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Dear Asif, this is the problem. You accept that some Muslim invaders destroyed Hindu temples and at the same time you ask for evidence.
Same is the theme of leaders of Muslim organizations. You are a little forward, they even do not accept that invaders did anything wrong.
Reg your demand of evidence, why you do not visit Mathura, Krishna temple/ vs Arangzeb Mosque or Qutub Minar at Delhi?
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Absconder - I have visited Qutub Minar in Mehrauli, Delhi and Yes I have seen the pictures of Ganesha on the bricks and it might be possible that there was a Hindu Temple where they built the Minar by destroying or demolishing the temple and I dont have any problem accepting it. I haven't been to Mathura so can't comment.
But I still dont get your point. Do you suggest that at all such mosques (where a mosque was built by demolishing a temple) should be demolished and the Temple should be rebuilt ? Do you mean to suggest that we should demolish the Red Fort, Qutab Minar, Taj mahal and every mosque in India ??
Or Do you expect a Public apology from Muslims for the actions of Aurangzebs and Ghaznis ?
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Do Muslims accept that Muslims destroyed Hindu temples in Indian subcontinent? Do Muslims feel shame for that?
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Why are you asking same questions again and again, when it has already been answered ? Listen brother, I dont talk to bigots esp if it is an Indian. If you continue your bull**** and keep asking same questions again and again then I am done talking to you. You asked two questions and I answered very cleary in YES and NO. Now let me ask you something, Would you like to be hanged for the crime commited by your great grandfather 100 years ago ? Or suppose you are going to a Temple, doing your Puja for 30 years and all at a Sudden a Muslim claims that there was a Mosque on that site and they have an archeological proof too, what do you suggest then, Demolish the temple and build a mosque and how would the hindu community take it ?
Dear Asif, in fact Indian Muslim organizations repeat day and night that any Islamic structure or mosque site must be handed over to Hindus if it is built over the debris of a Hindu temple.
If these organizations agree to your confession, India will be totally free of valuable monuments of historical heritage.
(Muslims have destroyed Hindu temples, this confession, off course is a rarity.)
Problem is the double standard of these organizations. They ask for the evidence and do not agree to anything proved. They know how to exploit the Indian judiciary.
You know well that Indian Muslims and Hindus are soft towards each other even after riots, killings, Godhra and Gujarat.
Who is providing fuel for VHP, if not these Muslim organizations?
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*Originally posted by absconder: *
Dear Asif, in fact Indian Muslim organizations repeat day and night that any Islamic structure or mosque site must be handed over to Hindus if it is built over the debris of a Hindu temple.
If these organizations agree to your confession, India will be totally free of valuable monuments of historical heritage.
(Muslims have destroyed Hindu temples, this confession, off course is a rarity.)
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Once again, you are speaking the language of a BIGOT. I dont like people to twist my statements esp if they are Indians. I never confessed to muslims destoying temples, Muslims didn't destroy any temple, some rulers (whose religion happened to be ISLAM) did and you can not hold entire community responsible for it. Do you even understand the meanings of words like 'Monuments', 'National Heritage' etc.. because If you did, you wouldn't go and start relieving yourself in the most sacred river of Hindus or at the Tajmahal.
Ever heard the story of Traitor Jaichand ?? Should we start calling all the Hindus 'Traitors of Hindustan' ??
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Who is providing fuel for VHP, if not these Muslim organizations?
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Nothing makes me more mad when illitrate a$$holes like you come here and start blaming Muslims for the rise of VHP and Bajrang Dal. You idiots dont even understand that VHP doesn't need any fuel from anyone, as long as they have bigots like Singhal, Togadia and Katiyaars working for them.
Asif, I cannot understand this 'blame-blame' mentality. My message on this thread was precisely to highlight this assinine thinking. Yes, we know some muslims broke temples, yes, we are aware of Gujrat, yes, dalits are getting killed...etc etc.
So,should I start apologising for what my ancestors did? Or for what some idiot in Gujrat is doing without my permission? Absconder wants to hold you responsible for Aurangzeb, and Pakistanis want to hold me responsible for Togadia. it's a sad world we live in when we call ourselves educated but display such bigotry.
There is no point in discussing anything further when people cannot contribute to society beyond a 'you did it first!'.
Sorry, Asif, I do not like to make big reply to make everything clear. And you take it for bigotry. No such intention.
Your statements are enough to make it sure that your worry for India and Indian society. So I do.
My all intention was to expose the double standard of Muslim Organizations (pls pay attn, not Muslims.)
They say the same that if any temple was destroyed by Muslims, (let us say by Muslim rulers), it can be given to Hindus, and with the same tone they ask for the evidence.
And they play between ‘if’ and ‘evidence’.
VHP needs an enemy and it is there.
What is the real problem? You accept it or not, India is a Hindu majority country and any time an organization like VHP can play with the sentiments.
A little idealism…if Muslims organizations and Muslims offer help in reconstruction of three worship places of Hindus, that is Ram (Ayodhya) Krishna (Matrhura) and Shiva (Kashi) without any claim!
An idealist solution,…… because there is no guarantee that VHP will not find more claims.
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What is the real problem? You accept it or not, India is a Hindu majority country and any time an organization like VHP can play with the sentiments.
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India's problem is people like you. I dont care what religion they come from. Read Karina's post, I think she said it very well and there is nothing more to say.
You can continue to support VHP (for mathura, Kashi and Ayodhya) with your TAN, MAN and DHAN. I will continue to pray for peace in my country.
Mr Asif, pls read once again, what I have written.
By all your ending utterings you fall into the same catagory as that of any other Muslim organization.
You started like good Indian citizen and ending like bad mulla. No this way you offer nothing good to country.
You agree that Hindu temples are destryoed (Muslim organizations do not agree) and then you ask for evidence (Like any other Muslim organization.) India is fed up your this, 'if' and 'evidence'.
There is no difference between you and Shahabuddin, and both of you are a requirement of VHP mullahs.
India needs an openness and not bigotry.