Hindustan Occupied Kashmir: The Mujahideen vs. the Indian Military

Seven dead in IHK clashes
Monday, January 5, 2009 - Muharram 8, 1430

SRINAGAR: A clash between government forces and militants in a forest region of Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) continued for a fourth day on Sunday, with police saying seven people had been killed so far.

Four suspected militants, two army soldiers and one police officer were killed in the clash, said Inspector General of Police K Rajendran. Three soldiers and three police officers were injured, he added.

The fighting started on Thursday when government troops came under fire during a search for around half a dozen militants, believed to be hiding near Bhatidhar, a village about 110 miles southwest of Srinagar, said Indian Army spokesman Colonel DK Kachari.

“We have killed four suspected militants but their bodies are yet to be recovered because of the continued exchange of fire,” he said. ap

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Now that the military-rule in Pakistan is over, no longer the unilaterly declared ceasefire of January 1, 2004 by Pakistan is valid.

As the Hindustani Occupied Kashmir is quickly once again advancing towards 1,000 Fahrenheit, what are your opinions on how long the second round will last? Keeping in mind as soon as the Americans leave Afghanistan, where is Pakistan most likely to shift the battle-hardened Taliban fighters to? Or what will the Chinese and Iranian position be in Hindustan Occupied Kashmir now that Hindustan has openly and very loudly declared itself to be American Poodle No. 1?

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OK. Hopefully the guy got the concept cleared that Hindustan and India are the same.

Coming back to the topic. I think Muj are doing more harm than good to the Kashmiri cause. Liberation war may have been OK some decades ago. This is the time to sit tight and use constitution and civil unrest as the ONLY set of weapons. Use of militancy is not good anymore.

My views are usually expressed in the thread's title.

Why was it OK then and not OK now? You create Jihadis and now you expect them to "use constitution" and "civil unrest"? What a joke man!

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Again, when was it good in the first place? What benefit did militancy bring?

That is not enough. Please edit your post to give more direction to the thread.

Thanks.

Bhai read some history. Militancy did help Pakistan back in 1948. After that, militancy wasn't helpful.

And quit using the terms such as "Jihadis were created". Jihadis are not robots. They are adult human beings with the same brain as anyone else. They ought to figure out when the armed struggle is helping and when it is hurting. Enough with these excuses for Jihadis.

I can understand your frustartation with the situation... after all the elections in Kashmir would have jolted your faith in "muslim" brethern in Kashmir.... :)

As for Taliban ... they are right now busy with Pakistani army ... they dont have time to think about Kashmir .... they are fighting for their survival ...

The Chinese and Iranians ...... they know not to get into a soup ... so Pakistan is pretty much on their own on Kashmir

Yet we kept using it. It either was a good decision that we need to keep doing or give up Kashmir all together.

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Graduates are created in colleges and they are not robots. Sorry but this another one your funny arguments. Their fun to read and make fun off.

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Right and so what? You expect a lot from these Jihadis, and I don't.

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They ought to figure out when the armed struggle is helping and when it is hurting.

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They feel like its helping because it gets them closer to Allah. They don't live for this duniya, only for akhira.

Obama doesn't think so.

Besides India lost the "bilateral" card it always used in regional disputes by running to UN in the aftermath of Mumbai Bombings. Now Pakistan can go to UN and ask it to fulfill the long due mandate regarding Kashmir. That pretty much leaves India on its own because which neighbor will it turn to for help in this matter? It's a matter of WHEN not IF anymore. :D

Yeh bhi koshish kar ke dekh lo.:wink:

India went to UN ???????

As for UN's role in Kashmir ..... they washed their hands off Kashmir long time back .... precisely on May 18, 1964 .... so Pakistan can go to anyone ... but in the end it has to settle with India on this issue.

India can manage very well on its own, doesn't need any neighbours help ..... it has the capability and resources to handle any eventuality. As for help from neighbours ....... wasn't it the Chinese who left Pakistani army "high & dry" during "a" conflict .... Hope you are not counting on them :biggthumb

I'd like to say a few things about this.

