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**The Japanese city of Hiroshima has marked the anniversary of the moment an atomic bomb exploded above the city 60 years ago. **

Around 140,000 people were killed by the bomb and its aftermath.

Nuclear survivors, known as Hibakusha, joined dignitaries at the annual commemoration in the Peace Park, built at the epicentre of the blast.

The head of the UN has said the world has made little progress in tackling the spread of nuclear weapons.

Burning memories

“Today, we are all Hibakusha,” Kofi Annan said in a statement read out on his behalf at the Hiroshima ceremony.

He called for concerted action to prevent “a cascade of nuclear proliferation”.

Some 55,000 people thronged into the peace park to remember the moment the bomb exploded in the skies above the city, at 0815 on the morning of 6 August, 1945.

Nicknamed “Little Boy”, it generated a wave of heat which reached 4,000C (7,200F) and expanded across a radius of 4.5km (2.8 miles), obliterating the city.

****](BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Hiroshima remembers atomic bomb)
Thousands were killed instantly and many others died later from severe burns or radiation.

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yeah nice pleasent memories to remember. thanx to USA. the whole world is for peace but if USA ever decided to use nuclear bomb again, the whole world will stay silent and then they will have another day to remember.

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Oh yes, it was done to hasten the end of the war. :rolleyes:

And yes what about the 140k killed. Oh in the words of the greatest democracy in the world it was collateral damage.

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Well, here is a guy who gets it:

I went to Hiroshima last month and visited the most haunting ruin in the world and then walked through a graceful park to the “Peace Museum” (the War Museum). It is sombre, informative and horrifying. Models and large mural photographs show the city before and after the bomb. There are statistics of death, heat, pressure and radiation, eye-witness accounts of children watching their mothers die in front of them, anecdotes, such as the man about to catch the dragonfly, and little household relics, such as molten spoons and a wristwatch stopped at 8:15. But the most evocative remnant stands outside the museum on a riverbank. It is the ruin of the “Hiroshima Prefectural Industrial Promotion Hall,” usually known as the “A-Bomb Dome.”

Hiroshima is built on a large delta consisting of seven rivers. At its centre is the T-shaped Aioi Bridge, which provides a three-way crossing where one river divides into two. This T was the target for the atomic bombardier. He was slightly out and the bomb exploded about 180 metres to the south, 550 metres above the ground.

I gazed at it for a long time from every angle and then paced out the distance south to where the bomb had gone off. In an act of compulsive foolishness I stared upward to look for the spot in the air.

Was Truman right to drop it? I have no doubt he was. However I look at it, I cannot see other than that the bomb saved millions of lives, Allied and Japanese. All British combatants in the Second World War that I have ever spoken to, including my parents, described the same reaction when they heard of the Hiroshima bomb: tremendous relief. A foreman, Tommy, at a factory I worked at in Lancashire in 1980, told me that in July, 1945, he was in the Pacific doing exercises for the invasion of Japan. He expected to die. He thanked the bomb that he became a grandfather.

The most effective soldiers in the war were the Germans. The only way the Allies could beat them was to outnumber and outgun them. They seemed to have a limitless supply of officers with quick, flexible minds who could read a battle and make a swift and intelligent assessment of the best tactics required.

For the opposite reason, the Japanese were among the most ineffective soldiers in the war. Tough, brave and stoical, they became useless as battle winners if you killed their commander. They could not think for themselves and, without orders and leaders, became a ferocious and implacable mob, hopeless for securing victory but terrifyingly dangerous in refusing defeat. They would not surrender. The casualties when the Americans invaded the outlying islands in the Pacific held by the Japanese were sickeningly high because they just would not surrender.

The invasion of Japan itself would probably have been the bloodiest episode in human combat. Expecting it, Japanese Imperial Headquarters called for “100 million deaths with honour.”

Making things worse was the chaotic leadership of Japan. Japan’s “15-Year War” had not been started by political leaders but by two mad colonels in Manchuria. We shall never know what happened at command level in Japan during the war, because documents were destroyed before the Allied occupation, but there certainly was murderous conflict between generals, admirals and politicians. The Emperor was the only one with supreme authority, even if he lacked will, and we are lucky he survived.

