Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
pak-one:
Just two of the recent protests:
However, I also agree with you, in terms of law and order, it is much better than Pakistan. I also agree that women enjoy greater freedom in Iran, as it is a more tolerant society compared to ours .
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The Iranian regime needs to take the grievances of the people onboard and tackle issues. There has been a bit hit on the economy because of the trade restrictions introduced a while ago and there is absolutely no freedom if you criticize the government.
My friend belongs to the Moosavi family and his cousin was beaten to death by the bloody state police last year. Yeah right, nothing is going on there. Everything is just cush!
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Women have more rights in iran than Pakistan? Yes, like forcing a hijab on them is "women rights"?
You must be comparing iran to the swat / fata area where you live and certainly iran would have more rights.
How about you send your sister and cousin to a market in "liberal" Karachi and Lahore and then we'll talk. Or even easier, do a search in the life section.
By rights, I am referring to career/educational opportunities, women driving etc...btw, I don't mean women just in the upmarket areas like Davoudiyah in Tehran but also in smaller cities and towns.
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Of course there will be protests – there are segments of society, the young, the intellectuals who are not happy. Not one country can claim that it has no problems or issues, however in Iran, the possibility of a “secularist” revolution is low. I don’t want to be a defender of the Iranian regime, but compared to Pakistan, they are a lot better.
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The Iranian regime needs to take the grievances of the people onboard and tackle issues. There has been a bit hit on the economy because of the trade restrictions introduced a while ago and there is absolutely no freedom if you criticize the government.
My friend belongs to the Moosavi family and his cousin was beaten to death by the bloody state police last year. Yeah right, nothing is going on there. Everything is just cush!
Iran has been hurt more by the sanctions, its foolish pursuit to fight with Israel than its domestic issues. Of course it needs to address the grievances of its people, and its government is MUCH better positioned to do so than Pakistan.
As for problems in the country, I spend a month each time I was there, without any fear of persecution (I'm not shia), or any threats of terrorism. I don't speak a word of farsi and was carrying a Swiss passport. SO the next time you're getting a full body search in Pakistan or running away from the next suicide bombing, just remember what I wrote.
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Iran has been hurt more by the sanctions, its foolish pursuit to fight with Israel than its domestic issues. Of course it needs to address the grievances of its people, and its government is MUCH better positioned to do so than Pakistan.
As for problems in the country, I spend a month each time I was there, without any fear of persecution (I'm not shia), or any threats of terrorism. I don't speak a word of farsi and was carrying a Swiss passport. SO the next time you're getting a full body search in Pakistan or running away from the next suicide bombing, just remember what I wrote.
Uh huh, too bad you don't represent the millions who are against the regime. People aren't asking for it to be overthrown but merely to be open to change.
The fact that you were in Iran and didn't have any problems bears nothing to the problems of the people in Iran. You probably wouldn't feel the same if you were a Moosavi and saw your family getting beaten to death. Somehow I think your stand would be very different. Too bad you don't see the whole picture.
Its amazing how I was travelling around Pakistan for months and didn't get a full body search, nor did I encounter a suicide bombing nor did I come across any violence personally. OMG! That must mean everything is perfect right?! See how I used your point in favour of Iran in favour of Pakistan? Point is hundreds and thousands of people don't encounter problems but the problems don't disappear.
Underneath that facade is public sentiment that is a festering sore that needs to be addressed. Both in Pakistan and Iran.
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Uh huh, too bad you don't represent the millions who are against the regime. People aren't asking for it to be overthrown but merely to be open to change.
The fact that you were in Iran and didn't have any problems bears nothing to the problems of the people in Iran. You probably wouldn't feel the same if you were a Moosavi and saw your family getting beaten to death. Somehow I think your stand would be very different. Too bad you don't see the whole picture.
Its amazing how I was travelling around Pakistan for months and didn't get a full body search, nor did I encounter a suicide bombing nor did I come across any violence personally. OMG! That must mean everything is perfect right?! See how I used your point in favour of Iran in favour of Pakistan? Point is hundreds and thousands of people don't encounter problems but the problems don't disappear.
Underneath that facade is public sentiment that is a festering sore that needs to be addressed. Both in Pakistan and Iran.
Again, I have never claimed that Iran is without its problems. It is much better positioned to deal with its issues compared to Pakistan. Moosavi and others are looking to reform the system not overthrow the regime. The young have been stifled but not crushed like Pakistan. The social fabric of Iran is intact.
Unless you were visiting Pakistan in the 90s or literally going to a house and staying there, you are not telling the truth about suicide bombing and searches - not a day goes by without an incident or two in Pakistan. I was referring to climate of FEAR and despondence that exists Pakistan but not in Iran. Unless you go to both countries, you will not be able to see the difference.
