Hinduism is mankind's oldest spiritual declaration

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fantoosh, give it a rest man. You are comparing Mahabharata as the indication of the complexity of the Indian culture?

Let's not get into minors marrying older people. Religions can take a lot of flack for things like paedophilia. From Prophets to leaders in the olden days irregardless of whether they were in China or India or Mecca married kids.

What makes you say that hindu ancestors or people today did not respect women? If anything it is the opposite. Hinduism proposes woem as god. *The female deity is part of the supreme divine. No other religion no matter how old or new proposes that.
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Only until the husband died then they burned her with him...I wouldn't want such supreme divinity...

burning diety :confused:

sir, we are talking about gods and spirituality, not about social customs. Social customs might have origin somewhere else. Like parda system came with invadors from arabia and probably this system has origin in saving the chastity of widows from invadors too. Ofcourse it had real real bad implications and unthinkable in modern society. And thats what it has ceased to exist !

You forgot to mention that just before this social custom, the woman is made to shave every single hair on her body, can’t remarry, is made to walk barefoot and not allowed into houses with children and automatically that forlorn soul is made to live a slave-like existence…

And anyway, the Greeks, the Romans and the Norse all had female deities an also some pagan and neo-pagan religions too…

Question: Is the caste system social too or is it part of Hinduism?

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

You forgot to mention that just before this social custom, the woman is made to shave every single hair on her body, can't remarry, is made to walk barefoot and not allowed into houses with children and automatically that forlorn soul is made to live a slave-like existence...

And anyway, the Greeks, the Romans and the Norse all had female deities an also some pagan and neo-pagan religions too...

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I pointed out that , we were talking about dieties and you tried to relate it to some extinct social custom. And I also added that it was an evil system and it's good that it has ceased to exist. I think I do not need to repeat it next time and my point is conveyed :)

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Question: Is the caste system social too or is it part of Hinduism?
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Answer: Please read the original article of the thread. It explicitly mentions that hinduism can not be compared to any other religion. As it was not overnight proposed by some person. So when we talk about spirituality in hinduism , we mean the spirituality conveyed by the ancient scriptures. Whereas the social structure is a different aspect and broadly can be related to Indian civilization, which has assimilated various things from different cultures and the gradual progress has shed a few original things as well. And the current social system is the outcome of this process.

Ofcourse it has some good and some bad features. And personally I do not take any pride in any kind of division based on caste, religion and race.

I hope you have my answer !

peace!

why Prithviraj and minor you saying but Proph.Mohamad loving litel girl is ok for you? that custom then may be...now you do and criminal na? time change.

also, why you not read anser? Draupadhi case not rape but insulting by Gaurava and so Pandav take vowing to finish...

you also saying about women respect in India. what woman respect in Pakistan? All honoring killing etc going on everiday...so both bad na? respect must I thinl from all.

one request from me please...I think making argue when angry is bad. so a litel cooling and the write ...because only making you angry him angry ...etc

This is Indus Valley (Un) Civilization from Mohanjodro to Sonia Gandhi.
This Indian society is pretending to sleep.
Mr Indian Teen, I can wake you up, but since you are pretending to sleep, there is no hope.

Cast discrimination, disrespect towards women, no environment awareness, a common hypocrisy, an infighting culture and sexual harassment…these are some of the factors that have polluted the Indian mind for centuries.
People like Mr Indian Teen are in millions, and they never accept this reality and while sleeping, they feel that they are the best because they represent a five thousand years old culture where Upanishads and Puranas are written.
And they take a conclusion for themselves that everything is OK.

Sexual harassment at homes is more or less an Indian sub continental phenomenon and not given by the West. In West, Sex is not ‘a guilt’ and they do not need to satisfy the lust at home thru sisters, daughters or cousins.
(Many will oppose this view just to show their chastity and cleanness.)
‘Reserved seats for ladies’. (Because an Indian male does not know that offering a seat to a woman is a good gesture.) You have to cross over this Indian subcontinent and you will find how people behave with women. Your culture does not know what ‘respect to women’ means. You are confined to touching feet of your mothers and elder sisters or paying Rakhi gifts at some funny occasion, for rest of the year your woman is a second-class citizen.

