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Originally posted by Topee Wala:
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Are all the gay ppl willing to take this test. Ohh and this way, if there are gay genes, we will get rid of them from the human gene pool... The next step for 'evolution'.....**
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if there are indeed 'gay genes', they should be finished by now.
. In some conservative societies, like Catholic and Muslim, there are religious reasons why it is considered wrong.
you are right Xtreme, Religion is the only valid point against homosexuality. Homosexuality is wrong!! why? coz religion says so...case closed!
but we can not close every case like dat:)Religion says sharaab is haraam, gambling is haraam, pre-marital sex is haraam(if i am not wrong, the punishment for homosexuality n pre-marital sex is same in islam?)....we talk about Qaum-e-Loot whenever we want to diss homosexuality....but had we ever brought qaum-e-Shoaib in to our discussion when we diss other things like dishonesty, lies n blah blah...(qaum-e-Shoaib was being destroyed by Allah for their dishonesty)
what i am trying to say here is dat we accept all those sinners and their sins in our socity. Those sins to some extent have become norms for us....sharabis are just sharabis, gamblers are just gamblerz, zanis are just zanis...but HOMOSEXUALS ARE ABNORMAL....they shud be casteaway....
why such double standards??:) To me it seems that the problem doesn't lie within homosexuality....the problem lies with in us....if we are able to accept all other things prohibited by religion as norms, we shud be be able accept homosexuality too...as a sin ofcourse but not as an abnormality:)
Now the case is closed...i have to do my paper now sigh
ps>> and yea we shudn't look at animal kingdom for our role models:)
we shud be be able accept homosexuality too...as a sin ofcourse but not as an abnormality:)
now you're just nit-picking..
Naik larki!!!
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Originally posted by Naiklarki : Homosexuality is wrong!! why? coz religion says so...case closed'
Ermmmmm i don't think so - Religon is there as a set of rules and regulations to abide by that will ultimately be for your own good!
Religon helps to clarify situation that one may find confusing!
Homosexuality is wrong cos of the following reason :
why is it that unprotected sex between man and woman produces babies and unprotected sex between homosexuals produces sexually transmitted diseases?
Thats why its wrong!!! Not just because religon say its wrong!
Now that really is case closed!
Akif, you can't compare human beings to animals. We are of a completely different sexual nature - this is what sociology taught me in first year uni. Human beings are capable of being sexually attracted to basically anything - living or dead, when in dire need to be satisfied. Even a table may be sexually appealing. Didn't Freud say that all humans have homosexual and even incestuous tendencies?
I was caught in a dilemma a while back, trying to figure out whether homosexuals were born that way or was it a choice they made. When I found out that some homos tried desperately hard to be 'straight' or tried to deny the fact that they were gay and it just didn't work, then I thought maybe they are born that way afterall.
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Originally posted by cat-woman:
**Akif, you can't compare human beings to animals. We are of a completely different sexual nature - this is what sociology taught me in first year uni. Human beings are capable of being sexually attracted to basically anything - living or dead, when in dire need to be satisfied. Even a table may be sexually appealing. Didn't Freud say that all humans have homosexual and even incestuous tendencies?
I was caught in a dilemma a while back, trying to figure out whether homosexuals were born that way or was it a choice they made. When I found out that some homos tried desperately hard to be 'straight' or tried to deny the fact that they were gay and it just didn't work, then I thought maybe they are born that way afterall.**
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Well fatale, if they were born that way something may not be right. Maybe some mental illness. However, Sodomy is God's most hated sin after Shirk! (someone told me that - if there is any prrof for or against it please let me know and correct me)
I dont necessarily agree with this sociology/anthropology stuff. All they do is present theories, designed to defend any and every flaw that pops up in their social structure. Theories are a dime a dozen. Heck they even termed cursing kids as ones suffering from tourrettes syndrome, rather than just being rotten.
Humans share the instinctive side of their lives with animals. Animals stop at that, whereas humans go beyond that. Now anthropologists could come up with a million theories as to why thats not so, or why that comparison is not fair, but most of the time, it seems nothing other than an idea that blankets an issue.
Regarding homosexuality not giving rise to AIDS or other diseases, yes, it is said that homosexuality is not responsible for them. But that brings to mind one anomaly. Why is it that doctors always caution in favor of safe 'homosexual relations' in order to prevent the spread of AIDS? Why dont they warn against 'anal sex' of all kinds? even in heterosexual relations? Why do they make it a point to mention homosexuality?
if we are able to accept all other things prohibited by religion as norms, we shud be be able accept homosexuality too<<<
What prohibitions are taken as the norm? none that i know of. gamblers, rapists, adulterers, etc, in Islam, are all regarded as off course....people who need reformation.
we shud be be able accept homosexuality too...as a sin ofcourse but not as an abnormality:)
Naik, please:)
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Probably the biggest difference between homosexual and heterosexual sex is that the latter always has the fear of impregnation. Anal sex of all kinds is dangerous for the spread of aids, since blood vessels in that region will necessarily be broken. However, heterosexual sex is somewhat reckless in that nature since previously, there was almost no consequence to the action.
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Originally posted by Akif:
*Why is it that doctors always caution in favor of safe 'homosexual relations' in order to prevent the spread of AIDS? Why dont they warn against 'anal sex' of all kinds? even in heterosexual relations? Why do they make it a point to mention homosexuality?
