Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
UK is probably the only country that hasn't banned Hizb-ul-Tehrir and it is based there, so we can know who actually makes Hizb's plans.
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^^ I'd take Zardari any day over Taliban.
so you support a convicted fraudster and gangster to lead pakistan oh my goodness thank god the rest of the people don't have such defeated mentality.
Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
UK is probably the only country that hasn't banned Hizb-ul-Tehrir and it is based there, so we can know who actually makes Hizb's plans.
ok lets ban them, one question can i ask before you do that what is the reason for the ban?
Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
UK is probably the only country that hasn't banned Hizb-ul-Tehrir and it is based there, so we can know who actually makes Hizb's plans.
What proof do you have for UK's support for HT?
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its less of a support issue, but more about HT not getting banned there, I think in past some muslim organizations even petitioned the govt to Ban HT because of them harassing ppl by masjid and on uni campuses.
HT, in turn gave birth to even more disturbing groups like ghuraba, mohajiroun and characters like anjum ch.
I think UK govt just does not have enough to ban the group, after all free speech is allowed and HT plays it very shrewdly.
Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
its less of a support issue, but more about HT not getting banned there, I think in past some muslim organizations even petitioned the govt to Ban HT because of them harassing ppl by masjid and on uni campuses.
HT, in turn gave birth to even more disturbing groups like ghuraba, mohajiroun and characters like anjum ch.
I think UK govt just does not have enough to ban the group, after all free speech is allowed and HT plays it very shrewdly.
why should they be banned is it because they put pressure on pakistan government? if that is the case i support them 100%
Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
its less of a support issue, but more about HT not getting banned there, I think in past some muslim organizations even petitioned the govt to Ban HT because of them harassing ppl by masjid and on uni campuses.
HT, in turn gave birth to even more disturbing groups like ghuraba, mohajiroun and characters like anjum ch.
I think UK govt just does not have enough to ban the group, after all free speech is allowed and HT plays it very shrewdly.
Yeah the sub-groups have been banned but each time they come up with a new one, the latest one that got banned was Islam4UK. Same goes for BNP's English Defence League.
I hope they do something about it.
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I would take thieves any day over mullahs.
HT are worse then your average mulla. I know then well, they are the closer to the David Koresh style end of the world is happening now nut cases.
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why should they be banned is it because they put pressure on pakistan government? if that is the case i support them 100%
They should be banned because they are pshcopathetic nut cases. I have met Taji Mustafa, the HT leader, and he is scary. Or may be you feel very confortable with pschycos, may be your favourite film is the Texas Chain Saw Masacre.
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LOL... this story just shows how badly HT read the Arab Spring through the narrow lens of their own rhetoric. The Arab Spring was an uprising by the masses, yet HT thought to replicate it by an uprising in the military.
The HT clings to the idea that the minority can enforce the creation of a state. Maududi, on the other hand, had it right - in a radio speech in 1949 he stated that Pakistan would become an Islamic state on the day when the masses all demanded it with their own voices.
Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
They should be banned because they are pshcopathetic nut cases. I have met Taji Mustafa, the HT leader, and he is scary. Or may be you feel very confortable with pschycos, may be your favourite film is the Texas Chain Saw Masacre.
wow what an intelligent response "texas chainsaw massacre" what are you 15 years old?
Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
LOL... this story just shows how badly HT read the Arab Spring through the narrow lens of their own rhetoric. The Arab Spring was an uprising by the masses, yet HT thought to replicate it by an uprising in the military.
The HT clings to the idea that the minority can enforce the creation of a state. Maududi, on the other hand, had it right - in a radio speech in 1949 he stated that Pakistan would become an Islamic state on the day when the masses all demanded it with their own voices.
Actually the "arab spring" shows the tyrant rulers can be removed very easily they are on very shaky ground.
Most revolutions are done by a minorty group for example the chinese revolution began with a small group until the public opinion changed this is one way another way is through seeking the power through the people of influence directly example could be you have the support of the army and generals.
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wow what an intelligent response "texas chainsaw massacre" what are you 15 years old?
I suspect you know nothing about the HT. They are more like cult, very similar to the Khmer Rouge. They will, if they come to power wipe anyone who opposes them. If you are an HT member, tell me what you intend to do with opponents.
