History of Numerology

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The history of numerology is somewhat cloudy with no definite answer as to where it first originated. Egypt and Babylon are recognized as the earliest recorded history of numerology by the majority of numerologists. It was here that the Chaldean system was developed under the influence of the Hebrews. There is also evidence of the use of numerology thousands of years ago in China, Rome, Japan and Greece. The credit for modern numerology, however, is most often given to the Greek philosopher Pythagoras.

Pythagoras was born is Greece around 590 BC and was one of the best known philosophers of his day. If his name sounds familiar it is likely because you were taught his theories in high school geometry class. He was a very important figure in the development of mathematics, although little is known about his true achievements.

There is very little recorded of the early life of Pythagoras, but it has been reported that he was a very magnetic, attractive, charismatic person and that everyone loved him. He is also belived to have won prizes for his agility at the Olympic games.

When Pythagoras was around 50 years old he established a school that was sort of a secret society in Crotona, Italy. The society was called the semi-circle and there he taught Mathematics, Astronomy and Music. The society was open to both men and women. and it is said that his students were made to adhere to a strict code of secrecy and were not allowed to put any of his teachings in writing. It has also been reported that his students had to go through a 5 year period of perfect silence which allowed them to reach a level of deep contemplation and to develop faith. Most of the little that is known of what he taught was written down after his death.

Rather than focusing on solving mathematical problems like modern day mathemeticians, Pythagoras was primarily interested in the concepts or principles behind the mathematics. He felt that the entire universe could be expressed through numbers, and created a system for this that was then further expanded by other Greek philosophers. Although Pythagoras did not invent numerology, his theories took it to a different level which is why he is often credited with being the father of numerology.

Dr. Julia Stenton is credited both with raising awareness of Numerology in modern times in many parts of the world and with giving the name “Numerology” to the Science of Names and Numbers.

Though numerology is probably the least known or understood of the metaphysical sciences it is enjoying a resurgence in popularity. Today it is most often used to discover secret meanings and to predict the future.

History of Numerology

Arab Mathematicians also contributed a lot to this field including introduction of Algebra.It is said that numerology is also in built in Quran and number 19 is most important in this regard.

Besides Arabs, Hindu Mathematicians also had good knowledge.

[psyah]

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Peace muqawwee123

There is a place for numerology, but not necessarily when it comes to the number 19 ... In many cases there are fixes instigated by people like Rashad Khalifa ... However there are many other things in the Qur'an that show it's numerical miracle ...

I think the rule is to look for both numerical and contextual consistency ... and the patterns and sequences used need to have a basis - i.e. we should not be using any old calculation for the sake of it.

[the_kaur]

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Hindu mathematicians were in pure mathematics, for future related and personalty mapping etc, Hindus always used astrology:), even to this day I have more faith in astrology than numerology:)

[muqawwee123]

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@psyah

Peace muqawwee123

There is a place for numerology, but not necessarily when it comes to the number 19 ... In many cases there are fixes instigated by people like Rashad Khalifa ... However there are many other things in the Qur'an that show it's numerical miracle ...

I think the rule is to look for both numerical and contextual consistency ... and the patterns and sequences used need to have a basis - i.e. we should not be using any old calculation for the sake of it.

Peace psyah

I read that Huroof e Muqatiaat also based on the number 19. Let me find out some material about it

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Hindu mathematicians were in pure mathematics, for future related and personalty mapping etc, Hindus always used astrology:), even to this day I have more faith in astrology than numerology:)

But isn’t astrology calculations is based on numbers (numerology)?

[muqawwee123]

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Huroof e Muqataat and no.19

The holy Quran is the only book that has certain chapters (suras) that have specific initials - called ‘muqataat’. These initials seemed to have no meaning. Only 14 of the Arabic letters of the alphabet are used. These 14 letters are constituted into 14 different combinations. Only 29 suras have these letters on them. 14+14+29=57. 57=19x3

Bismillah* - the section of the seal that refers to the name of God, is made up of ten letters in Arabic, not including repetitions, of which nine are common with the muqataat. The Arabic letter for ‘B’ is not used. 10+(10-1)=19.

Sura al qalam (68) contains a muqataat letter, ‘nun’ or ‘n’ in English. If you count how many times ‘nun’ appears in that sura, you will find there are 133 of them - 133=19x7.

Suras 50 and 42 contain the letter ‘qaf’. Sura 42 has a five-letter combination ending with qaf. Lets just look at this sura first. If we add all the 'ha’s, 'mmin’s, 'ain’s, 'sin’s and 'qaf’s we get a total of 570. 570=19x30).

Now, let’s focus on ‘qaf’.

