OK, so the other day, the topic of discussion among some friends was rising numbers of homosexuals in Pakistan.
In an Indian magazine India Today, I did read, in a column written by Frieha Altaf, about homosexuals of our country and how they were only limited to some clubs of super posh and elite hotels until now and how Pakistanis have become open-minded about this fact of life and I know these creatures were always there in Pakistan. However, now it seems that almost every one in 20 people is gay. I was disgusted by the fact that Tariq Amin is a straight man and has a wife because I always thought he is homo because of the his body language. I was stunned when I came to know that Iraj Manzoor is a lesbo, lives with his girlfriend and openly admits about her relationship with a woman.
Back to my discussion with friends. One of the friend’s friend over-heard the chat and came to join us. She was in favor of homosexuals since, she thinks, it’s just as normal and natural as heterosexuality. One of her points, which totally blew my mind but it seems to be the belief of many Pakistani elites, was that since homosexuals are increasing in Pakistani society, it shows just how much the country is progression and adapting to the global momentum and that we all should embrace them with open hearts and minds because otherwise we will always be labeled as conservative and antique-minded Muslims.
It did force me to ponder what a non-Pakistani person would think about us if he ever happens to watch a Pakistani television or visits Pakistan? On one hand, you have a lady coming on a tv who is cocooned in a burqa and hand gloves and preaches the Quran and right after that program, you get a glimpse of an upcoming fashion show where everyone truly believes and trusts that less in terms of clothes and many of them are so gay that even their body cells are screaming I AM GAY I AM GAY!
I absolutely abhor despise this hypocrisy. What sort of modern thinking is it that you are wearing something bare minimum and when you open your darned mouth, all you blurt out is utter crap. Many of these so-called celebrities aren’t even college grads but trying their arse off to pretend that they belong to the contemporary world.
Call me conservative, orthodox or whatever but I’m not liking the face of new hypocrite Pakistan.
I agree with you. Our brain filter is totally messed up. We are willing to adopt anything and everything that happiness in west. Some how we always attach everything to fashion/trend/etc. and in the end we adopt it like our lost child. I am really surprised to know that how much we Pakistaniz are willing to be the part of 'global' culture and willing to do anything for it.
The powers who should exercise the uniqueness of our culture are conforming to the economic needs of a 'wanabe' nation. I wonder when i'll go back to my country will it still be Pakistan or something like USAkistan.
I agreed with you and will Vote YES! on proposition 8:dannyboy:{yahn tak tu puhnchy yahan tak tu aay yeh Californians) Umeed hy in ki dykh adykhi Pakistani Pakistan main bhi nyki ka rasta ikhtiyar kerin gy:D
We are such losers - we can't even stand up and say it outright that homosexuality is disgusting. This is why I HEART the Iranian President who was able to say on CNN that homosexuality is not welcome in Iran or by the Iranians!
I teach in a public school and it is sickening when I have to talk about this topic - I hate not being able to say that it is NOT okay if you are gay! Oh God - give us a backbone. Please.
Isn't this a bit ironic though that Pakistanis who are living outside of Pakistan are discouraging this gruesome practice even though they should be the ones affected by it and Pakistanis who RESIDE in Pakistan are embracing it more and more?
wishkamar they are learning what they are taught and teacher is Media :)
Welcome to new form of modern warfare. Instead of invading us, they are invading our minds. Sweat poison being injected in our blood ... drop by drop by drop.
This is such a controversial topic and to a certain extent your friend is right wishkamar. Not in her views that homosexuality is acceptable but in the sense if we reject it so openly we risk being labeled as intolerant and extremists. This supports the ideas people have of Muslims today in the West.
Aside from that, new trends that go completely against what our parents/religion taught us: sleeveless shalwar kameez, capri pants, halter tops, backless sarees, etc. I was so shocked when I started seeing sleeveless clothes in Pak a few years ago. I was born and bred in the USA and I still dont feel comfortable with these new fashions. You see Pakistani designer shows and their models are Muslim women in clothes that are barely there. I think to myself sometimes: Doesnt she care her dad might see her like this?
It doesnt make sense at all...we're a Muslim/Islamic country taking off our clothes and OKing homosexuality to compete in the modern world?
if anything homosexuality is ingrained in pakistani culture, especially of the tribal regions (just not openly discussed), just me two cents worth.
as long as you are comfortable in your own sexuality i don't see why it should be of concern to anyone, god is the ultimate judge not you or I. You should continue to live your life as you want and let god to the judging for all of us.
p.s. i have met many gays/lesbians in Pakistan and none of them have tried to shove it down my throat or 'try to convert me'. if iraj is a lesbian let her be, she isn't running around saying that all women should become lesbians. Maybe if you actually hung out with some homosexuals you guys would actually see that they are just normal like you and I.
Dont you think that people are blowing things out of proportion. Homosexuality was alway present in every culture, its just that homos are comoing out of the closet now.
Bing liberal doesnot mean that you become homosexual, its about tolerating if someone else is homosexual. I see no reason to hate homosexuals as long as someone is not trying to hit on me. Its their life and they have chosen how to live it, as long as they are not hurting anyone who is not interested, in my opinion its all fine.