Killing Hitler would have shortened the war; killing Emperor Hirohito would have lengthened it. He was for making peace but needed a special reason for doing so. The threat of the Soviet Union’s joining the war against Japan was not enough. The atomic bomb was.

The first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima on August 6. The second was dropped on Nagasaki on August 9. Was it necessary? I’m afraid so. There was still dithering and defiance after the first bomb and the American idea was to keep on blowing until the enemy’s flame went out. The historian Herbert Feis explains the mood of American people then, saying they had “impatience to end the strain of war blended with a zest for victory. They longed to be done with smashing, burning, killing and dying – and were angry at the defiant, crazed, useless prolongation of the ordeal.” The Americans hurried to roll out the Nagasaki bomb, wanting to give an impression of continued, massive and irresistible destruction. The third bomb would be ready to fall by August 17. But on August 15 the Emperor announced the surrender.

Then there was a large-scale experiment on human beings that gave spectacular confirmation of the principle that institutions and not race determine the virtues and well-being of mankind. The U.S. forced democracy on Japan. It worked like a charm and, with enduring peace, achieved a happy wonder.

The Japanese, always industrious and inventive, became model democrats – tolerant, peaceful and considerate. The grandsons of men who abused British prisoners in PoW camps now treat their grandsons with respect and decency. There is an obvious improvement in health in Japan and it has reached new levels of manufacturing prowess and efficiency, improving the whole world with its marvellous products.

The casualties of Hiroshima were mainly from blast and heat. Radiation killed far fewer and these mostly suffered acute damage from the massive direct radiation that struck fast-growing cells in the gut, skin, marrow, blood and in foetuses, causing hideous deaths and abnormalities. Chronic radiation effects, the long-lasting effects, were quite small. By 1990 the total number of the survivors from both bombs who died from cancer caused by the radiation was estimated at 428 – an average of 10 a year since the bombs were dropped. The figure for genetic damage done by the radiation is more precisely known. It is zero. No increase in genetic defects in children born to survivors who conceived after the bomb has ever been seen.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=a29a17a7-9022-42b3-8a76-e8dc748e31aa&page=2

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US Strategic Bombing Survey Verdict

After studying this matter in great detail, the United States Strategic Bombing Survey rejected the notion that Japan gave up because of the atomic bombings. In its authoritative 1946 report, the Survey concluded:

The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs did not defeat Japan, nor by the testimony of the enemy leaders who ended the war did they persuade Japan to accept unconditional surrender. The Emperor, the Lord Privy Seal, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, and the Navy Minister had decided as early as May of 1945 that the war should be ended even if it meant acceptance of defeat on allied terms …

The mission of the Suzuki government, appointed 7 April 1945, was to make peace. An appearance of negotiating for terms less onerous than unconditional surrender was maintained in order to contain the military and bureaucratic elements still determined on a final Bushido defense, and perhaps even more importantly to obtain freedom to create peace with a minimum of personal danger and internal obstruction. It seems clear, however, that in extremis the peacemakers would have peace, and peace on any terms. This was the gist of advice given to Hirohito by the Jushin in February, the declared conclusion of Kido in April, the underlying reason for Koiso’s fall in April, the specific injunction of the Emperor to Suzuki on becoming premier which was known to all members of his cabinet …

Negotiations for Russia to intercede began the forepart of May 1945 in both Tokyo and Moscow. Konoye, the intended emissary to the Soviets, stated to the Survey that while ostensibly he was to negotiate, he received direct and secret instructions from the Emperor to secure peace at any price, notwithstanding its severity …

It seems clear … that air supremacy and its later exploitation over Japan proper was the major factor which determined the timing of Japan’s surrender and obviated any need for invasion.

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945 [the date of the planned American invasion], Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

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This is the most ridiculous piece I have read on the Hiroshima bomb in ages. The author has painted a very pretty positive picture of the bomb. Son of a b!tch is all I have to say to him.

