Hindu Terrorists Attempt Economic Strangulation of Kashmir

Mufti Muhammad Sayeed has actually joined in the demand for the opening of the Muzaffarabad/Rawalpindi highway, and compared the terrorists you’re supporting to the Israelis.

New Delhi’s Center for the Study of Developing Societies carried out a survey in Kashmir in 2007…87% favored independence.
87 pct in Kashmir Valley want independence - poll | International | Reuters

The MORI survey of 2002, which you’ll see quoted frequently quoted in official Indian government publications, found that only 9% of those interviewed in Kashmir believed in remaining a part of India. The same survey also found that while 65% of Kashmiris considered the Indian army to be guilty of widespread human rights violations, only 2% though the same of the militants. Of course, you won’t see these particular findings in the government publications…the government just glosses over all of that and focuses on the more pro-India findings in Jammu.
And on the crucial question of nationality 9% of those in and around Srinagar said they would be better off staying Indian, while 13% would opt to become citizens of Pakistan.

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This is a clear example of evading yourself from the reality.If you have said something,contrary to facts ,you need to produce links or supporting facts also.Merely typing something,can not force us to believe.It will only help you to give yourself some bits of satisfaction for typing.

I have asked for the reasons and not any kind of ideology which has emnated from any Kashmiri Muslim's thought.

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None other than Farooq Abdullah, India’s most loyal Kashmiri lap dog, and the man who was in power at the time of the exodus, has admitted the same:

There is a continuous propaganda going on that Kashmiri Pandits were thrown out by the Kashmiri Muslims. Do you agree with that?
No I don’t agree with that. But the situation was such that they were frightened that they could be a target. And the Governor of that time Jagmohan told them to go away for some time promising them that they will be brought back.

So Jagmohan instigated their exodus?
Yes of course he did it. I have always said that. I am on record to say that.
Kashmir Affairs - Security & Conflict Analysis of Kashmir

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India and Pakistan have fought and argued over the Himalayan region ever since partition in 1947, but 87 percent of people questioned in Srinagar have no allegiance to either side.

Only 3 percent of the mainly Muslim inhabitants of the city think Kashmir should become part of Pakistan, and 7 percent prefer Indian rule, the poll said.

But down in Jammu, the state's mainly Hindu winter capital in the plains to the south, 95 percent think Kashmir should be part of India.

:D

So pakistan is ruled out of Kashmir.Now only two parties remain Inda and Kashmir.Ofcourse Jammu stays with India.India is more popular than Pakistan in Kashmir. :p

Let's come back with other polls.

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If youare too much relying on this anti India site then,pls read these lines also....

If you think you will get azadi or become part of Pakistan you are dreaming. Kashmir will always remain with India. Even the Hurriyat leaders who fooled people with the slogans of azadi have now realised that they can’t achieve it and are talking with India both openly and secretly. They have realised the futility of hollow slogans. What is possible and what we could get is complete internal autonomy .............................

So Janab,whats your opinion now?

And the other poll shows that joining Pakistan is slightly more popular than staying in India. India is as "ruled out" as Pakistan is.

One thing is clear though all of these polls...the vast majority of the population wants nothing to do with India.

And if you, in your colonial arrogance, think that your country can suppress the will of 90% of Kashmir forever, then you're dreaming. The British and the French swore up and down that they would never have to abandon their colonies...and yet, one by one, they were kicked out.

We will never submit to being ruled over by bigots who call us animals, and threaten us with economic destruction so they can get their filthy paws on our land.

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^ Good. Draem on my brother.I wish youall the best.But do not be so much excited.

Dear Janab,British and French had colonized other countries and territories but how come India can just give away it's integral territory?

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If you think you will get azadi or become part of Pakistan you are dreaming. Kashmir will always remain with India. Even the Hurriyat leaders who fooled people with the slogans of azadi have now realised that they can’t achieve it and are talking with India both openly and secretly. They have realised the futility of hollow slogans. What is possible and what we could get is complete internal autonomy .............................

This statement is not mine brother,but Mr.Farooq's.Pls go through your own link .