Mr Indian Teen, kidnapping a minor and sleeping with her is known as ‘rape’ re. Sanyogita.
Druapadi case was also a rape, only your mentality requires a complete physical action for naming it so.
No ‘Man’ from Pandav or Kauravs in the palace came forward to help Draupadi and the same culture is continuing till today.
Sorry, I do not write in ‘abcd’ sequence, otherwise I earlier had written that Prithviraj and Jai Chand were cousins.
But you are avoiding the main point that for Prithviraj’ lust India paid a very heavy price.

May be you are happy that now I do not write Hindu or India and using the terminology ‘Indian subcontinent’, this makes you feel happy that you are not alone in the five thousand years old garbage.
And for your information, culture, customs and historical heritage reflect each other.

A good fun that many participants have decided my religion.

Now, let us have a little fun. Indians, representatives of five thousand year old culture, never help each other. They only make gesture to help each other.
And for making this gesture, or some how by chance if have helped someone, they feel very proud of.
If an Indian by chance helps some one, unless he tells to at least fifteen people of his kind ness, he will not keep quite.

This fun is also a part of Indian culture. All over the world neighbors help each other, but Indians are the only one who makes unnecessary shouts about it.

Fanta: a snippet of Indian past. We have a large hindu following, second largest muslim, the christian comunity goes back 2000 years to Thomas. We have the tree where Buddha reached enlightenment, hindu temples built under the guidance of god, mosques so large that 70,000 muslims can pray to Allah at a single time. The stupas and monastaries of buddhists are carved into our mountains,the stone colossi of the jains dominate the hillside, the Tower of Silence and Fire temples for the followers of Zoroaster, the wonderful marble and glod domed gurdwaras, the cathedrals of roman catholics, the orthodox churches of the Amrenians who fled the pogrom of the Ottoman empire and the synogogues of the jews. (one of the 12 tribes of ISrael is said to have arrived in Kerala)

Only a land that doesn't look at religion as dogma can be inclusive. You will not find such diversity anywhere in the world. This IS the Indian culture. You speak of misstreatment of women, show me another religion or land where women are deified. Marrying minors was a practice of anoher era. Some religions used such practices and codified it. there is no codification in Hiduism. It is driven off of comon sense. Man is ultimately responsible. There is no how to anual to wipe your ass or wear this or that.

Casteism at best is almost a precursor to guilds. It has no bearing on spirituality. It is a scourge, absolutely, but it is not codified because the attitude towards that has changed and it doesn;t make one less pious or less of a hindu if you don;t believe in the caste system. There is truly NO compulsion.

Many of us do not know that Islam first came into India in the province of
Kerala during the lifetime of Prophet Mohammed itself. Prophet Mohammed is
said to have sent messengers to the Roman (Byzantine) Emperor Heraclius, the
Sassanian (Persian) Emperors Chosroes (Khushrau Parvez) and Yazdgard, and to
the Kings of China and Kerala (in South India). While the Sassanian and Roman
Emperors rejected the Prophet's messengers and insulted them; the Kings of
China and Kerala are said to have received the messengers with great
courtesy.

King Cheraman of Kerala Voluntarily Converts to Islam in the 7th Century

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This is Indus Valley (
Un*) Civilization from Mohanjodro..........................................
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I would suggest you to go through this long post again and tell me a single new point you have mentioned from your previous posts.

Now , please go through my posts and answer the questions , I have asked. That is the spirit of discussion. You can not repeat again and over again same stuff without answering my questions.

I hope you have atleast seen a high school level debate. And understand how it works.

The only point (??) you have tried to put forward is that even indus valley civilization was un (bad) civilization and thats why all of India is bad. Then I pitty your knowledge of history ( or may be depth of hatred inside you , that makes you disown your own ancestor's civilization).

Well dividing the country can not divide the history. Whatever religion we follow, we have the gene pool and our ancestors were the same. And I would always take pride in glories of Vedic Mathematics, Aryabhatta , Charak sanhita and Sushruta. What they did 2000 years back was unknown to modern ( read west) world till a few tens of years back!

Cheers!

Indians have confused cultural heritage to culture.

