Hispanic vermin fleeing crash goes wrong way, kills three

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I am so glad this worthless piece of sh!t is also dead as a result of him trying to run away from the scene of an accident. How many people need to die before we as americans do something about the illegal and criminal Mexican invasion of US?

Driver fleeing crash goes wrong way kills three in Marietta

By [EMAIL=“[email protected]”]YOLANDA RODRIGUEZ
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 03/17/08

The wrong-way driver in a crash that killed him and two members of a Braselton family was trying to get away after being involved in fender-bender minutes before the fatal wreck, Marietta police said Monday.

Nicasio Rodrigo Vicente-Hernandez, 29, was trying to get away after a minor traffic accident on Cobb Parkway, near the Canton Road bridge, Sunday about 9 p.m, police said witnesses told them.

Police were not pursuing Vicente-Hernandez at that time and only learned about the earlier wreck as they were investigating the fatal crash.

Vicente-Hernandez fled the first wreck. He got onto the Canton Road Connector the wrong way and rammed his 1999 Mercury Villager van head-on into a southbound 1995 Ford Taurus driven by Rodney James Godfrey, 47, of Braselton, said Detective Jake King, a Marietta police spokesman.
Eric Godfrey, 17, also was killed."

Mary Clare Godfrey, 51, was in serious condition Monday at Atlanta Medical Center. The couple’s 12-year-old son was taken to Children’s Health Care of Atlanta. Because the youth’s name was not released by police, the hospital could not provide information on his condition.

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Your generalisation and apparent hatred for Mexicans is no less appalling than this incident. I doubt that his being a hispanic, legal or illegal, has anything to do with his actions. And even if he was trying to flee the scene to avoid getting caught without a valid license, its quite likely that any other illegal immigrant from any part of the world would have behaved similarly.

How painful was childbirth?
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Spare us the political correctness and the *hate *card... that most liberals use in situations like this. You know how many **people die **daily/monthly/yearly because of this vermin?

I don't like people sneaking into the country ILLEGALLY and then KILL its citizens. They are criminals hence the outrage...

How many criminals and illegals and killers are you going to defend?

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FF,

He called Mr. Vicente-Hernandez as a "worthless piece of sh!t", which is an opinion but not a generalization.

And he referred to "illegal and criminal Mexican invasion of US" which is a real-life wide-spread issue.

Neither of these statements collectively mean that ALL Mexicans in the US are a worthless piece of whatever or that all are criminals. Point is that illegal immigration needs to be checked and illegal drivers are unsafe on the roads because they are a threat to fellow drivers (lack of awareness of laws, rules and a tendency to run away after being in an accident). This particular accident just highlightsr these very problems. The guy was running away from a fender-bender and panicked, thus causing a fatal accident.

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illegal resident vermin or whatever fleeing crash is far more appropriate, I don;t see the need to attach mexican with it. There is such an outrage when the term 'muslim' or 'islamic' is used in a headline while reporting a crime of a single muslim, I don't see how this is any different.

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Why not? He is mexcan/hispanic. HE IS. Why not call it what he is? Why not list his background and where he comes from? He is illegal, he is mexican, he is hispanic.

Political Correctness can stay with you.

If some muslim commits a crime, he is mentioned as a Muslim. I don't know why you have sympathy for these illegal and criminal losers who roam around the country, often without license/insurance causing accidents and killing people.

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Sympathy? Calm down so you can understand what is being written. I have no sympathy for any criminals but at the same time I think a criminals ethnicity is not needed in a headline while reporting a crime unless you are trying to associate the behaviour with all people of that nationality and sensationalise it, which I find to be the case in headings like, 'muslim man steals...' etc. Go ahead and vent out at all illegal immigrants but whats the need to mention mexican. Plus no where in the linked article is it mentioned that the driver was mexican, not sure how you came to the concusion that he is. South american, maybe but mexican?

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Faisal and Jaan Leva: there is no statistical evidence to my knowledge showing that hispanic illegal immigrants are more accident prone than american hispanics, whereas there is evidence that hispanic drivers are generally more accident prone.

so wheras you may get all emotional about it and say illegal immigration is killing our children one road accident at a time, unless you produce evidence to the contrary you’re really just angry at hispanics. which is fair enough, really.