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Dear Janab Sahib,Pls go throuh it answer us.

(This is taken from my earlier post to one thread).......

Thosewho think Kashmir will get independence one day ,pls come out of their palace of dreams.It;s high time that you people get over your delusions of grandeur.

1)Neither India Nor pak want a war

2)Kashmir terrorism and seperatism have lost all their supports and even the U.S calling the outfits ,as terrorists, and have listed them as terrorist organzations.

3)No scope for plebiscite

4)Kashmir terrorism has no calibre to pose a threat to the mighty Indian army.

5)The immediate helps terrorists can get,apart from Pakistan,is from Afghanistan,where Taliban is on run and even their Pak roosts are being destroyed by the superior NATO( US ) power.

6)Muslim nations do not utter a word about Kashmir.

7)More Terrorists resort to violence,India get more support both nationally and internationally.(Thehighlight....)

So pls telll us how the `utopian Kahmir independence' can be worked out?

hai ALLAH tere banaye huyee kaynat main tere bandon par yeh zulm.bahut na-insafi hai…bahut na=insafi hai

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Looking at some posts here I am reminded of a dinner some time ago in Montreal. There were people who had some link or other to almost all the "movements" - The Kashmiri separatist, the LTTE, the son of an ex-Khalistani. And it was an informal et together in a Pakistani friend's house. It was at once one of the most interesting yet disturbing conversations I've been too. The LTTE guy was talking about how Tamils had been treated and the atrocities against them (which frankly brought tears to all all eyes) the others were always talking about 'various feats' against India that their groups had performed. It was so embarassing that even the Pakistani host (who was most gracious by the way during the whole evening) had to sometimes step in and say things like "ofcourse our own Pakistan govt...." etc.

The son of the Khalistan sympathizer actually at one point said he himself personally was always against any separation but could never speak against the will of his dad. He wasn't a little embarassed that his dad was now helping him and his other son together build a second house in Delhi, next to each other and was putting mild pressure for him to return and live together there in Delhi!

The Kashmiri separatist sympathiser was the only one who kept getting angry everyother sentence. He was the angriest whenever the Pakistani host tried to chime in with a mia culpa about Pakistani govt (Frankly I think the host did that to make sure me the Indian didn't feel too bad in his house...he is that kind of such a nice generous guy) but none of us were ever clear about what exactly the Kashmiri separatist dude was angry about - his parents were well educated, his siblings were well settled, none o fthem had ever faced any problems or confrontations - all we could conclude was it was the fashinable thing to do.

After a couple of years when passing through Delhi, I dropped in on the Khalistani sympathizer and after a great meal recollected the above get together and conversations with his son in Canada. Imagine my surprise - he said Bindranwale made so many mistakes that they themselves could no longer understand the mission anymore and the more they learnt about overtures from 'outside' that a large number of them just lost all interest and quit mentally. He regrets the whole movement and i shappily playing with grand children, walks 6 miles every day and lives in fear that his grand children never learn about that chapter of his life

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Paunjab Terrorism couldn ever win the heart of Punjabi people.

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^^ dont try to argue with a crying baby. he is gonna cry is whole life and nthin will happen

Hindu intifada

Images can have a profound impact and make a lasting impression even on the most cynical among us. They can also act as a force multiplier in a conflict zone. Recall the photographs and television footage of teenaged Palestinian boys in Gaza and the West Bank confronting Israeli tanks armed with no more than shepherd’s slings; of young men, their faces half-covered with handkerchiefs and kafiyeh, racing through billowing clouds of tear gas to hurl stones at soldiers armed with assault rifles; of middle-aged and old women violating police pickets and defying curfew. That was the first time we heard of a little-used Arabic word, intifada, which literally means to shake off but in recent times has come to mean a rebellion premised on the Biblical tale of David vanquishing Goliath, a relentless mass protest born of festering anger, deep-seated grievance and overwhelming, uncontrollable rage.