Ask them, why they discriminate their own people on the basis of cast and sex. And they say that they have Charak, Arryabhatt, Buddha and his stupas.
Ask them why you people are so uncultured in public place, like transport, markets or anywhere, at home and the reply is same that they have Charak, Arryabhatt, Buddha and his stupas.
Why you people are so unaware of your environment and the answer is same, that once upon a time there was a Buddha….
Why any foreign power could easily capture you and the answer is that long back Ramayana and MahaBharata are written here by so and so…
Please go to Indian villages and you will find equally same false ego and hypocrisy in the people.

Does five thousand years old spirituality bars people to behave in public transport?
Indians have invented Zero and are proud of teaching mathematics to the world, and after that they themselves became Zero.

Yes, Mr Teen, I have disturbed your sleep a little. Off course, not for long!

One needs a greater revolt in person to fight against hypocrisy. Otherwise there is no chance.
Not only my religion, but also some of them have decided my citizenship, is a good fun!

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*Originally posted by fantoosh: *
Indians have confused cultural heritage to culture.

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** AGAIN..sincere request **
quoted from last post

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I would suggest you to go through this long post again and tell me a single new point you have mentioned from your previous posts.

Now , please go through my posts and answer the questions , I have asked. That is the spirit of discussion. You can not repeat again and over again same stuff without answering my questions.

I hope you have atleast seen a high school level debate. And understand how it works!

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*Originally posted by The_Indian_teen: *

I pointed out that , we were talking about dieties and you tried to relate it to some extinct social custom. And I also added that it was an evil system and it's good that it has ceased to exist. I think I do not need to repeat it next time and my point is conveyed :)

Answer: Please read the original article of the thread. It explicitly mentions that hinduism can not be compared to any other religion. As it was not overnight proposed by some person. So when we talk about spirituality in hinduism , we mean the spirituality conveyed by the ancient scriptures. Whereas the social structure is a different aspect and broadly can be related to Indian civilization, which has assimilated various things from different cultures and the gradual progress has shed a few original things as well. And the current social system is the outcome of this process.

Ofcourse it has some good and some bad features. And personally I do not take any pride in any kind of division based on caste, religion and race.

I hope you have my answer !

peace!
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But you see, culture is something you fight for. Like the native American Indians who are fighting for for their culture had to drop a few things...Like raids and scalping...That means there is something wrong with the system...The Islamic culture is the only culture which will not, by even an iota move an inch from its teachings...Why should it?...It is the word of the Creator, The God we are talking about...The destroyer of nations and Ruler over all that you see and sense...Why should something noble be bent to the whims of another...THAT is freedom of expression...Unless like you who are happy to see some parts of your culture go away, the Muslim is deeply saddened when some parts of ITS culture go away...And deeply angered if something haram is added to the Islamic culture...And if you are so interested as you seem, you should know Islam places great emphasis on peace...You think the Muslims will let go of that part of their heritage?...Islam will always give peace the last chance unless the water gets too high, then action has to be taken ...Of course, it's every Muslim's perception of how high the water is...:)

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

But you see, culture is something you fight for. Like the native American Indians who are fighting for for their culture had to drop a few things...Like raids and scalping...That means there is something wrong with the system...The Islamic culture is the only culture which will not, by even an iota move an inch from its teachings...Why should it?...It is the word of the Creator, The God we are talking about...The destroyer of nations and Ruler over all that you see and sense...Why should something noble be bent to the whims of another...THAT is freedom of expression...Unless like you who are happy to see some parts of your culture go away, the Muslim is deeply saddened when some parts of ITS culture go away...And deeply angered if something haram is added to the Islamic culture...And if you are so interested as you seem, you should know Islam places great emphasis on peace...You think the Muslims will let go of that part of their heritage?...Islam will always give peace the last chance unless the water gets too high, then action has to be taken ...Of course, it's every Muslim's perception of how high the water is...:)
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you are doing exactly oppsoite of what is right going back to 7th century.