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I didn't say anything that illegal hispanics are more accident prone. Did I? So lets not lump illogical things together and put words in another person's mouth. What I said was that there is definitely an issue of illegal immigrants. Any rational political commentator will agree with that. I also said that illegal immigrant drivers are a road hazard because they may not be familiar with the rules, laws and are more tempted to flee an accident. No where did I did not say they are more or less of a hazard than any other race. Some other groups of people can be even more of a threat... e.g. studies show teen drivers have a higher tendency to get into an accident. If an accident like that happens, we can certainly talk about teen-age driving issues too.

For now, lets get past the political correctness and nit-picking and talk about this particular accident. By the way, by now, I am really not sure what the heck Jaan Leva wanted to discuss any way. It was probably just a race flamer, and predictably it worked. :)

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The article doesn’t even mention that he is an illegal alien but who wants to place bets that he was one? Now, if it was Muslim, you would see nationality and the other stuff in the article, or maybe in the heading.

South American, Latin American/Mexican, what difference does it make? Its two ends of the same shi!thole… where we get drugs, criminals and murderers our way in the north.

I’ve emailed the newspapers to see if they know the nationality but I doubt they would tell as they didn’t bother to mention it in the article, pathetic.

Ravage, all the stats you need are here:

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_traffic_accidents.html

Faisal, it was not a race baiter… apparently, some people can’t keep their political correctness to themselves. When incidents like this occure, we must not take sides with the illegals. A father and son died, mother and a child in the hospital… had this vermin not crossed the border illegally, not driven the car illegally, they would be alive today.

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So you say illegal immigrants are a road hazard but they are not more accident prone? Im not sure if you say you did not mean illegal hispanics, clearly the context is immigration from mexico as you make clear here:

*And he referred to "illegal and criminal Mexican invasion of US" which is a real-life wide-spread issue. *

Studies attribute higher prevalence of accidents amongst hispanics to cultural and language issues, not legal status. So the whole illegal immigration bit needs to either be corroborated with some evidence, or you are effectively just railing against an ethnic community.

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Some other groups of people can be even more of a threat... e.g. studies show teen drivers have a higher tendency to get into an accident. If an accident like that happens, we can certainly talk about teen-age driving issues too.

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How is that relevant though? Say you accuse me of being islamophobic and I say in response "Hey Hindus can be even more of a threat..".

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For now, lets get past the political correctness and nit-picking and talk about this particular accident. By the way, by now, I am really not sure what the heck Jaan Leva wanted to discuss any way. It was probably just a race flamer, and predictably it worked. :)
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Sure, but that was never the intent of this thread was it. Im all for political incorrectness if it isnt just a license for a particular strain of bigotry.

Its amusing for me when Muslims start taking their talking points from Rush like this thread clearly is.

Jaan Leva: No they arent! Please point me to a credible statistical link inside that compilation of mexicans are evil site. half baked political propaganda is not statistical proof. I could compile similar lists of white people or gays who eat children. Once again, there IS evidence that hispanics are more accident prone (i can point you to a credible scientific study) but there is no evidence that illegal immigrants within that community are more accident prone.

That site you link to hardly cares about the differentiation, and neither do you.

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I wonder if display of anger is slave to choice of abusive language. It should be kept in mind that an action of an individual within a specific group doesn't call for a collective punishment for that group.
Last but not least that no one would like to be "illegal" unless struck with a reason compelling enough....................................

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well if he was found with no valid license chances are that he was illegal. plus while assuming he was illegal for me was a sort of a worst case scenario if you refer back to post#2. In your case you sated it with much conviction.
feel free to carry on with ur displaced anger though. I should take a break and get some work done now.