We are witnessing a similar intifada in Jammu province where young and old, men and women, are locked in an unequal battle with the police – and, since Friday, the Army – demanding the immediate revocation of the Government order cancelling the transfer of 800 kanals of land to the Sri Amarnath Shrine Board. The land was meant for creating temporary facilities for pilgrims who trek to the Amarnath shrine every year, braving inclement weather and jihadi attacks. This time, it’s a Hindu intifada, an outpouring of pent-up anger which has brought life in Jammu and other towns and villages in the province to a standstill.

It’s been more than a month that the Hindus of Jammu have taken to the streets, burning tyres, taunting policemen, braving tear gas and real bullets, violating curfew and blockading the highway to Srinagar. The images emanating from Jammu are eerily similar to those that emanated from Gaza and the West Bank during the Palestinian intifada. More tellingly, the tactics that have been adopted by the protesters are those that have often brought Kashmir Valley to a standstill. If you look at the photographs of the Hindu intifada, you will get a sense of how Jammu has decided to give Kashmir a taste of its own medicine – in this case it is Dum Dum dawai.

The details of the land transfer fiasco are well-known. The Congress-PDP Government headed by Mr Ghulam Nabi Azad had instructed the Forest Department to transfer the land to the SASB. Within days Muslims in the Kashmir Valley, led and instigated by pro-Pakistani separatists, took to the streets, insisting no land should be provided for pilgrim facilities. The All-Party Hurriyat Conference spread three canards: First, the transfer amounted to alienation of ‘Kashmiri land’; second, it would lead to intrusion of ‘Hindu culture’ in Muslim Kashmir; and, third, it would cause ecological damage.

The PDP, sensing an opportunity to revive its pro-separatist – if not brazenly anti-India/ anti-Hindu – image in the run-up to the Assembly election in Jammu & Kashmir, joined the protest and subsequently withdrew from the Government. To his credit, Mr Azad stood firm and refused to budge from his Government’s decision, till Mr NN Vohra took over as Governor, replacing Gen SK Sinha. Mr Vohra, in his capacity as ex-officio chairman of the SASB, wrote a letter to Mr Azad, returning the land and also offering to relinquish the board’s task of organising the annual yatra, thus making the pilgrimage to the Amarnath shrine subordinate to the Valley’s Muslims über alle politics and Delhi’s equally odious politics of Muslim appeasement.

Mr Vohra reportedly sent his letter to Mr Azad at 8.30 pm on June 28. “The news of that abject surrender provoked an explosion of outrage across Jammu,” says a senior member of the Amarnath Yatra Sangharsh Samiti, a broad-based organisation without any political affiliation which is at the forefront of the protest. “The Governor has violated the SASB Act. He cannot act unilaterally. Any decision of the board has to be endorsed by at least five members,” says Prof Hari Om, academic and activist. “He is also in contempt of the High Court which had passed an interim order approving the transfer of 800 kanals of land to the board in Baltal,” he adds.

For all his efforts to appease the Muslim protesters in Kashmir Valley by ‘returning’ the land that had been allotted for Hindu pilgrims, Mr Vohra was unable to save the Congress-PDP Government. The PDP pulled out from the ruling alliance on June 28; on July 1, Mr Azad, obviously under mounting pressure from his party bosses in Delhi, reversed the earlier decision.

Meanwhile, in Jammu there was a spontaneous shutdown on June 30. “I don’t recall such a massive bandh in recent years,” says a lawyer who has been involved with the protest; he does not wish to be named, fearing harassment by authorities. Neither do the protesters wish to be identified because they fear they will be picked up from their homes by the police who take their instructions from Srinagar.

So, every morning, afternoon, evening and night, students, workers, professionals, senior citizens and housewives take to the streets, engaging the police in dogfights, hurling tear gas shells back at their tormentors, chasing cops when they are outnumbered, retreating into narrow alleys when the men in uniform regather, and then surging out all over again. Their faces masked with handkerchiefs, they hurl stones; their eyes reflecting their rage. Scores have been shot and wounded; three of them have died; a young man was chased across rooftops by the police – he jumped to his death.

“Each death only makes us more determined. We are not going to be bullied by the Valley any more. Jammu wants a voice of its own. Jammu’s Hindus will no longer tolerate oppression by Kashmir’s Muslims,” says a young protester, still in his teens, from his house in downtown Jammu. His voice has just begun to crack.