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Yes, the same Maududi who said the following:
http://pakteahouse.net/2009/08/15/maulana-maududis-role-against-jinnahs-pakistan/
What a turn around. Maududi was the most vociferous opponent of Mr. Jinnah and the Pakistan Movement. I reproduce here some of his referenced works here from his “Muslims and the Present Political Turmoil” (Vol.III) First Edition published from Delhi. Jamaat-e-Islami claims that the whole Two Nation Theory project was derived from Maududi’s writings which is completely untrue. Maududi described the idea of Muslim Nationalism as unlikely as a ”chaste prostitute”. Here he wrote:
*” Who are the Muslims you are claiming to be a separate nation? Here, the crowd called Muslims is full of all sorts of rabble. There are as many types of characters in this as in any (other) heathen people”. *(Vol. III, P.166)
“If you survey this so-called Muslim society, you will come across multifarious types of Muslims, of countless categories. This is a zoo with a collection of crows, kites, vultures, partridges and thousands of other types of birds. Every one of them is a ‘sparrow’. (Ibid. P.31)
One of Jamaat-e-Islami’s latter day claims has been that Mr. Jinnah wanted an Islamic state. Ironically this is what Jamaat-e-Islami’s philosopher in chief Maulana Maududi was writing back then:
*“Pity! From League’s Quaid-e-Azam down to the lower cadres, there is not a single person who has an Islamic outlook and thinking and whose perspective on matters is Islamic“. *(Ibid. P.37)
“To pronounce these people fit for leading Muslims for the simple reason that they are experts of Western type politics and masters of Western organizational arts, and are deeply in love with their people, is a manifestation of an unislamic viewpoint and reflects ignorance of Islam”. (Ibid. P.70)
“Even with a microscopic study of their practical life, and their thinking, ideology, political behaviour and style of leadership, one can find not a trace of Islamic character.” *
Jamaat-e-Islami now claims claims that the Muslim League won the elections because it promised Pakistan as an Islamic state. Here is what Maulana Maududi said then:
“In* no Muslim League resolution, or in a speech by a responsible leader of the League it has it been made clear that their final goal is of establishing an Islamic system of government.** Those who believe that** by freeing Muslim majority areas rule of Hindu majority, an Islamic government will be established here in a democratic set up, are wrong. In fact what will be achieved will be a heretical government by Muslims, indeed worse than that.”*** (Ibid. P.130-32)
Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
Btw, I am not sure if Iranians are necessarily "regretting" putting mullahs in power. Sure they have had issues but I don't see an internal uprising or messy internal security situation. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are better examples of religion being misused in the quest for power. I admit you make a strong argument, however a "third way" exists.
I am not sure, how many Iranians you have recently met with. Don't base your opinion on the words of our Ahl-e-Tash-hee brethren in Pakistan about the greatness of the Iranian Islamic government. Mullahs are quick to nab any uprising which raises its head there. Any protest against the government is automatically termed as against Islam and against the chosen people of Allah and becomes punishable by death. Ask an Iranian about the massive rigging done in the last elections just to ensure that no outsiders (popular figures) were elected. The officials who rigged were so stupid that when they were announcing the fake results in all the rigged zones, they announced vote margins in round figures (this holy man won by 20000 votes).
Iranian mullahs have exploited the name of Islam to such an extent and situation on ground has become so bad that the new generation of Iranians are in a semi-revolt against religion.
If parties like HUT get chance to rule, a similar situation will be in the making in Pakistan. They will be much more brutal than any Iranian Mullah government. Anyone against their ill doings will become "Dahria" and will become punishable, likely by death. Situation in Pakistan will be much worse as many different Muslim sects live here and automatically 99% of those will become heathen.
Anyways, Hizb has influence from Zawahiri, i.e., Egyptian. I have a few good Egyptian friends who I respect very much, but most of the Egyptians are extremely political and hypocrites. Zawahiri should go back to Egypt, now as Husni is out, and try to spread his philosophy in his own country instead creating rift among Pakistanis.
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I have been to Iran twice 2003 and 2009. I have a few good Iranian friends. I never said things were peachy in Iran, however if the government were to repress the population you would see a revolution, especially during this “Arab spring.” Iranians who do not like the regime end up leaving the country anyways.
In terms of the law and order situation, its 100x better than Pakistan. Yes there are problems like any other country, however women have more rights than Saudi Arabia and greater freedoms than Pakistan. Also, I am speaking based on the political not religious environment, as I am not a Shia Muslim.
I do agree with you on the Zawahiri. We need to build a religious yet prosperous Pakistan.
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The topic is about the HT. Can we agree that's had they succeded, it would be a disaster
Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir wanted Egypt-like uprising in Pakistan
I have been to Iran twice 2003 and 2009. I have a few good Iranian friends. I never said things were peachy in Iran, however if the government were to repress the population you would see a revolution, especially during this “Arab spring.” Iranians who do not like the regime end up leaving the country anyways. In terms of the law and order situation, its 100x better than Pakistan. Yes there are problems like any other country, however women have more rights than Saudi Arabia and greater freedoms than Pakistan. Also, I am speaking based on the political not religious environment, as I am not a Shia Muslim.
I do agree with you on the Zawahiri. We need to build a religious yet prosperous Pakistan.
Women have more rights in iran than Pakistan? Yes, like forcing a hijab on them is "women rights"?
You must be comparing iran to the swat / fata area where you live and certainly iran would have more rights.
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I suspect you know nothing about the HT. They are more like cult, very similar to the Khmer Rouge. They will, if they come to power wipe anyone who opposes them.
khmer rouge haha now i know you are crackers, no i am not a member of HT but one thing i know you clearly have no clue khymer rouge were godless communists!!
Do you have something substantial to debate instead of making comical comparisons give me some concrete evidence because so far you have said they are texas chainsaw massacre and khymer rogue.
what is zardari regime in your world the mafia????
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Hahaha the HuT are a bunch of lunatics. They're never coming to power in Pakistan.