what i mean.. I hope:)
PS: I hope u will read Iqbal's links:)
malibu : no iam not american paki : ) but nothing wrong in being curious right?
iqbal: thank u very much for the links.
Ghada bhai: i will look at those links for sure. thanks :)
I am assuming the punishement is only applied to someone who claims to be a muslim? Or are muslims empowered to stone/kill anyone who indulges in homosexuality and is living under muslim rule?
Faisal
The hukm can only be executed by Islamic state authority on non muslim and muslim who commit homosexuality.
Allah mian made Adam and Eve for each other…not another Adam for Adam or another Eve for Eve!!! In any event, Islam does give the person a fair shot at repentence if he/she is opting for an "alternate lifestyle. Homosexuality is haram in Islam, as it is in any of the 3 dominant monotheistic religions. Plus, in my opinion, it is “learned” behavior, not “natural” as some would argue.
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assalamoalikum 
allah ta’allah have said in the quran-e-paak that i have made a male for a female and a female for a male and the same goes with the animals etc. so that is the main reason for why homosexuality is prohibbited in islam.
Seems some of you are experts in this field. :rotfl"
god created adam and eve NOT adam and steve
well said moona
Get a hold of a copy of the Noble Qur'aan and read the story of the Propeht Lut (Lot) AS and his people. This should answer most of your queries or concerns if you have any.
If you cannot find the Surah, please let me know so that I may post the relevant ayats for you.
One of Jesus' teachings were to not judge others for their sins because you have sinned yourself. Once, pharisees have caught a prostitute, brought her to Jesus and asked if they should stone her (according to the Jewish laws). Jesus' reply was "Let the one without sin be the first one to throw the stone at her". How would we have the right to punish others for their wrongs if we have wrongs ourselves?
does this appear in koran or just made up?
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls
well-guarded.
Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest
them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
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One of Jesus' teachings were to not judge others for their sins because you have sinned yourself. Once, pharisees have caught a prostitute, brought her to Jesus and asked if they should stone her (according to the Jewish laws). Jesus' reply was "Let the one without sin be the first one to throw the stone at her". How would we have the right to punish others for their wrongs if we have wrongs ourselves?
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That, my friend, is a recipe for anarchy. So we just let prostitutes roam the streets and thieves and murderers do as they please because we are all sinners. That's not a solution. This particular story is one of the most hotly debated of all passages in the New Testament. Most scholars, if i recall, have declared that it is not found in early manuscripts and is probably a later addition. In other words, the likelihood is that Jesus (as) never said any of this.
Iqbal
I believe that Jesus' teaching makes perfect sense, and I would completely agree (ignoring it doesn't help). Of course homosexuality is a sin, but how is it a sin anymore than us say, lying about some small matter? One sin makes us impure, one sin causes us to fall short of the Glory of God.
Should we kill homosexuals? We should sooner kill ourselves, for we, without God, are just as unholy as any homosexual. Seriously, where is the justice in killing them? Some people are born homosexual, and that its part of their heritage. How is homosexuality their fault, then? Let's not make homosexuality another case like the jews and the lepors.
Now, how does abstaining from blood lead to anarchy? In america, almost nobody is killed by the government. As you all know, the United States has one of the most supported government in the world. Although the people currently might not agree with President Bush's actions, the americans still stand for democracy and America. Why is this so? They do not kill their own citizens if the citizens dont do what the government wants. The worst that is most likely to happen is a jail sentence. No, just because we dont kill someone it doesnt mean that they will be uncontrolable.
LD, you missed the point of my reply i think. You had previously said: "How would we have the right to punish others for their wrongs if we have wrongs ourselves?" Now either we have the right to punish criminals, and i'm not necessarily referring to homosexuals here but looking at it in a much broader sense, or we don't have the right to punish those who commit crimes. According to your thinking, as i see it, we don't have that right at all. In other words, we should just allow all criminals, whatever the severity of their crime, to get off scott free. We are sinners, they are sinners, so we can't do anything about it.
Iqbal