The day after the June 30 bandh, Jammu flared up with street marches and protest rallies. The authorities responded by clamping curfew, in an effort to force people to remain indoors, till July 7. Women came out of their homes and dared the police to shoot them. An enduring image of the Hindu intifada is that of an aged woman, a Pandit who was forced out of the Valley along with her family and three lakh other Pandits in the early days of jihadi terror, threatening a Kalashnikov-sporting policeman at a curfew picket with her tattered and torn slipper.

On July 7, the Congress-PDP Government officially exited office; the next day the Sangharsh Samiti suspended its agitation, giving the Governor a fortnight’s time to either have the land restored to the SASB or resign from office. “Mr Vohra did neither. He only added fuel to the fire by telling some people who went to plead with him, ‘Why should I bother about Jammu? Does Jammu matter? Does Jammu exist?’ He has been insensitive and his actions have only served to provoke the protesters,” says a senior official in the Jammu administration.

“Years of neglect of Jammu by Kashmir has resulted in what you are seeing today. The people are frustrated. The Pandits have at last found a platform to vent their anger. Jammu has more people than Kashmir, but the lion’s share always goes to the Valley,” says Prof Hari Om.

Jammu province has 37 Assembly seats and two Lok Sabha constituencies. Kashmir Valley has 46 Assembly seats and elects three Lok Sabha MPs. Of the 37 Assembly constituencies in Jammu province, 25 have a Hindu-majority population; the remaining 12 have a Muslim-majority profile. “Our voice naturally gets drowned,” says an advocate who is a member of the Sangharsh Samiti.

The natural beneficiary of the Hindu intifada would be the BJP. It could end up sweeping all the Hindu-majority seats in Jammu province and even emerge as the single-largest party in the next Assembly. The Muslim vote in the Valley would be divided between the National Conference and the PDP. The Congress could get wiped out – it has little to claim as support in the Valley; following the intifada in Jammu, it can’t look forward to winning 15 seats in this province as it did in 2002.

This should have set alarm bells ringing at the Congress headquarters in Delhi. Strangely, the party’s ‘high command’ doesn’t seem to care. Or so it would seem from the near non-response to the protest.

Mr Vohra and his patrons in Delhi have “clearly underestimated the determination of Jammu’s long-suffering Hindus who have had to cope with denial and deprivation for decades as the State Government focuses only on the Kashmir Valley,” the advocate-activist says.

This explains what happened on July 22. Kuldeep Raj Dogra, in his mid-30s, who was participating in a hungerstrike at Jammu’s Parade Ground, decided to do something tragically dramatic: He consumed poison, stood up to read out a passionately patriotic poem he had penned, faltered and fell dead. “It was his way of registering his protest against Mr Omar Abdullah’s speech in Parliament … he was incensed by the National Conference leader’s duplicity,” says Prof Hari Om.

The police panicked. They forcibly took away Kuldeep’s body to his hometown, Bisnah, 15 km from Jammu, and “tried to cremate it using old tyres, kerosene oil and liquor”, according to a Sangharsh Samiti leader. Kuldeep’s widow, Shilpi, tried to prevent the cremation and raised a hue and cry. The police have been accused of “insulting, abusing and assaulting” Shilpi to silence her. But a huge crowd gathered and snatched Kuldeep’s body from the police. It was taken to Jammu and the situation subsequently just went out of control.

Since then, the Hindu intifada has gathered both force and speed. Curfew has been clamped on all of Jammu and Samba. The Army has been called out. The Governor has been virtually forced to remain confined within the Raj Bhavan by protesters who continue to gather at the gates in large numbers with every passing hour. Mr Vohra’s ‘eight-point formula’, which included “allowing” the SASB to “maintain infrastructure during the yatra period”, to end the deadlock, has been spurned. The Sangharsh Samiti is adamant that it will settle for nothing less than restoration of the 800 kanals of land to the SASB for Hindu pilgrims.