Im not against gay people. I just dont think its right for Muslims to portray homosexuality as a normal thing in Pakistan. They can live however they like, no problem.
Anyone ever been to what they call Gay Pride Parade in the USA? Earlier this year, the parade was held close to one of our offices in Evanston. They closed off the entire area so I had to park further away and walk to work. The funny thing is, I dont think Ive ever seen such vulgarity in my life. If we are being asked to accept homosexuals as normal people, how is Gay Pride helping? Its literally a show of every kind of perversion (its the only word I can find) you can think of. Revolting! Do heterosexuals have parades to declare their heterosexuality?
All this does is make gay people look like freaks.
The title of the thread kind of makes sense...because the thing in this day and age is "acceptance" of the gay lifestyle.
Homosexuality has been around since time immemorial. ACCEPTANCE by the mainstream has not. They traditionally have to hide it and be ashamed of it.
In this day and age, the thing has evolved into trying to get the maintream, typical people to accept it. I do not and never will, accept that they are normal people. Yet I DO think that they deserve some of the things that mainstream people get...like a "gay couple" should be allowed to share health benefits. They should be allowed to make health decisions for each other. They should be allowed the tax benefits that any other married couple have. Does this make me "modern"? Probably. But it in no way makes me accepting of it...I mean I dont want my kids to have gay teachers or people of influence in their lives. I dont want "my two mommies" or "my two daddies "read to my kids at story time. But I think they DO deserve to live their lives as they want. Just not in MY backyard lol!
as long as you are comfortable in your own sexuality i don't see why it should be of concern to anyone, god is the ultimate judge not you or I. You should continue to live your life as you want and let god to the judging for all of us.
Yes your right, but as allah has provided us with completely clear, unmistakeable guidence on this issue it is our duty as muslims to clear the confusions which inhabit the minds of the 'offenders', to hate such people as to hate any1 who has done no intentional harm is to practice ignorance which has no place in religion. Islam requires none of its followers to be sheep, it demands the exact opposite.
Homosexuality = Confusionism
If you believe that as a muslim its your duty to influence those you come into contact with towards the islamic way of life via practicing what you preach, then in the case of dealing with the problem of homosexuality, you must also agree that this problem cannot be accepted but instead the confusion must be cleared via knowledge from the quran preferably dispensed by a scholar, our duty as less learned muslims is to help those affected by convincing them they have a problem & to seek help for them, not to hate, hate is ignorance, ignorance wosens the problem.
This is a lil sidetracked but lately i’ve been seeing more and more open gay couples EVERYWHERE… before it was like the odd instance where you would see two men holding hands on a train or something but im starting to see these sorts of people almost everytime I go out. Is it that people are becoming gay because now people are accepting it more, or have these people always been gay but they’re no longer hiding it because its a bit more acceptable in society? My neighbor has a 15 year old daughter, and last year she was like the popular cheerleader type of girl and always had guys chasing after her… and now of all a sudden she changed to this rainbow beads wearing, colorful clown looking thing that tries to hit on every girl that walks by. Whatever it is, it’s a bit disturbing. I liked it better when they stayed in the closet.
^^ I agree with you Mama of 3. I completely do accept that this is the way of living some people have chosen but rubbing this in everyone else's face, showing it off, carrying it as some sort of attribute is what I dislike.
Some people misconstrued what I mentioned in my first post and for them, I'd like to repeat myself. I mentioned Tariq Amin, that guy holds some big position in fashion industry ( I don't what he does nor do i care to figure), he was being interviewed by Angeline Malik once and his body language was screaming out loud that he is not heterosexual and that was OK. However, it was absolutely revolting and disgusting to learn later on that he is married to a woman. I mean, come on, why would you act like gays when you are not one? Just to be "accepted" in the mainstream fashion industry as a modernist?
Same goes with some homosexuals such as Iraj Manzoor and Bisexuals as Ali Saleem. I have always liked both of them right from the start. They are a pro at what they do. However, stating that you are a lesbian and lives with girlfriend out in the open with no guilt/embarrassment at all is what I disagree upon. Ali Saleem has given interviews where he was asked if he is really a bi and to which he responded he is actually a "try-sexual" person and has tried everything imaginable. Now, on one side, you can't stop bragging about Islam and what not, and on the other side, you are showing a face of what? New and Improvised Pakistan, perhaps?
homosexuality is not something that happens in the modern world... its has always existed ever since the creation of humankind. Homosexuality was the issue in Hazrat Lut AS's time too and that was the reason of His nation's destruction.
Well its better that these pervs be open about their homosexuality and stick with one partner rather than raping young boys in the dark, as has been the case for a long time in Pakistan.
Homosexuality and Bestiality are two disgusting practices quite prevalent amongst the ignorant Pakistani population.
If Pakistan was to stand true to its name 'Islamic Republic..', it would blindfold and shoot them all in a line. So yeah, Pakistan is a hypocrite in more than one ways :D (I don't personally condone such an act by the way)
I think its absolutely disgusting! Something that is forbidded in Islam and strognly condemned is now the way to be seccular. If Pakistan wants to try to be more modern why dont they make people more educated?