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Originally posted by Lajawab: *
But you see, culture is something you fight for. Like the native American Indians who are fighting for for their culture had to drop a few things...Like raids and scalping...That means there is something wrong with the system...
The Islamic culture is the only culture which will not, by even an iota move an inch from its teachings*...Why should it?...It is the word of the Creator, The God we are talking about...The destroyer of nations and Ruler over all that you see and sense...Why should something noble be bent to the whims of another...THAT is freedom of expression...Unless like you who are happy to see some parts of your culture go away, the Muslim is deeply saddened when some parts of ITS culture go away...And deeply angered if something haram is added to the Islamic culture...And if you are so interested as you seem, you should know Islam places great emphasis on peace...You think the Muslims will let go of that part of their heritage?...Islam will always give peace the last chance unless the water gets too high, then action has to be taken ...Of course, it's every Muslim's perception of how high the water is...:)
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What you are talking about ? Every culture has shed evils of past. So has Islamic culture. How many guys you would find in modern Islamic youth, who marries more than one girl and do not believe in birth control??

Though it might be right in mediaval arabia to keep many wifes and have as many kids as possible to fight other clans/tribes. But it does not make any sense in modern world.

Then, new generation youths understand the scientific consequences of marrying someone close in gene pool ( like close cousins ) and this system is also heading towards extinction.

These were evils ( might be right in original context, but not in modern world) and we are happy that they have ceased to exist.

I hope my point is conveyed now!

Cheers!

Dear Indian Teen, Does your school system teach you to accept the answer only when it is up to your requirement?
I repeated the answers, but your sleep is so deep….Sorry, I disturbed you!

Mr Lajwab, you have broken the silence, otherwise it is very rare that some discussion is going on and no Muslim enters with supremacy of Islam and the word of God, the Creater.
I reject what you say.
If a Prophet could hear the word of God, then a monkey Hindu God has every right to fly and is supposed to be worshipped.

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*Originally posted by fantoosh: *
Dear Indian Teen, Does your school system teach you to accept the answer only when it is up to your requirement?
I repeated the answers, but your sleep is so deep….Sorry, I disturbed you!

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No I said you need to learn basics of discussion. Try to answer my questions and if you do not have answers please accept where you stand in discussion.

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Mr Lajwab, you have broken the silence, otherwise it is very rare that some discussion is going on and no Muslim enters with supremacy of Islam and the word of God, the Creater.
I reject what you say.
If a Prophet could hear the word of God, then a **monkey Hindu God **has every right to fly and is supposed to be worshipped.
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Thats what you can resort to ; If you do not have logical points and you can not reason, you start abusing other religions. I hope moderators are awake. And a personal request to you, if you have ever tried to be a Islamic person, try to give respect to other faiths!

Peace and love!

Are your quotes from your proper sense?

Any reply to these ==>>

Allah hated women with a passion. He despised all female homo sapiens both Muslim and infidel women. With such a deep hatred and loathing I don’t even know why he bothered to create Eve. Being God, why didn’t he just create man with both a penis and vagina and reproductive organs. Following are the immoral, depraved, insane, despicable LAWS of an immoral, depraved, despicable insane GOD.
No rational, normal person can believe in such a God of hate.

Muhammad described women as "unclean" creatures. In a Hadith, Muhammad says, "Three things corrupt prayer: Women, dogs, and donkeys." There are several other sayings in which Muhammad reduced women to the level of an animal. "Woman is a vile beast," and "I think that women were created for nothing but evil."
The right to be treated as a dog, a pig, a monkey, or an ass
Sahih Bukhari – 1.9.490, 493, 498 Sahih Muslim – 4.1039;
Sunaan Abu Dawud – 11.2155; Mishkat ul-Masabih – vol 2, p.114, Hadis no. 789
The right of ordinary women to be treated as crows
Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34

BABY TILTHS:
65.4 You can marry (and divorce) little girls who have not yet reached menstruation age.
Muhammad married Ayesha at age 6 to comply with this aya. However due to her tender age he had to restrict himself to thighing before she reached age of 9.
Thighing is defined by Islamic scholar Khomeini in "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 as follows:
"Thighing is a means for an adult male to enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her."
The following is from a committee of muslim ulema answering the question:
"the Prophet, the peace of Allah be upon him, practiced "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her."

