Would a guppy shed some light on the history of Namaz? The reason I am interested is because; I am of the opinion (this has been on my mind for sometime now) that the namaz said by prophet Mohammad (P.b.u.h) and the prayers said today are different. HEre is my simple reasoning and hence the burning question:
When we say "Ashadan-la-illaha-ill-allah… Ahshadan Muhammadan…
I don’t think that Prophet Mohammad (PBH) would have testified for himself and raised the finger (as witness). So when was this incorporated? and do the shiites and other off-shoots of Islam (ahmadis etc) practice this the same way or they differ?
What are the exact words that Prophet Mohd (pbuh) used in prayers and what was the proper posture (did that change as well)?
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i'll converse with the dead and tell u.....hang on......its going to be a long wait.......pehli saaf walai hi asani sai nahi miltai, forget abt namazis standing right next to Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), eavesdropping on how he referred to himslef under his breath.......i'lltry nevertheless.
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If in order to become a Muslim...one has to recite the Kalimah...would then the Prophet (SAW) also not have said "Ahshadan Muhammadan." -- perhaps a bit differently as he would have been referring to himself...but he would have used it nonetheless wouldnt he?
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^^ You bring a good point and now I am even more confused. I think it's best (in religion) sometimes to just follow rather than question portions of a particular belief (just makes it more confooosing).
BTW I thought of this question just this morning saying my prayers.
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Hmmm... I think the namaz is the way how the Prophet (Peace be upon him) taught it to his companions.
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Hmmm... I think the namaz is the way how the Prophet (Peace be upon him) taught it to his followers.
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verizon theres more to it do you think Prophet pbuh would have sent darood on himself? if your answer is no then you are wrong.because he sent darood on himself as well and if you believe in first part of kalma second becomes a must. for who brought the message of tuheed but Prophet pbuh?
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^^ Wise one. I was not questioning. You can't question a belief (its blind faith or nada). It occured to me yesterday mrning as I was saying my morning prayers and lifted my finger while saying "ashadan la illaha..............." that did Proh Mohd (pbuh) actually do that or was that a sunnat? thats why I asked the question O mighty Wise One.
As far as as the Kalima is concerned, I didnt ask about Kalima.
BTW the name of the thread is "History of Namaz" I got 7 responses (2 mine) and no one shed light on the history of namaz.
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Verizon mairay bhayee.. just follow as you said.. don't ask questions.. if you do.. you'll become an outcast.. more or less like myeslf and others who dared ask these simple questions just cuz somethings just don't add up..
Yes it'd be interesting to know the real source of what we recite sitting down.. the At-Tahyaat and the durood.. when was it first introduced in it's current form and by whom.. these are interesting questions indeed... more interesting are the observations that "salat" is for Allah alone.. why are we dragging in prophets in there? it's supposed to be our time alone with Allah.. praising him.. at least that's what he expects from us.
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and that means we can’t supplicate to Allah in salah?
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So when you say history, do you also have any particular source you want to be mentioned?
The way the Salat is performed and the things that are recited in the Salat came to Muslims is the same way Quran came to us and the same way that we perform other arkan of Islam.
Looking at the history of Islam, the first publicly Ba-jamat Salat was performed in Makkah by the holy prophet around 616 AD after Umer 
accepted Islam. Before that time the holy prophet thought Muslims how to perform Salat and they use to Pray at their homes.
The detail of how Muslim prayed is also given in Ibn-Hisham and later by Ibn Ishaq, mind you that both of them were historians and had no contribution to any Hadith collection. Now the question about what we recite, I think we recite what has been narrated by the holy prophet to us through Hadith, if that is not a good enough source for any one then that’s his own choice. It will ultimately boil down to how much believe you have in Hadith.
Now if you want any other sources, then I am sorry orientalists had little time to ponder about this aspect of Islam.
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^^ MinieMe that is beautiful thank-you. Can you point me to a english version of their historical recordings if you come across; I will google myself but if you have it handy and dont mind?
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ok MiniMe bhaijaan you’re on.. let’s put the Qur’an to one side for the moment.. and the discussion whether it reached us through the same source and do we have a complete manuscript that pre dates the first copy of the Qur’an to our knoweldge or any written accounts that pre date that copy, explaining how it was compiled.
Can u please share with us the exact hadith and it’s current classification (meaning whether it’s just a Sunni hadith or has universal acceptance) and whether it details what we recite in salat?
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PA I dont think anybody is an outcast for asking for explanations. However, if you're going to ask for them, do so only if you're willing to hear the answers.Most people - and I dont mean you- tend to question, yet they refuse to hear the answers/explanations. Its pointless to go around for explanations if you dont plan to give them any thought.
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MQ that was more a rhetorical question.. i didn't come here without first seeking to learn with an open mind.. I've read most of what passes as hadith literature... and how mostly scholars have defined what we pray in our salats.
remember i once was an ardent followers of all that.. boy what a life that was... always wondering what dua to recite for doing what.. opening the door, stepping inside, or out.. washing my hands, spitting, cleaning my nose.. it drove me nuts that this religion was practically IMPOSSIBLE for someone who also had a life.
Then there were these lascivious details with which which narrators (or someone attributing it to their names) freely discussed their respected Prophet's private life; it turned me off. I took refuge in the Qur'an and surprise surprise! there is a whole different religion in there than what i had been practicing.
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k luv wat i meant was the reason that made you question was did he say kalima himself? your “simple reasoning” was that “you dont think he would have testified himself”, now i see a hole in that reasoning because if he can say darood on himself why cant he testify himself as well? Second i think tashahud is farz in nomaz, rest of the nomaz can vary in different sects but farz they all agree on.so if this is the only reason for your doubt then rest assured eh?
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help us by quoting the source of the tashahud O Wise One
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PA Quran comes first, Hadith are to help us as examples. I really do think you were confused. But good to know you seem to have found the right track!
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There is a little differennce in the way shias and sunnis pray. Main one being that shias leave their hands ‘open’ i.e. by their sides instead of crossing hands over chest/abdomen as the sunnis do, with the exception of the Maliki fiqh within the sunni madhab who also don’t cross hands whilst praying. Historically they believe Umar introduced the practised of hands crossing over during qiyam of salah.
But like all muslims, the wajib parts of salah remain the first takbeer, after the intention, the qiyam, ruku, sajdatain and zikr etc. Shias also do sajda on natural earth (as sunnah of the Prophet) wherever possible so carry around clay tablets.
The biggest difference I think is in doing wuzu. Shias don’t wash their feet as a compulary part of wuzu but instead wipe (masah) the top of each foot - something to do with a verse in the Quran.