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left-handed and homosexuals r not just right....
homosexuals r like thieves, murderers etc etc who chose to do the crime....
and criminals must be punished....
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Which studies Kaleem? TOmorrow someone can be told that being a muslim is the wrong choice and can be killed.... ala Jews...is that right?
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Matty, lets not get into the nitty gritty. You tell me is it natural? Nature did not intend it to be this way. Like the old saying goes, it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Let me just add to that it was Ram and Sita not Ram and Sham.
It is the solution, because thats what Islamic law is. As a Muslim accept it instead of thinking from a non-Muslim point of view.
… the punishment if Islam for sodomy is death whether the two involved are married or unmarried. Said the Prophet :saw: (peace be upon him):** “Whomsoever you find committing the act, kill them: both the active and the passive partners.” **(Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi, and Ibn Majah, authenticated sahih by al-Albani, Arwaa’ ul-Ghaleel 2350)
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Absolutely right. If 2 butt pirates are caught doing the nasty, there is an explicit command from God to execute them.
If a man does find himself attracted to another man, he must never, ever express this physically else his life is forfeit.
This is all true, but capital punishment could only be carried out through a legitamate shariah court.
Also it would require 4 witnesses to the act or a confession. You cant just kill people on suspision or even strong circumstansial evidence. And of course it is always better to remain quiet and Repent to Allah.
The same rulings also apply to hetrosexual adulterers (stoning). Islam is not just against homosexuality but all illegal sexual activity.
First off--> Kill the gay only if you can bring him back to life. Since none of us can, I suggest we levae it to Allah, shall we?
Second---> It was the man's fault, not because he was gay, but because he was weak,selfish and stupid. Being gay has nothing to do with those specific qualities in a person.
Third---> Some gays really cant help it, genetic malfunctions that can't be altered. It's really sad in their case because it's no one's fault. I believe it is just an imtihaan for them and I dont blame them if they fail because really, how many of us could live our entire life as a test and still come out on top?? None of us are saints.
Fourth---> I agree with some people here. The story seems fake. The secular class can do the sympathy thing all they want thats great, but come out with it on TV or radio because the sad thing is...most people in Pakistan cant read written news.
Someone up there said “researchers” said its natural for 10% ppl. Forgot the name but as much as i know the person who conducted this research was a GAY himself & he was never able to prove it sceintifically.
Later some other Medical research institutes also denied to accept this as a proven research.
Homosexuality is normal for those confused people who have hard time relating themselves to the seventh century era.
does this mean we nuke the whole of the cafe crowd?
why its happening?
I think in pakistan there are more gays than anywhere else though not declared.
apart from other reasons. its happening cause there is more easy access to same gender than the opposite one. and a healthy relationship between men and women is not encouraged.
that may be one reason.
well punishing them? will not cure the cause, educate them is good to have it in our system which is considered taboos to discuss.
I don't see what the big debate is. The people of Lut weren't destroyed by God for no reason. It's a moot point, Islam doesn't tolerate homosexuality. If death is the punishment, then so be it.
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I don't see what the big debate is. The people of Lut weren't destroyed by God for no reason. It's a moot point, Islam doesn't tolerate homosexuality. If death is the punishment, then so be it.
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*Peace be on those who say "we hear and we obey" and those are the successful in life hearafter.
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It is the solution, because thats what Islamic law is. As a Muslim accept it instead of thinking from a non-Muslim point of view.
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I wasnt thinking from a non-Muslim (rather Islamic) point of view.Im serious.Its not possible to go around in todays society and kill all the so called gays.There has to be some sort of effective solution.I mean Im not going against Islam- but wouldnt it be reasonable to educate people about this issue- rather then go off and kill them? By educate I mean before they get into a relationship with a person of the same gender.
MQ,
I see your point, however, I really think that an education is not what's missing here. I mean come on HOMO 101, girls are good, guys are bad? It's not something that can be taught, its natural. What's missing is an upbringing and the culcations of some morals/values by the parents which might curb these unnatural desires. As for the all gays walking around, if shariat is implemented, they should all be executed.
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its happening cause there is more easy access to same gender than the opposite one.
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okay.. so whats the excuse for people living in western countries then?
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okay.. so whats the excuse for people living in western countries then?
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Surror its pretty simple, if it feels right its ok. Do whatever your little heart desire, you can do anything as long as you believe in it and you think its ok.
^ You're right, you can do anything you want to, but whether its right or not is another matter.
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*Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: *Its not possible to go around in todays society and kill all the so called gays.
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It's not ALL the gays who need to be killed. Just the ones against whom evidence exists, or can be found, that they have been engaging in sodomy.
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okay.. so whats the excuse for people living in western countries then?
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I was only talking about gays in pak, well in west its much difference, I dont assume them as very natural or normal though some are very friendly and nice.
some want to try something new,
some want to be different from others
some just assume this is the only way they can exercise liberty
some had bad or no experience with oppsite sex partners and think its easy way out
then they justify thats its natural appeal.
personaly i think, because men and women are different naturaly and mentaly to make balance. once lacks one emotion or quality other has it more apart from common traits.
some people are so obssessed to find common grounds they go for same sex as well.
Executing homosexuals makes as much sense as saying all Muslims should be killed. May God cure those of you who belive such barbaric and un-Godlike rubbish of your ignorance, hatred and self righteousness.