Even though the terms Hindustan, India and Bharath are used inter-changeably, I am a bit surprised that Pakistanis will refer to us as Hindustan, considering there are some 140+ million muslims in India. Not a big deal but it is a bit ironinc.

I don't see Kashmir heating up any at all - what makes you think that? The recently concluded statewide elections were a huge success both in terms of the peaceful atmosphere and the high turnout.

On your question of where Pakistan should turn the attention of battle-hardened Taliban after US leaves Afghanistan - why would Taleban in Afghanistan take directions from Pakistan? More likely is that they will have to either disband or face the fate that Hamas is bringing to Palestinians at present.

Iranians have no position on Kashmir - otherwise they'd have said something over the past several decades.

China's view probably matters and we'll have to see this in the context of the broader portfolio of India China bilateral topics.

The part about India being poodle no.1 is immature. Where did you find such declaration? provide a link

India mulls Kargil-type action in IHK forest
*Thursday, Muharram 11, 1430

By Iftikhar Gilani *

NEW DELHI: **Indian Defence Minister AK Antony on Wednesday convened a meeting of Indian service chiefs to plan an ongoing encounter with militants holed up in the dense forests in Poonch region of Indian-held Kashmir (IHK).

The encounter between the Indian military and eight to 10 militants has entered the seventh day, making it one of the longest battles fought by militants in the disputed region.** It is believed that the militants could be countered through a Kargil-type operation with the involvement of the air force to quickly flush out the fighters. The army said the militants holed up in the Bhati Dhar jungles in Mendhar areas of Poonch were suspected to be from Jaish-e-Mohammed.

After the meeting, Antony told reporters he had discussed the encounter with army chief General Deepak Kapoor, air force chief Air Marshal Fali Major and navy chief Admiral Suresh Mehta. He attributed the lengthy fighting to the difficult terrain and to preventing troop casualties.

Antony also predicted a tough summer for the Indian Army in IHK in view of the bitter Indo-Pak relations. “The infiltration is taking place at the height of winter when there is biting cold. Even then militants are trying to cross over to create problems. If this is the case now … there will be more problems in the coming summer,” he said.

He called for increased vigilance both internally and on the borders. “We cannot lower guard … our armed forces must be ever ready to face such challenges,” he said, adding that the encounter also showed that Pakistan was ‘not serious in dismantling terror outfits’.

Army chief Deepak told reporters, “We are [trying] … to ensure that we do not suffer any casualties. The area is very rocky and filled with natural caves … that is why it is taking time.” But he said the army was trying to finish off the operation as soon as possible.

Brig Gurdeep Singh of the corps overlooking the operation told reporters that the weather and terrain were acting as big constraints for the army in flushing out the militants.

“We are carrying out a deliberate operation to wear out the terrorists and to ensure that the casualties among our own forces are avoided. That’s why we are taking time to eliminate the terrorists holed up here,” he said.

Seven dead: Reuters quoted officials as saying that seven **people had so far been killed in the fighting. The officials said three soldiers and four militants had been killed in the battle. **

The gunbattle broke out a week ago in the remote and rugged mountains of Poonch near the Line of Control.

Overall violence has fallen significantly across IHK since India and Pakistan began slow-moving peace talks in 2004. But New Delhi paused that dialogue after the Mumbai attacks.

The neighbours, who have fought two of their three wars since 1947 over Kashmir, claim the disputed Himalayan region in full but rule it in part.

Officials say more than 47,000 people have been killed in nearly two decades of violence involving Indian troops and militants in Kashmir. Rights groups put the toll at 60,000 dead or missing.

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How is it surprising?? I have seen indian using this words themselves!.....And at the end of the day India is a non-muslim country, regardless of how many muslims live in there!

And yet Indian didnt achieve, what they wanted to ...dont wori Pakistan is enough for indians!...We dont need any one help against India.....:D

The Pakistan army was desperate for help from Chinese during the 71 war ..... and India DID achieve it's goal.

Even this time when security coucil banned JuD ... it would have not been possible if China had vetoed it .... and JuD was banned ....

So to think that somehow Pakistan can achieve its objective's in Kashmir on "hired" mujahedins ..... you need to wake up & face the reality

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Mujahideen's are hired..........?

I like how burqa ran away from this thread.