Suras 42 and 50 have ‘qaf’ as a common denominator. There are 57 'qaf’s in sura 50 and 57 'qaf’s in sura 42. 57=19x3. 57+57=114=19x6. Scholars think that ‘qaf’ may mean ‘Quran’, hence 114 as that are one for every sura. There is an average of one use of the word ‘god’ (Allah) for every 2.5 ayaats; if one sentence is deleted or added then this preserving system would be for nothing. This is one of the ways historians can prove the Quran remains the same as it was the day it was first written down.

*We have, without doubt, sent down the message, and we will assuredly guard if (from corruption). *

Al hijr the rocky tract (15:9).

Suras 7,19 and 38 have the common dominator ‘sad’. The total numbers of 'sad’s in these three ayaats is 152. 152=19x8.

In fact, every one of the muqataat letters can be reduced to a domination of 19. Even on suras that contain four or five of these letters.

Sura 7 contains ‘alif’ (2529 times), ‘lam’ (1530 times), ‘mim’ (1164 times) and ‘sad’ (97 times). Add them all up and you get 5320, which is 19 x 280.

Sura 19 contains ‘kaf’ (137 times), ‘ha’ (175 times), ‘ya’ (345 times), ‘ain’ (117 times) and ‘sad’ (26 times). Add them all together and you get 796, or 19x42.

h2g2 - Islam, Numerology and the Number 19

[muqawwee123]

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Read this from Dr Annemarrie Schimmel’s book ‘Mystery of numbers’

In the Islamic tradition, the art of producing elegant chronograms was highly developed, and in later times the title of a book might be used to record the date of its completion:

the Persian title of the book Bagh u bahar (Garden and spring), for example, shows by its numerical value (2 + 1 + 1000 + 6 + 2 + 5 + 1 + 2 + 200) that it was composed in the year 1216 of the Islamic era (180112 c. E.). One could similarly give the date of a person’s death by applying a fitting word or
sentence, and this art has been practiced with particular skill in the eastern Islamic countries.

I also heard that some poets gave their date / year of death through a shair and its numerology. Also ‘Bismillah’ is commonly written as ‘786’.

[psyah]

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@muqawwee123

Huroof e Muqataat and no.19

The holy Quran is the only book that has certain chapters (suras) that have specific initials - called ‘muqataat’. These initials seemed to have no meaning. Only 14 of the Arabic letters of the alphabet are used. These 14 letters are constituted into 14 different combinations. Only 29 suras have these letters on them. 14+14+29=57. 57=19x3

Bismillah* - the section of the seal that refers to the name of God, is made up of ten letters in Arabic, not including repetitions, of which nine are common with the muqataat. The Arabic letter for ‘B’ is not used. 10+(10-1)=19.

Sura al qalam (68) contains a muqataat letter, ‘nun’ or ‘n’ in English. If you count how many times ‘nun’ appears in that sura, you will find there are 133 of them - 133=19x7.

Suras 50 and 42 contain the letter ‘qaf’. Sura 42 has a five-letter combination ending with qaf. Lets just look at this sura first. If we add all the 'ha’s, 'mmin’s, 'ain’s, 'sin’s and 'qaf’s we get a total of 570. 570=19x30).

Now, let’s focus on ‘qaf’.

Suras 42 and 50 have ‘qaf’ as a common denominator. There are 57 'qaf’s in sura 50 and 57 'qaf’s in sura 42. 57=19x3. 57+57=114=19x6. Scholars think that ‘qaf’ may mean ‘Quran’, hence 114 as that are one for every sura. There is an average of one use of the word ‘god’ (Allah) for every 2.5 ayaats; if one sentence is deleted or added then this preserving system would be for nothing. This is one of the ways historians can prove the Quran remains the same as it was the day it was first written down.
*We have, without doubt, sent down the message, and we will assuredly guard if (from corruption). *

Al hijr the rocky tract (15:9).

Suras 7,19 and 38 have the common dominator ‘sad’. The total numbers of 'sad’s in these three ayaats is 152. 152=19x8.

In fact, every one of the muqataat letters can be reduced to a domination of 19. Even on suras that contain four or five of these letters.

Sura 7 contains ‘alif’ (2529 times), ‘lam’ (1530 times), ‘mim’ (1164 times) and ‘sad’ (97 times). Add them all up and you get 5320, which is 19 x 280.

Sura 19 contains ‘kaf’ (137 times), ‘ha’ (175 times), ‘ya’ (345 times), ‘ain’ (117 times) and ‘sad’ (26 times). Add them all together and you get 796, or 19x42.

h2g2 - Islam, Numerology and the Number 19

Peace muqawwee123

The source of this 19 phenomenon is from Rashad Khalifa … it is not cogent with the rest of the studies on numerology, but it takes a true mathematician to work that out.

