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I totally agree!! I think we should all learn to be tolerant of other people. I mean, even if u aren't thrilled about the idea. It's wrong to hate other people just because they are different. You can't help who you fall in love with. I'm no gay rights activist and I don't make a habit of hanging out with gay ppl, but i don't hate them. I think it's cute when ANYONE can find someone and fall in love with them.
You do whatever you do but don't bring in religion into it. If you say you are Muslim and you believe in Islam then read what Islam says about it.
It's not my business to judge you but as far as my knowledge goes homosexuality is against the teachings of Islam.
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you "think" people are whether they want to admit it or not?
there goes personal opinion out the window. are you imposing your beliefs on others? you wont take peoples word for their own beliefs?
nobody is 100% muslim? are you the decider of who is and who is not? maybe nobody here is perfect, but doesnt our Lord already make that evident? just because we are sinners does that mean we should practise anarchy? chaos be the order of the day? no. rules are rules, everyone follows their own set, based on their beliefs and interpretations.
i accept you are a human being, but i dont accept what you practise, and i dont condone it, and i will speak against it any chance i get. just as i accept a criminal who commits a crime as a person who is in error, but i will speak against his crime.
feel free to have your opinions about me, but if you are already going to accept your views on my possibly being bi as the law, then accept mine of you definately being a wrong-doer.
and there are degrees of faith, as their are degrees of law, degrees of crimes, etc.
in the end, Allah will judge you for your acts, and me for mine.
dont impose your ideas/judgements on me, just as you ask me not to impose mine upon you.
Islam teaches patience with conflict, be it with others or with your inner self.
Nobody has any right to question or point fingers at others. Simple. I pity and condemn those who gay-bash as well as those who practice it. But that's what I feel.
Maybe what you feel seems pleasurable and, by your reasoning standards therefore, right to you. So be it.
But if you believe in the true essence of Islam, there is no room for homosexual practice. Simple as that. Christianity condemns it strongly along the same lines.
murder, rape, adultery, incest. Just because ppl who practice these activiites*feel* it's right because it brings pleasure to them doesn't make it right. What determines 'right'? Perhaps the religion or doctrine you follow.
Nobody should and can not point at you. Even if they do, it doesn't matter. But please don't go around trying to justify your actions by fellow people and those around you. What they think or say amounts to zero if you believe in religion.
Will 10 ppl agreeing that homosexuality can be given flexibility in matters of religon make you feel more encouraged?
Will a 100 ppl almost justify it?
And perhaps a 1,000,000 saying that might seal the deal?
As much as it doesn't matter if others condemn you, it doesn't matter equally if they don't. Just remember you're not following or satisfying people when you do something or don't. Because in the end,
You are answerable only to God. For everything.
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Originally posted by Sarah Splendor:
** I don't say that homosexuality is a part of Islam and I know Islam is against it ..
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Thank You.
Islam is against it because Allah said so. If someone believes that there is one God and there hasn't been any changes in his message (Quran) then according to that book he tells us that not to engage in such acts.
well, anyone who is homosexual or a bi, is not a muslim cuz he/she is not following the principles of Islam....
Quraan tells us that Allah destroyed the people of Lot cuz they were involved in homosexuality....
so we can see the extent of the crime....
Islam is against it cuz it is not good for sexual health - how? i dont know, am not a doctor....
but simply the fact that Islam does not allow it, is good enuff reason to stay away from it....
and I pray that Allah will guide you and take you out od this un-Islamic habit, which can lead an otherwise good muslim to hell....
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I may be the worl'd biggest hypocrite so yes, armughal, I agree that my logic is fuzzy and that I won't convince anybody but I don't think I need to convince anybody to respect people different from us. If I do, then that is a huge loss of humanity.
Sarah, we need people like you in our Political and Religion forums. Hope to see you there...
ok, Ghalib
Splendor got lost
sarah,
i dont know what to tell u....
just that homosexuality is not natural....
and things when done against nature, do not end up very good....
maybe due to the fact that the media has stressed so much on homosexuality many ppl now, out of curiosity, do want to see why ppl do such a thing....
but the fact remains, that naturally we r all hetrosexuals....
homosexuality is developed by a person according to his surroundings/conditions....
but whatever it is, it is BAD....