Just how determined the protesters are can be gauged from the manner in which thousands of them laid siege to the airport after hearing that Mr Farooq Abdullah of the National Conference and PDP president Mehbooba Mufti were flying in. They had to be flown from the airport to the Raj Bhavan in a helicopter after the protesters refused to let them through.

Since Friday night, the intifada has escalated and spread to virtually every corner of Jammu province. Protesters, defying curfew, have been relentlessly pouring out into the streets throughout the night, daring policemen and Army personnel to shoot them. Two men were shot dead, 35 were injured when the police fired on protesters ransacking the District Magistrate’s office in Samba. By mid-afternoon on Saturday, the intifada was truly raging in Jammu and beyond.

All trucks headed for Srinagar have been stopped by protesters at Samba and on the Jammu-Pathankot national highway. No trucks are being allowed to enter Jammu from Srinagar. Kashmir’s Muslims could yet get to know what it feels like to be at the receiving end of popular fury and mass anger, as opposed to the Valley’s made-in-Pakistan rage.

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Janab's a she.. (If i recall correctly)

KP's were victims of a situation created by India.

India couldn't even provide for the KP refugees, the conditions they live in in Jammu camps is pretty atrocious.

There are hindu radicals just as extreme as muslim radicals, so please refrain from Islam bashing and generalising, it just shows the level of your intelligence.

Kashmir will surely gain independence the day the people of India fall to the level of stupidity shown by some of the Indians in these threads. (Indians you be the judge of this comment)

Article 370 <3 !!!

Aftab, a local Urdu newspaper, publishes a press release issued by Hizb-ul Mujahideen, set up by the Jamaat-e-Islami in 1989 to wage jihad for Jammu and Kashmir’s secession from India and accession to Pakistan, asking all Hindus to pack up and leave. Another local paper, Al Safa, repeats this expulsion order

19/01/90: When Kashmiri Pandits fled Islamic terro

Do you deny these things were written or said ?

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  1. An offhand reference to “newspaper press releases” in a repository of anti-Kashmiri and anti-Muslim filth like rediff.com doesn’t prove anything. Until you bring me articles from Aftab and Al Safa (surely if this 1 press release was so important that it drove 100,000 people from their homes someone must have saved a copy) I could care less what some idiot on rediff is claiming.

  2. Even if we assume the author isn’t fabricating statements, It’s amusing to see how quick you are to insist that TV messages demanding Kashmiris/Muslims leave Jammu are all being broadcast by the APHC in the guise of Hindu extremists…but its absolutely inconceivable that this alleged press release couldn’t possibly have been put out by the Indian government to play up the threat against Pandits.

  3. Jagmohan’s role in building up hysteria and sparking the Pandit exodus has been pointed out by a several members of the state administration from the early 90’s…including non-Kashmiri senior IAS officers working with the governor around that time. It’s even been pointed out in the Indian media before (in an article by a former Indian ambassador and Rajya Sabha member, no less):
    HVK Archives: Kashmiri Pandits: Political games worsen their plight

   All Indians,including  HindusMuslims  Christians and other minorities have fallen to this stupidity level.But still Kashmir remains with us.

Rediff is idiotic … but what about Human rights watch

Since the late 1980s, Kashmiri militants have engaged in widespread violations of international human rights and humanitarian norms

It is also likely that the acquisition of large numbers of more advanced weapons contributes to the militants’ efforts to instill fear in the civilian Hindu population and among Muslim civilians who do not support the militants’ aims; militant threats and attacks on Hindus living in the Kashmir valley caused some 100,000 to flee to refugee camps in 1990

Militant organizations operating in Kashmir have committed grave violations of international human rights and humanitarian law. Many of the violent attacks committed by these groups have deliberately targeted civilians. Among the worst abuses have been the assassinations of hundreds of civilians, including members of the Hindu community, civil servants and political figures, particularly Muslim political leaders associated with the National Conference party and other political groups opposed by the militants

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/kashmir/1994/kashmir94-04.htm#N_148_

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Reports about POK …

I would like to see how some members defend Pak Army …

Pakistan: ‘Free Kashmir’ Far From Free (Human Rights Watch, 21-9-2006)