SEX AFTER FLOGGING:
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 132:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a:
The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day."
Ideally when you flog one of your wives, let her recuperate that day and sleep with your other wives or your slave girls

HOW TO BEAT YOUR WIFE TO AVOID BREAKING HER BONES
Islamic way of beating or flogging wives is striking at their padded areas to avoid breaking any bones. Here is an example how considerate our prophet was when he beat his wives on their padded parts.
Muslim Book 004, Number 2127:
Ayesha narrated. "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain. "
(However if your wife is breast feeding , prefer to strike on her buttocks

MERCY IN CASE OF CIRCUMCISSION OF WOMEN:
In those days it was customary to cut the external female genitalia completely when circumcising women. The Prophet instructed to do cutting in moderation. That showed his kindness and concern for women's pleasure in love making.
Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41, Number 5251:
Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

ONE NIGHT STAND FOR PROPHET:
One night stands were free for Prophet Mohammed and were part of prophetic perks.
33.50 Mohammed, any woman who offered herself to you is halal for you.

Obligation to practice this aya made logistics a big problem for Muhammad who already had nine wives , his concubines , and a regular supply of captured women from jihadi raids. But Allah's wishes had to be carried out.

Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 24:
A woman came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have come to give you myself.
Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?"
Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 53:
Narrated Thabit Al-Banani:
"A woman came to Allah's Apostle and presented herself to him, saying, 'O Allah's Apostle, have you any need for me?' "Thereupon Anas's daughter said, "What a shameless lady she was! Shame! Shame!" Anas said, "She was better than you; she had a liking for the Prophet.
These are called in Islam the “golden rights and provisions for all Muslim women:”

The right to be treated as diseased and as sex toys

The Qur’an – 2:222; Sahahi Bukhari -3.31.172

The right to be used as a sowing field
The Qur’an – 2:223

The right to enjoy another husband after the third divorce from the previous husband (hilla marriage)
The Qur’an – 2:230; Sahih Bukhari – 8.73.107; Sahih Bukhari - 7.63.187

The right to engage in Islamic prostitution through Mut’a marriage
The Qur’an – 4:24;Sahih Bukhari – 8.3246, 3247, 3248;
Sahih Muslim – 8:3252, 8:3253, 8:3258

The right to be treated as impure or as a drunkard
The Qur’an – 4:32; The Qur’an – 16:92

To uphold the inalienable superiority of men over women and the right to be beaten by husbands—no questions asked
The Qur’an - 16:92; Sunaan Abu Dawad - 11.2142; Abdur Rahman – 1 DOI, the recognized authority on Sharia in his book, Women in Society”

To uphold the right of the husband to have four wives at any time and any number sex-slaves for all times; in case of objection by any wife, the husband can beat her
The Qur’an – 4:3; Sunan Abu Dawad – 30.2.13; The Qur’an – 23:5-6, 70:29-30

The right to be treated as a dog, a pig, a monkey, or an ass
Sahih Bukhari – 1.9.490, 493, 498 Sahih Muslim – 4.1039;
Sunaan Abu Dawud – 11.2155; Mishkat ul-Masabih – vol 2, p.114, Hadis no. 789

The right of ordinary women to be treated as crows
Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34

The right of a Muslimah to be stupid and to become a servant
Sahih Bukhari – 1.6.301; Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34

Muslim women forfeit their right to travel alone
Sahih Bukhari – 2.20.192, 193; Sahih Bukhari – 3.29.85, 4.52.250
Abdur Rahman 1 Doi, the recognized authority on Sharia in his book, “Women in Society

Women must keep their sexual organs ready at all times for the husband to enjoy them unhindered at any time—night or day
Sahih Bukhari – 4.54.460, 7.62.81; Sahih Muslim – 8.3367, 3368;
Ghazali – vol 2, p. 43

Women have the right to breast-feed an unrelated bearded man to make him haram (forbidden to her in marriage)
Sahih Muslim – 8.3424, 3425, 3426, 3427, 3428

Women are slaves (prisoners) and men are their masters (owners)
Ghazali – vol 2, p. 33; Hedaya – p. 47

Islamic marriage is about sex for money (prostitution)
Sunaan Abu Dawud – 11.2105, 2.11,2106; Milik’s Muwatta – 28.4.12;
Sunaan Abu Dawud – 11.2126; Hedaya – p. 44