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most of my friends are b.i. and i don't think it's wrong. be free to be what you wanna be. but idf you belive in islam than stop.
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Let us first tolerate the following
1/poor
2/disabled
3/ugly
4/mentally slow
5/physically weak
6/afghani
7/blacks
8/bald ppl.
9/ non english speaking immigrant
10/violated women
& many victims ,those who could do nothing to be in the handicapped & disadvantageous position
I dont dislike anybody ,but i also like ppl. keep there sex life private .In our culture while sex is not considered dirty or bad still it is NOT DECENT to shout at the top volume of your voice like the national anthem
enough in one breat of Breathless
Chin-o-arab hamaara
hindostaan hamaara
muslim hai hum, vatan hai saara jahaan hamaara
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Well I guess Its a seriosu issue raised by Sarah.We shoudl take it just and Issue and try to discuss it withiout hurting anyone.
We shouldnot be close minded and Stop the thread (as they did with Subject "Replies " in general Section) .
We may or may not agree with the practice but we shoudnot stop anyone from dicussing.
Disclaimer : I am not Homosexual but I respect taht every ones has its own way of leading his life and I am no one to interfare in that.
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I agree Sarah...
Keep it up..
I am with you on this point.That is what I told in my earlier post that we need to discuss stuff and be open minded.
So the big question is: Good or bad..
In my opinion the choice of good or bad really depends on how the prevailing social norms of the society are…with homosexuality becoming so much prevalent in the western society…it is not uncommon to accept it and just term it as a matter of personal preferences (does not mean that I agree to it)..And the question, how does the condemnation fit in with the religious teachings…religion is supposed to be the basis for a just and balanced society…homosexuality is blatantly against the nature and does set the base for a stunted society..
Now Sarah the Splendor…Excuse me for being direct…and don’t accuse me of being a sicko ( I know I am making an exxagerated analogy to make a point)…So lets say: What are your views about animal sex…lets say dogs…if your best friend comes around you and says she does it…I mean dogs are faithful animals..aren’t they…not like human beings…like men..chasing skirts..they can be good companions…can’t they…or if the idea of dogs seems so perverted…how about incest..I mean come on..even Oedipus did it..Does it seems a little sick…but still..it could also be a matter of personal preferences…sexual or otherwise…why it would be so condemned right now is that it does not fit in the social norms…
So if your great-grand daughter (if at all you are able to inhibit your lesbo feelings and give somebody the opportunity to father you a child
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) is writing on trying to justify human love for animals fifty or a hundered years from now…most probably she won’t get shunned…and if somebody was trying to be a flag-bearer for homosexuality 50 years ago, his opinions won’t be publically welcomed…
The society and the norms is in a state of transition…what was wrong one time does not remain so wrong another time…on our side…we have to make the appraisal by not being influenced by the flow of opinion among the masses but by using the right sense of judgement…
So my personal opinion: Homosexuality is wrong..its sick and its perverted (does not mean I did not have any homosexual experiences..kidding
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)…although there have been quite a few instances that I have been hit on by homosexual men…
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Contrary to what some members have suggested from day 1, we feel that having this Corner Room allows for discussion on topics which otherwise may be uncomfortable to be discussed, either in real life or elsewhere.
Now, let me tackle the original post, and some issues raised there.
You asked why people don't sypathize with homosexuals or bisexuals
The primary reason, may be that it is considered a deviant behaviour, which can be cured. Those who think that sexual preference is your own choice, and is not necessarily a genetic dysfunction, then turn to religion, and find out that homo- and bi-sexual behavior is not permitted/encouraged. From there, the natural thought-process is that if it is prohibited and curable, then why don't these folks get over it. This is not just islam, but all divine faiths, christianity and judaism included, have similar prohibitions.
The second statement refers to your own sexual orientation
Most folks here on this discussion board, prefer to keep their sexual lives private, whatever it may be. It doesn't mean that doing otherwise is wrong, it just means it is not the usual behavior here. Plus, do you think just fantasizing about being bi-sexual makes you a bi-sexual? Also, since you mentioned your own sexual preference in your first post, so folks here made comments about it.
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