I went through the link, but only 3/4 th of it surely will finish the complete page.
Some questions,
Karma as stated above, and what concept I can derive is suppose I have some desires to achieve in this life but could not fulfill this.
I have done all good deeds, in my next rebirth is it possible that I can fulfill the unfulfilled. With conditionof the good deeds.
Do the good deeds compound unless you achieve nirvana.
If someone in sequences commits sins always throughout s/he life, does he get the same status as the s/he who is always committed towards good in the next birth.
I should say whata about salvation then.
tommygun, I must say that you have been deligent in explaining some ill concevied myths by brothers of other religion. The explainations were very clear and simple.
Thanks and Good job.
tommygun, Why do you make heavy claims if you cannot give a single example of any low class Hindu becoming an upper cast (was declared an upper cast) from the pre-historic or present history of Hindu religion?
In fact the explanations you have given were actually created by Hindu scholars in 19th century to give explanations to Europeans.
And can you tell me the name of a single scholar of Hindu religion who created these refined explanations of cast/ class system married or let his children marry to some one from low origin?
Ambedkar was never accepted in Hindu society as an upper cast. He remained an untouchable even after he became a Buddhist.
If you pick up the details of Indian history, you may find that some Shudras also became Kings but were never given the status of Kshtrya.
Re Vedas…..As much as I know that the first three Vedas do not mention the cast or class system at all. And it is first mentioned in the fourth Veda and later in Puranas to classify the slaves or invaded classes by the Aryans.
The beauty of Vedas….It is in fact directly related to the evolution of mankind and the economic growth in the form of religion and nothing else.
These statements say nothing. If an immoral act is not mentioned in a police code of conduct….does it mean that it is permissible?
Now you say that you are not a scholar…next time you will blame the followers for distorting the actual system of Hindu religion…..such statements I have often read on this board.
It is matter of shame if we have been discriminating our own people on the basis of origin since Veda periods.
Ps I have read all your posts and they were quite informative, but when it comes to the classification of the Cast system, our all scholars run for fake explanations instead of looking into the hard core reality and accepting it as a blunder against humanity.
I have no problems accepting the fact that the "Class" and not "caste" system have been used to demean people, and a shameful act it is indeed
Also this discrimination started not during the vedas but thousands of years later
And if u are taking the meaning of the Class system in the same way as the misled Hindus, u can never be convinced of the relevance of the system which exists even today and will be so for ever...
No matter what time and age u will be in, the 4 working classes (and not "Castes") will still be around... u cant disagree with that...
Do not believe the Hoax that Hindus gave the definition of caste to the British, How can Hindus come up with an English word? It was an effective policy of divide and rule...
The closest word that would come to Caste in India would be "jati" which again would be interpreted as "community" not "caste" as the oxford dictionary describes it
Also is hardly seems fair to hold Hinduism responsible for the misinterpretation of a just system
Moreover, the same sort of Misinterpretation is rampant in other religions as well, at least the Hindus have not gone to war under the pretext of "sects" and killed millions of their own
So i will say that the "caste " system is the lesser of the two evils as compared to sectarianism...
Valmiki was a Koli (fisherman) so technically was a "Shudra" but then became a rishi (a brahmin)
This is the 3rd time I am writing about him or mentioning him so please dont ask the same question again and again... :)
U dont seem to be reading the posts carefully do u? all u do is run around in circles... if u r here for the sake of argument please stay out, if a discussion is what u want, I am open....
tommygun Pls do not mislead us with technical vocabulary.
Rishi does not mean a Brahmin. Where it is written in any of our religious texts that Valmiki was reclassified as a Brahmin?
Krishna is also known as a Rishi in other terms, but never a Brahmin.
You may call Ambedkar a Rishi, bet will he be accepted as a Brahmin by upper casts or in your words by upper classes?
Again I repeat that whatever explanations you have given to justify the ‘cast system or class system’ were all created in 19th century and the same so called scholars of Hindu religion always remained adamant towards the people of low origin in personal life.
Shall I inform you that even our Hindu communists and hi-profile atheists also run into their own cast when they have to find matches for their children?
So friend, you name it ‘cast system or class system’…it does not change the course of history or does not justify the ugly nature of ‘cast’ sorry the ‘class system’.