If Iranians explode one on NewY ork and their later generations justify it by saying that American’s deserved it because the way they treated prisoners in the Abu Assgrab prison then that would be the biggest shame for humanity.

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canada :smiley: very reliable source all of a sudden. :stuck_out_tongue:

seems like using nuclear bombs every now and then is a good thing. what if america is some day at the receiving end? will you post such article to justify the mass killings?

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and here we have other guys who get it also…

–“Americans were also told that use of the bombs “led to the immediate surrender of Japan and made unnecessary the planned invasion of the Japanese home islands.” But it’s not that straightforward.”

–“it was the Soviet Union’s entry into the Pacific war on Aug. 8, two days after the Hiroshima bombing, that provided the final “shock” that led to Japan’s capitulation.”

–“The Enola Gay exhibit also repeated such outright lies as the assertion that “special leaflets were dropped on Japanese cities” warning civilians to evacuate. The fact is that atomic bomb warning leaflets were dropped on Japanese cities, but only after Hiroshima and Nagasaki had been destroyed.”

–“The hard truth is that the atomic bombings were unnecessary. A million lives were not saved. Indeed, McGeorge Bundy, the man who first popularized this figure, later confessed that he had pulled it out of thin air in order to justify the bombings”

–"The bomb was dropped, as J. Robert Oppenheimer, scientific director of the Manhattan Project, said in November 1945, on “an essentially defeated enemy.”

read in full here…

The myths of Hiroshima

LA Times, 5 August 2005

By Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin

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An “essentially defeated enemy” does not have 2 million soldiers on the Japanese Home Islands, does not have ammunition stockpiles spread through the Japanese Home Islands, is not busy building beach defences, is not issuing its civilian population with any kind of weapon available from ancient rifles to axes … and does not have 3 million soldiers spread out occupying Asia with 2 million in China and Korea alone.

My grandfather fought against the Japanese in World War 2 and what he told me is that the Japanese rarely surrendered. He complained that time and again he would find it terribly unsporting to have to order his men to machine gun Japanese soldiers who had run out of ammunition and tried to charge his position with swords, sticks, or no weapons at all. Once defeated, most Japanese would prefer to die fighting than surrender. Only a small minority would give up.

I for one have no doubt that Japan’s 2 million Home Island soldiers, men, women and children were willling and able to fight to the death with anything they had available.

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^ the second half of your post refutes the first... so the way to defeat an "essentially defeated enemy" fighting with "axes, swords, sticks, or no weapons at all" is to drop atomic bombs on them... great logic

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OG, no doubt many others have had the same thoughts when visiting ground zero...Or Dachau, Sobibor or Buchenwald...

The writer is an American, someone who tries to garner the world's sympathy for calamities against itself yet downplays the miseries of others...

And you you think it is an apt article...Very American...

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The real point is that many of you are sitting comfortably in some western country that was liberated from some facist regime courtesy of the US. By the time the decision had been made to bomb Japan, the US had chased Hitlers army across Africa, crushed Mussolinis army in Italy, and invaded another Continent to push the Germans back out of Western Europe. We financed a great deal of the war for England and Russia, and fed half of Russia when the harvests were interrupted. Never mind waging a second war in the Pacific.

You, oh mighty revisionist Muslims, have no comprehension of the "occupation" of Japan in 12 or 15 countries in the Pacific. You think Palestine is bad? Try Japan that invades a country and puts most of the work force in slave labor camps where 2/3rds die in 5 years time. It makes Israel look like Disneyland. They invaded to strip the resources of those countries and enslave the population. Millions died. Ask Great China.

So the US was worn out, exhausted, broke, and still faced a ferrocious foe who was known for fighting to the death of the last man. Other than Russia who wanted to replace Japan in occupying the Pacific, there were no allies to fight. Europe had been demolished and lay in ruins. The US would have had to have invaded Japan essentially alone.

So here today we have Muslims ranting on about the evils of the US, eating it's sweets, and passing judgement. Really pretty pathetic.