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Again, I have never claimed that Iran is without its problems. It is much better positioned to deal with its issues compared to Pakistan. Moosavi and others are looking to reform the system not overthrow the regime. The young have been stifled but not crushed like Pakistan. The social fabric of Iran is intact.
Unless you were visiting Pakistan in the 90s or literally going to a house and staying there, you are not telling the truth about suicide bombing and searches - not a day goes by without an incident or two in Pakistan. I was referring to climate of FEAR and despondence that exists Pakistan but not in Iran. Unless you go to both countries, you will not be able to see the difference.
I never said Iran was worse. My point was all is not cushy there too. I was agreeing with you while presenting the wider picture.
And yes, never got into trouble even though I went to places like in pretty much all provinces, bar Sindh. My point was just like you haven't personally experienced anything negative in Iran, I haven't personally experienced anything in Pakistan (In terms of violence no, corruption yes).
Err I've been to Iran many times before for business.
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How about you send your sister and cousin to a market in "liberal" Karachi and Lahore and then we'll talk. Or even easier, do a search in the life section.
By rights, I am referring to career/educational opportunities, women driving etc...btw, I don't mean women just in the upmarket areas like Davoudiyah in Tehran but also in smaller cities and towns.
Women can drive in karachi and can get a job (know many women who do) though workplace harassment is there, which don't tell me doesn't exist in iran as just recently, some women were put in jail for being w****s since they reported rapes that happened when drunk iranian men were breaking into houses and restraining men and having their fun with the women. Again, you are mistaking karachi / lahore to swat / waziristan :)
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khmer rouge haha now i know you are crackers, no i am not a member of HT but one thing i know you clearly have no clue khymer rouge were godless communists!!
Do you have something substantial to debate instead of making comical comparisons give me some concrete evidence because so far you have said they are texas chainsaw massacre and khymer rogue.
what is zardari regime in your world the mafia????
Are you for real. Khmer Rouge were commies, any idiot knows that. The point like them, the HT belives in an year zero, which would see extermination camps. The other fundos like the Jamaat keep their distance from the HT. You obviusly are a fan.
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I never said Iran was worse. My point was all is not cushy there too. I was agreeing with you while presenting the wider picture.
And yes, never got into trouble even though I went to places like in pretty much all provinces, bar Sindh. My point was just like you haven't personally experienced anything negative in Iran, I haven't personally experienced anything in Pakistan (In terms of violence no, corruption yes).
Err I've been to Iran many times before for business.
So I am not getting your point. A few weeks back there was a bombing in Norway, I could say "ohh things are not so cushy in Norway either"
The point here is that Pakistan NEEDS are revolution, where these corrupt politicians and impotent leaders are tossed out. I'd like to say anyone start this change in society. By mentioning Iran, I simply to choose to highlight the fact that things that count: personal safety, a social cohesion, and an organized society has emerged from that revolution. Do I support the Iranian theocracy? Absolutely not! But if I were Iranian, I'd be proud of the fact that at least my country's leadership has principles and not sold it self to America or the highest bidder.
Alright so you have been extremely luck to not have faced any problems in Pakistan, however they are MUCH worse than Iran. If you have been to Iran, you can definitely draw that comparison.
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Are you for real. Khmer Rouge were commies, any idiot knows that. The point like them, the HT belives in an year zero, which would see extermination camps. The other fundos like the Jamaat keep their distance from the HT. You obviusly are a fan.
extermination camps are you for real any evidence or your quoting from that mind of yours again. america has guantanamo bay and bagram air base and rendition flights to black jails we get that because there is proof but your claim has 0 evidence thats the difference.
listen post next time you off the medication because you cannot have a serious discussion in your current frame of mind.
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Women can drive in karachi and can get a job (know many women who do) though workplace harassment is there, which don't tell me doesn't exist in iran as just recently, some women were put in jail for being w****s since they reported rapes that happened when drunk iranian men were breaking into houses and restraining men and having their fun with the women. Again, you are mistaking karachi / lahore to swat / waziristan :)
Again chief, you have to realize that you highlighting SPECIFIC instances does not make Pakistan on the same level as Iran, when it comes to rights to women. Does Rape happen in Iran? Unfortunately, yes. Is there sexism in the workplace? sure. But comparing it to Pakistan, you have a greater portion of middle class (not elite) taking part in commerce, jobs and are a strong presence in Iran.
What percentage of the population of Pakistan lives in Karachi/Lahore? Lets talk about ALL of Pakistan and compare it to ALL of Iran (not just Teheran/Isfahan) and you'll see what I mean.
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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
Bottom line is that Pakistan needs a revolution – not exactly one that put HT in power, however one that wipes out the corruption and bring back security.