You are threatening me like a fundamentalist. What’s wrong with you? Discussions are not allowed in closed religions. You are at the wrong side.
I think the seed of hate starts to get in when Mullahs start talking about conversion. How many times have you heard a Hindu saying you should convert.
Stephan Knapp - "There is no discrimination toward other religions in Hinduism. Hinduism views all authentic religions with a potential to raise the consciousness of its followers to a higher level of understanding God, themselves, and humanity. This is merely one of the beautiful aspects of Hinduism; that it provides the greatest latitude of diversity in the ways of understanding God. That is why you can mix Hindus with anyone, and they can peacefully coexist, just as you presently have Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, and others all living together peacefully. But as soon as you mix those of other religions who are dogmatic in their views, there is trouble. The reason is that there is no room for diversity of thought in such people. They think that in the eyes of God no one else is saved. They think they must "save" everyone by making everyone else just like them. And the way that is done is by converting all others to their own dogmatic beliefs. Thus, they give no credence or understanding toward any religion but their own."
Convert to what? Caste system? Sati? private parts worshipping or worhipping animals like monkeys, snakes and rats? or a religion where the life of a human being is less than that of an animal?
^ How arrogant to defame, insult and ridicule a belief system like this. Surely this qualifies as such under gupshup rules. If nothing else it qualifies as a post that demonstrates insecurity, arrogance and ignorance about someone's religious beliefs and others'. And surely you can debate more intelligently than this. At least stop with the "I am rigtheous. I am Islam. I follow the path as laid out by Allah" crap if you are going to talk about others' beliefs like that.
once again, i am reminded of how the majority religion in pakistan isnt islam, its hindu-hating.
its the same people who get their panties in a knot eveytime someone asks why did mohammad have sex with a 9 yr old, or why did mohammad have children with his slave girls(?!), but not with his two dozen wives, that feel the extreme need to teach everyone on "the truth" of hinduism.
Now it is convert to what?
Convert to the greatest, most peaceful and oldest religion that has given the most to this world, in every field. A religion that accepts other religion to coexist. Even after being the greatest does not boast of being so - and thats why it is the greatest.
It is greatest religion not just because it embraces change, but also new thoughts that come its way. Some of those ideas are not so good and are discarded. Thats what makes it the greatest religion.
HInduism does not teach that if you do not follow hinduism you will go to hell. Thats why it is greatest. There are people who are in remote areas who might not know of the Islaam or Hinduism. Do they not have the right to heaven. Hinduism gives that right. Thats why it is greatest.
Hinduism believes that all religion are great, thats why it is greatest religion.
No no please stay wid the religion that muhammad has given u,
the same muhammad who
-had slaves
-had sex wid the slaves
-had basta*d children wid them
-married and had sex with a child
-took war booty
-raided undefended caravans for loot
-never issued a formal declaration of war
-smoked pot in a cave, hallucinated and said, i dreamt of going to heaven
-married his own daughter-in-law
-said shooting stars were allah's missiles to hit the Jinns
-had slaves
-had sex wid the slaves
-had basta*d children wid them
-married and had sex with a child
-took war booty
-raided undefended caravans for loot
-never issued a formal declaration of war
-smoked pot in a cave, hallucinated and said, i dreamt of going to heaven
-married his own daughter-in-law
-said shooting stars were allah's missiles to hit the Jinns
Hah
need more?
I need more of it, i have heard this bull lots of times.
One more from you. Haa haa haaaa haaa haaaa haaa.
Shall i add in more what anti-muslims say about our beloved Prophet.
Just want your consent. Anywas mod i would like this thread to be locked, not because they are talking about Prophet, we can open other thread for this.
*But the objective of this thread is lost. *
-had slaves
-had sex wid the slaves
-had basta*d children wid them
-married and had sex with a child
-took war booty
-raided undefended caravans for loot
-never issued a formal declaration of war
-smoked pot in a cave, hallucinated and said, i dreamt of going to heaven
-married his own daughter-in-law
-said shooting stars were allah's missiles to hit the Jinns
Hah
need more?
You are a liar....thats what you are...
I thought this thread was about "hinduism".
You are posting crap ...crap ..and crap.