First of all … Multiples of 19 has no significance … It has to be 19 or not 19 … and it has to serve a purpose … for example:

In the Qur’an it is said that Jesus is like Adam - so when counting the number of times Jesus and Adam occur they are equal in number … Also, wherever something is said to be unlike the other then the number of times always has a difference of 1. But there is no importance for 19 that is being alluded to in any of the post.

And looking further - why did they delete the “b” from bismillah?

Furthermore the numerology is all wrong … They are focusing on repetitions for each singular letter … but the letters have significance in terms of their value … Alif =1, ba = 2, Jeem = 3, Daal = 4 … ghain = 1000

Abjad numerals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whenever someones says this happens this many times and this many times and if you add this to that we get a multiple of 19 - this is all pointless … Allah (SWT) Kalam is about portraying meaning … For example … Surah Baqarah has 286 verses … Verse 143 is the middle verse of this Surah and the verse translation contains the phrase “Ummatan Wasatan”

Surat Al-Baqarah [2:143] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???

A balanced nation - A middle nation - justly balanced ummat, etc … So the meaning of the middle verse reflects the position that verse occupies in the chapter - you see there is context here.

[TLK]

@the_kaur

Hindu mathematicians were in pure mathematics, for future related and personalty mapping etc, Hindus always used astrology:), even to this day I have more faith in astrology than numerology:)

And I thought that you are Sikh, not Hindu

[LP]

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Isnt astrology & numerology not allowed in Islam ?

[muqawwee123]

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@Little Princess

Isnt astrology & numerology not allowed in Islam ?

Any reference?

[LP]

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My sentence was an interrogative one not a declarative one

[ninja_hattori]

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please further eplain difference between interrogative and declarative...my grammar is weak.................:@:

[muqawwee123]

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@ninja_hattori

please further eplain difference between interrogative and declarative…my grammar is weak…

Dictionary nahin hai aap ke paas.

[LP]

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Interrogative = question
Declarative= statement
Imperative = request or command

[LP]

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@muqawwee123

Dictionary nahin hai aap ke paas.

aik sawal poochne waley ko maara…
Mujhey maar! tou khair nai hogi:hoonh:

[muqawwee123]

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@Little Princess

My sentence was an interrogative one not a declarative one

Ok let me find it out, but I think that is not disallowed in absolute terms, until used for bad purposes. I kinda remember that there are verses which refer to attempts of Shayateen to bring future news from heavens (we may say it a form of astrology) and then their hitting with ‘Shahab Saqib’. But I can’t remember anything specific about numerology.

[the_kaur]

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Does Islam believes that destiny is preordained??

@TLK

And I thought that you are Sikh, not Hindu

I am 24 carat ki Jatt sikh:)

@muqawwee123

But isn’t astrology calculations is based on numbers (numerology)?

Astrology is calculated position of Sun,moon,mercury,mars,venus,jupiter,saturn,rahu and Ketu at the time of birth at the place one is born. The calculation is used to calculate the relative position of all these with respect to time and place of birth of an individual:)

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Does Islam believes that destiny is preordained??

IMO Islamic beliefs accommodate concept of destiny. There is also concept of Taqdeer in Islamic literature.

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Astrology is calculated position of Sun,moon,mercury,mars,venus,jupiter,saturn,rahu and Ketu at the time of birth at the place one is born. The calculation is used to calculate the relative position of all these with respect to time and place of birth of an individual:)

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Is any kind of calculation possible without using numbers?

[psyah]

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@muqawwee123

Is any kind of calculation possible without using numbers?

Yes ... if we have scales we can calculate equal weight, by comparison. Geometry also helps us calculate things without numbers. For example if we fold a piece of paper in half, we have effectively calculated the midway line of that paper. Also, if you get a short stick and long stick and mark off using a pen then you can find the middle by an iterative process.

When we fire an arrow to a target we are calculating how to hit it without numbers.

We should not confuse numerology for mathematics ...

In numerology - a symbol or letter represents a number value. So the arrangement of letters in a word or verse gives us a number value and hence other things with the same number value can be related ... but there are other checks and balances in place, we can't compare things that are out of context to one another for example.

Numerology utilises numerical cyphers to decode matters for a deeper purpose. Mathematics is about using + - = * and / signs to equate things of numerical value.

The end point of maths is to find identities ... but the end point of numerology is to decode scripture for its hidden meanings.

The number 19 phenomenon is not fool proof it is fixed ... even in the areas where it allegedly works the rules utilised to get the answers are vague. Also, it is primarily set out to make 19 an identity ... and does not achieve anything else, but even that it is not consistent or the claimants are not being honest with their calculations.