So if you are going to learn from history the one thing you cannot do is to use the current day situation to assume moral standards in times past. You must understand the complete situation, and know that during the entire period of WWII, no one really knew that the world would be saved. It was entirely possible that Germany and it's allies would dominate Europe (how many brown Desis can pass for Aryan?), and Japan would dominate the Pacific (and not many desis can pass for Japanese either). The world would be a much darker more evil place today if it had ended up that way. You cannot imagine the hardship of a country fighting and losing millions of men to protect foreign soil.

You all have absolutely no ideas of the horrors of the Japanese. You have no idea about the evil hateful Imperial Empire. If you had even the remotest notion of how evil evil can be, then it would be much easier for you to push the button too!

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Some people sit comfortably in western countries justifying the nuclear holocaust of 140,000 Japanese, and the horrors that caused millions of people afterwards.

I saw long lines of refugees, just quiet, I don’t know why they were so quiet. There were long lines, like ghosts. Most of them were stretching out their arms because the skin was peeling off from the tips of their fingers. I could clearly see the hanging skin, peeling skin, and the wet red flesh and their hair was burned and smelled, the burnt hair smelled a lot.

American cowards could not win the war against the Japs man to man so they nuked innocent men, women and children, unlike the Russians who stormed through half of Europe without resorting to such nuclear terrorism.

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Perhaps machine gunning them would be more humane?

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^ are you really incapable of seeing the difference and answering that question for yourself?

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Please enlighten me.

What should you do with a nation that is willing to fight you with anything it has at hand, from aircraft to artillery and all the way through to children with spears?

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Do you know how Russia “Stormed” half of Europe? Does this seem more manly to you? The Russians slaughtered their way across Eastern Europe mad with revenge. Estimates are that at least 350,000 German troops and 150,000 Hungarian troops were captured and starved to death, with some saying the number of troops unaccounted for is over a million. In the middle of the winter most of the POW camps had no shelter. The food ration was less than 1/4 of what was needed for survival. Thousands were slaughtered by Red troops even while attempting to give up. The POWs only survived in many cases by eating dead horses, grass, and occasionally one another. Typhoid ran through the camps killing thousands. Other camps were simply machine gunned in place by the Russians. Nuclear terrorism? The Russian slaughter brought wholesale rape and plunder to Germany, and it’s allies. You have not faced terror till you have faced Russian terror my ignorant friend. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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The old adage come to mind - "History is written by the victors".

For the last 60 years the American victors who won only half of WW2 have been writing the history (which so many gullable minds have believed) where they have justified nuclear genocide of innocent Japenese civilians, because they could not fight man to man to win the war. Then again let us not forget how these same American's have written the history to justify their genocide of Native American's.

Now history is being re-written to give a more balanced picture, which leaves the American version rather lacking, and wreaking of cowardice.

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No.

Revisionist History is now being written. Nuclear bombs killed hundreds of thousands of people. The Japanese killed millions in wholesale slaughter, and were bent on total domination of the entire Pacific. You simply know one fact, we dropped bombs. Your knowledge of the history of the war is a mile wide and an inch deep.

In one city, Nanking, the Japanese slaughtered twice (!) the amount of people who were killed in the bombings:

For the second edition of the book, published on December 13, 1997 – the 60th anniversary of the Rape of Nanking – the authors carefully reviewed the records of Japanese military units, the puppet municipal government of Nanking established under Japanese occupation, and Chinese and international burial societies. These records conclusively demonstrate that no fewer than 369,366 bodies of Chinese men, women, and children were buried or otherwise “disposed of” by these agencies. The records leave open the possibility that there were in fact many more victims, but the authors eliminated from their tally any reports that might conceivably have been overlapping or unreliable.
http://www.tribo.org/nanking/background.html

I have absolutely no problem with dropping bombs on people who displayed this type of barbarity. The bombs claimed far fewer lives than even one islolated Chinese town experienced under the Japanese.

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you can’t see the difference between fighting face on a combatant reduced to carrying, according to you, axes, spears, swords and sticks, and “children with spears” (how brave of you!) and atomic bombing entire cities which not only obliterates those living there at the time (including legitimate non-combatants and non-Japanese), but people continue to die off at an alarming rate for the next year and which has likely affected the health of people not even born at the time?