If a woman wishes to get rid of her tyrannical husband she must refund the ‘sex money’ (Mahr) she received from him during marriage
Sahih Muslim – 7.63.197, 198, 199; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 12,2220;
Malik’s Muwatta – 29.10.32

Women have the right to undergo female circumcision (FGM)
Sunaan Abu Dawud – 41.5251

Women are slaves and infidels—they are not fit to join the moral police force
Ghazali – vol 2, p.186

A husband has the right to have sex with his wife by force (the right to rape)
Hedaya – p. 141

Women are cheap—you can have sex with a woman by simply teaching her how to recite a few verses from the Qur’an
Sahih Buhkari – 6.61.547, 548; Ghazali – vol 2, 31

Barren women should be confined at home—they are fit only to be in the house-prison
Ghazali – vol 2, p. 24; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 3.29.3911

A woman has no say when her husband decides to add more wives in his harem; she can’t even ask her husband to divorce her
Sahih Bukhari – p. 141

A wife has the right to decorate her husband when he goes out to have sex with his other wives
Sahih Bukhari – 1.5.270

A woman should never be selected or elected as a ruler
Sahih Bukhari – 5.59.709; Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34

Muslim women uphold the right of Islamic Jihadists to rape captive women right in front of their vanquished husbands
The Qur’an – 4:24; Sahih Muslim – 8.3371, 3373, 3374, 3377;
Sunaan Abu Dawud – 2.11.2150, 8.77.598

Women are devils; they are as dirty and filthy as private parts are
Sahih Muslim – 8.3240, 3242; Ghazali – vol 2, p. 26, vol 2, p. 43

Fear the company of women—they bring bad luck
Sahih Bukhari – 7.62.30, 31; Bukhari – 4.52.110, 111;
Malik’s Muwatta – 54.821, 22; Sahih Muslim – 36.6603. 6604;
Ghazali – vol 3, p. 86, 87

Women have very little intelligence—their own testimony is inadmissible in rape cases; in other matters their testimony is half to that of a man
The Qur’an – 4:14, 2:282; Sunaan Abu Dawud – 3.40.4662

Women are less human—they get one-third of blood money, no booty (for Jihad) for them
Malik’s Muwatta – 43.64b; Sahih Muslim – 19.4458

Women are worse than dead persons—they cannot follow a bier
Sahih Muslim – 4.2039

Men should always oppose women
Ghazali – vol 2, p. 34

Women are easily expendable—a divorced woman gets no maintenance or alimony from her ex-husband
Sahih Muslim – 9.3519, 3522

A woman has the right to stay at home solely to provide sex to her husband
Hedaya – p. 54

A woman becomes a harlot when she wears perfume
Mishkat al-Masabih – vol 2, p. 255

I'm sure my posts will be removed, but am I quoting wrong?:D

Re: Hinduism is mankind's oldest spiritual declaration

This discussion is getting largely in the wrong direction and away from the fundamentals. In the end there is a truth. If that truth is knowable by humans as the Muslims, Christians Jews of the world believe then, each person is responsbile for knowing the truth, and is accountable for doing as instructed by God. Once you admit that God is all powerful, God created the world and God can destroy the world, its pointless to discuss the life choices or 'fairness' or even niceness of a religion. If X is the truth, its the truth even if its unpleasent. This is why I feel that Muslims should not try to apologize for God's rules. If you believe Islam describes the true state of the human condition, then you MUST take it whole sale and it does not matter if its intolerant. Truth does not tolerate adverse points of view, if its raining outside it either is or it isn't and if you go out without an umbrella you'll get wet, whether or not its nice to get soaked or not!

Christians who truly belive their religon is true also belive the same way, and their view is logically consistant. Hinduism, though nice with its promise of diversity, is useless if it does not describe the ultimate human condition.

Religons has but one purpose, to tell us what science cant. Where we came from and what happens to us after we die. If you believe in Islam, you will do whatever it takes to escape the punishment after death and gain the reward.

Re: Hinduism is mankind's oldest spiritual declaration

It's all Fiction.

All fiction.

Ancient Myth.