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Differentiation regarding what?
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This is half backed political propaganda?*

For a detailed report on what is happening on the roads and highways of the East Coast see the article Harvest of death on the Eastern Shore where it is reported that while 5% of the population in the area is Hispanic they are involved in 25% of the fatal traffic accidents, an astounding 5 times as much participation as representation. Given the fact that most members of the Hispanic community are law abiding and responsible citizens, that means that a large percentage of the illegal alien portion of the Hispanic community is even worse. How much worse nobody knows because NOBODY IS TRACKING IT.
A review of State Police auto accident reports for 2002 through 2004 for that area of the Eastern Shore also revealed that of the 179 accidents involving Hispanic laborers:

  • 75% of the drivers had no auto insurance.
  • Nearly all of the vehicles driven by migrants were registered to other drivers.
  • 93% of the vehicles had false out-of-state tags.
    In 2003 and 2004, 128 of the 395 people, 32.4%, arrested on DUI charges were Hispanic, a rate six times greater than the Hispanic portion of the population.

You just need to go through the links in the articles on that site… or produce your own stats refuting what I’ve posted.

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ravage, I do realize that you are stuck with some kind of love with statistics, but I am not clear what exactly is your point. The thread was started on an accident by a Hispanic, who likely was an illegal immigrant without a drivers' license and allegedly running away from an earlier minor accident. Jaan Leva used this news to make a larger point about illegal immigrants and how they need to be stopped from crossing the border.

Now, unless your point is that illegal immigrants should be welcomed in the US, or that if illegal immigrants are here then they should not be made to face any ramifications for their illegal immigration - then please state that point clearly, so at least we can discuss it.

Right now its not clear what are you arguing about, except to prove that hispanics are a lousy car driver (I think), more as a general point. If you are immigrant friendly, then this is not a line I would advise you to take, anyway. Pick another study. :)

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Displaced ANGER? Two people died, two who are in bad shape are in the hospital... a woman lost her husband, a child lost his father and a brother. Displaced ANGER??? It is true, some people don't feel it until it hits home... which, I pray that it never happens.

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uff. either you havent been reading my posts thoroughly or you just dont know how to frame a reply. you are showing me that hispanics are more accident prone, I already say as much. You include a quote with the ridiculous logic:

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Given the fact that most members of the Hispanic community are law abiding and responsible citizens, that means that a large percentage of the illegal alien portion of the Hispanic community is even worse

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Completely untrue, since it contradicts the police report I already posted

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Cultural differences and limited knowledge of U.S. laws might be driving the trend, law enforcement officials and community leaders said. Efforts are being made to develop education programs in the wake of recent high-profile fatal crashes.

The numbers encompass the entire Hispanic community, and officials say it is important to convey the message of responsible driving to all Spanish-speaking residents in North Carolina, regardless of their legal status and education level.

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So once again, the idea is not to show statistics showing that hispanics are more accident prone. The idea is to statistically show illegal immigrants within the hispanic community are more accident prone.

and just wishing it and saying "clearly" after that is not statistical proof.

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I disagree with the premise that illegal immigrants need to be stopped because they cause traffic incidents. There is no evidence that legal status has impact on accident proneness.

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Now, unless your point is that illegal immigrants should be welcomed in the US, or that if illegal immigrants are here then they should not be made to face any ramifications for their illegal immigration - then please state that point clearly, so at least we can discuss it.

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Why? I disagree with the association between the two. People get into accidents all the time, and using that to drive a political argument is silly unless there is actually a genuine, non anecdotal, causal link.

I just dislike stupidity, and countering faux logical arguments under the guise of breaking free from political correctness is my only motivation here.

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Right now its not clear what are you arguing about, except to prove that hispanics are a lousy car driver (I think), more as a general point. If you are immigrant friendly, then this is not a line I would advise you to take, anyway. Pick another study. :)
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My argument is that since there is no proof that legal status is the causal factor behind a hispanic dude getting into accidents the whole premise of this thread in trying to link the issues is baseless. hispanic folk are more accident prone anyway across the legal status spectrum, with studies out there advocating better education in spanish and multi lingual road signs to reduce that, not kicking out illegals.

whether I am for or against open immigration is a secondary matter to me just desiring to correct shoddily made arguments.

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Ok, forget the accident. What are your views on illegal immigration? Period. Lets start from the basics and then move forward.