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They do caution against heterosexual sex too. Not only that anal sex of all types is equally risky, even normal sex without condom is risky and doctors warn against it. It is very very wrong to think that if u have normal heterosexual relationship, u wont get AIDS. You have to use condoms with people u dont know. If u r under impression that normal heterosexual relation is safe by default, it is wrong.
On the other hand a homosexual relationship in women is pretty healthy. Lesbianism is least risky behavior as far as AIDS is concerned. In fact, much less risky than heterosexual relation. So do u think lesbianism is recommended for women.
Well i have already said earlier, its up to you believe 'em or leave em.
Facts will remain facts no matter ppl believe 'em or not. Green peas in a green peapod believe that the whole world must be green; and they are not wrong either....their world is green indeed but that doesn't transform our world in to a green pod :)My niece believes that angels leave babies at our doorstep....but she will learn eventually where babies really come from....i am sure she will....well i hope so:)
Btw physical/biological anthropology is a branch of S.C.I.E.N.C.E.
just like all other branches of science out there....ever heard of earth has a gravitational pull....every action has a reaction....planets move around sun....???
Ciao
ps>catty widout studying our first cousins chimpz, our 2nd cousinz orangutan and our daur daraaz ke rishtay daar other primates we won't be able to understand how, when, and why we became the kind of animals we are today:)
My niece believes that angels leave babies at our doorstep....but she will learn eventually where babies really come from....
What??? Angel don't leave babies at the doorsteps???
Btw physical/biological anthropology is a branch of S.C.I.E.N.C.E.
just like all other branches of science out there....ever heard of earth has a gravitational pull....every action has a reaction....planets move around sun....???<<<<
If you presented this as a counter-argument, I could write a whole thesis on how Quran and Islam defined most of the scientific advancements years before they were ever discovered.
Science is not something that was hidden under a rock and was eventually discovered by vasco-de-gama. Its been there since day 1, and all aspects of science and medicine have been adequately explained in the different faculties of Islam. Similarly, homosexuality has been adequately defined as well. In the end, however, its how we choose to perceive these things....all about personal choices.
Roman, just like my niece, u'll learn too... eventually!!
Akif bhaijaan, aap tou ghussa ghussa ho ge....ghussa ghussa is haram (gimmie a smile...)....and there is no need to write that thesis, i have the url for that site ....hey i am a yahoo pandit too....
anyways bhai saab i dinn say science is something new discovered by vasco-de-gama....ofcourse it was there all along but it took us 1400 yr to get that hidden knowledge from Quran....it took us 1400 yrs to realize that wot science is telling us now was already there in dat heavenly book.....but there is no full stop there.....trust me in next 1400 yrs we'll discover more stuff from Quran....:)
its how we choose to perceive these things....all about personal choices.
i do agree 100%...its how we choose to percieve things!!!!
Ciao,
ps>> wud you plz tell me how Quran/islam has defined homosexuality?
ps2>>and plz don't forget to add couple of smilies in ur post...
One thing I know is about the “Pattharoun ka azaab” on Qoum-e-Loot mentioned in Quran…
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
And that is enough for me to understand what is right and what is wrong…
All other “so-called Muslims Buzurj-mehr” of GupShup can use their awesome logic given by God to prove that God is wrong when He discourages such acts (na’ou zu billah).
p.s. Everyone is entitled to his/her own beliefs and “Wala tazeroo waa zeratoon wizra ookhraa”
Wama Alaina Illal Balagh!
Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!
Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
(And yes it’s a MALE Shaheen 
physical/biological anthropology is a branch of S.C.I.E.N.C.E.
Yes but a lot of it it is unproven science i.e., theory, which is a different thing altogether from fact.
from my viewpoint a lot of the stuff that anthropolgists come out with are merely observations. Unless they can prove their theories conclusively, you can pretty much take it or leave it. So I still tend to view homosexuals as misguided perverts. And so does most of the rest of the world at present, although they don't like to admit it.
Sorry Naik but i refuse to believe and i seriously doubt anyone who would think that chimps and urangutans are our first cousins!
Toabo Astaghfirullah - how can you say by observing primates we can work out human behaviour?!!
To say this you would have to believe in the theory of evolution and firstly its only a theory and secondly its a crap one at that!
Roman, just like my niece, u'll learn too... eventually!!
So who leaves babies at the doorsteps then if not angels???
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So who leaves babies at the doorsteps then if not angels???
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hmmmmm...That's pretty strong statement.
Roman, i have some theories based upon my observations but ppl don't seem to think highly of theories here...so i just don't wanna make a fool of ma self...sigh
Vicky, if devolution is possible so does the evolution....its all matter of our perception, how we look at things, how we interpret things....if we keep our minds open and think about it, the idea wont seem so alien to us. Indeed, we'll find a lot of conformities between idea and our religion...
you know that one son of Noah settled somewhere in Africa and another one chose Asia to settle down?....probably somewhere around China. And China and Africa are exactly the places where we have found the traces of australopithicines....
Nothing is impossible mere bhai, all we need is to keep our mind open...if not for ourselves, for our future generations atleast. Wid this "naozbillah" attitude we won't be able to make them understand the logic and rationality of religion....and they sure will discard it sayin,--(just like Ahmadi saab--"Religion doesn't provide any logical explanation..."
Shaheen, i know wot you are talking about but we are talking about ethnocentric behavior here....
Ciao!