Hindu Temple found at Ayodhya

A Hindu Temple is found at the debris of Babri structre. The Muslim stalwarts were saying that they would give up at a single instance, but now oppose the findings. Dispute to be continued…

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=24149

ASI report mentions evidence of temple at disputed site in Ayodhya

Press Trust of India

Lucknow, Aug 25: In what could be a turning point in the Ayodhya dispute, the Archaeological Survey of India has reported to the High Court in Lucknow that its excavations found distinctive features of a 10th century temple beneath the Babri mosque site even as the Sunni Central Waqf Board termed the report as “vague and self-contradictory”.

Didn't GW find WMD in Iraq a few times already??
Should anyone really be getting happy yet?

Re: Hindu Temple found at Ayodhya

who did the survey???? hindus?????of course they'll find many things

Hindus face new challenge over razed mosque

You are assuming that it’s a temple, just like the RSS and Shiv Sena are.

There is evidence to suggest that what was found was not a hindu temple at all, and may well have simply been an earlier mosque site upon which a grander mosque was contructed.

A group of independent archaelogists and historians is to challenge a report by the archaeological survey of India that a Hindu temple existed at the holy city of Ayodhya beneath the ruins of a mosque destroyed in 1992.
At a news conference in New Delhi yesterday, the group said it would file its objections in court. “It is all a figment of the imagination,” said historian Irfan Habib, who claimed that **the government archaeologists had “monkeyed” with the structure they excavated to establish that they had uncovered a Hindu shrine.

Suraj Bhan, a professor of archaeology, who visited the site during the archaeological dig, maintained that there was enough evidence to show that the burnt-brick structure uncovered under the razed Babri mosque was actually another mosque dating from the Sultanate period, another phase of Muslim rule before the Mughals. **

The ASI’s report, following a five-month court-ordered excavation, claimed to have found evidence of a large, 11th century temple beneath the site in the northern Indian town of Ayodhya. Such a finding would establish the legitimacy of the area as a Hindu shrine rather than a Muslim site.

**Yesterday, the independent archaeologists pointed out several discrepancies - glazed pottery and lime mortar has been found at the excavated site, both having been introduced in India after the Muslim invasions, and the site of the buried structure corresponds exactly to the plan of the Babri mosque. Moreover, the report glosses over the unearthing of animal bones, unthinkable at a Hindu temple site. “It was normal for Muslims to construct a new mosque at the site of an old one to claim merit in the eyes of God,” said Mr Habib. **

“This may well be a tampered report, which has no legal significance, only political significance,” said lawyer Rajeev Dhawan. “No expert evidence has any value in court unless subjected to cross-examination. And that will happen.”

question is why call yourself a secular state when you are so religious? At least have some guts to come clean with what you are. And i read the thing mad posted so whats the argument now about cuz i also read that archeologists say there is no proof it was a temple.

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maybe i’m a bad Muslim but i really couldn’t care less what they do to the babri mosque site, frankly…balkay khuda k lyay please, turn it into a temple and then maamla to mukay once and for all…is say kon se musalman ya islam ke kon se rukan ko nuksaan pohonchta hae? :confused: i’m sure india mein masjidon kee kami naheen hae…aik masjid kee zameen jis pe kab se khoon kharaba ho raha hae wo musalman sabar kar ke hindus ko de deyn to mere khayal se Allah naraz naheen khush ho ga..Allah o Alim

i mean if thats bad they can even turn it into a hospital or school

but why all this rola…

its NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT worth getting even one more muslim or hindu life spent over… logon ke paas khanay ko do wakt ki roti naheen hae and the selfish politicoreligious leaders have nothing better to do than flare up innocent people’s emotions and then make them fight against each other and shed each other’s blood :frowning:

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :frusty:

^ so true. It's simply not worth it. There are thousands of temples and thousands of mosques. Let's build some hospitals and libraries in that site. I am sure both Lord Rama and Alla will be quite happy if we do that.

We can even call it The Holy AllaRam Hospital. (RamAlla is already taken)

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yeah seriously...i think thats gona be great...

so why doesn't the government do something like that? i'm sure the idea's come up before...

Because a bunch of pols want to get elected using this as a divisive voting issue. But I think this will get settled soon AFTER the next election.

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yeah seriously...i think thats gona be great...

so why doesn't the government do something like that? i'm sure the idea's come up before...
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Ayodhya is basically a no issue ... parties on both sides used this to gain political milage. ppl really dont care for temple / mosque. No party involved wants to solve this problem.

^^ sucks :mad:

temple will not be built since every four years politician need to
use this issue.

^^ good point

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=24457

High-level committee to decide on Ayodhya

Press Trust o India

Ranchi, Sept 6: VHP international secretary general Praveen Togadia on Saturday said a high-level committee comprising religious leaders would be formed to take a final decision on construction of the Ram temple in Ayodhya.

“A three-day meeting in New Delhi, chaired by Mahant Avedhnath, starting on September 14 will constitute a Kendriya Marg Darshan Committee (Central Path Finding Committee) consisting of religious leaders. It will take a decision on giving final shape, path and setting of time-frame for construction of Ram Temple in Ayodhya," Togadia told a news conference here.

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turn it into a temple and then maamla to mukay once and for all
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i'm sure india mein masjidon kee kami naheen hae...aik masjid kee zameen jis pe kab se khoon kharaba ho raha hae

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Point is that Hindus have no proof whatsoever that there was a temple there. There is no way it could be established that Raam was born at the very same site.

The reason Hindus are making hue and cry is that they want this to happen to several other mosques and sites in India. Babri Masjid is just the start of a bigger plan.

So anybody who thinks that giving up Babri Masjid is going to solve the problem is thinking wrong. It is not going to clean up the issue, it is going to aggravate it.

Hindus are going to start claiming other Muslim sites on one pretext or another, after their campaign against Babri Masjid.

The matter is not as simple as it seems.

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is say kon se musalman ya islam ke kon se rukan ko nuksaan pohonchta hae?
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Iss se Islam ko nuqsaan nahin pohanchta magar musalmaanon aur unn ki tareekh ko shadeed nuqsaan ponhchay ga.

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i mean if thats bad they can even turn it into a hospital or school
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But that's not what Hindus plan to do with the Masjid.

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its NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT worth getting even one more muslim or hindu life spent over... logon ke paas khanay ko do wakt ki roti naheen hae and the selfish politicoreligious leaders have nothing better to do than flare up innocent people's emotions and then make them fight against each other and shed each other's blood :(
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Sorry, but this frustration should be directed more towards Hindus, not Muslims.
Hindus are responsible for this mess, not Muslims. They are the guilty party. All their claims are mere allegations, with no proof whatsoever.

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Ayodhya is basically a no issue ... parties on both sides used this to gain political milage. ppl really dont care for temple / mosque. No party involved wants to solve this problem.
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So if Muslims did not budge to give Hindus their age-old site, does this mean that they also used it for political expediency?
Amazing conclusion.

Sure this issue is politically motivated, but certainly not on Muslims' part.

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So if Muslims did not budge to give Hindus their age-old site, does this mean that they also used it for political expediency?

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Once you agree it is their site, what's the objection to giving it back?

I was at a conference this morning called India Unlimited in NYC. Shekar Gupta, the Editor in Chief of the Indian express said something that resonated with a lot of folks there. He said that for the first timein Indian politics the "economy" has taken root as the major issue. He gave the example of the Independence day celebrations this year.

To lay out the scenario, every year on Aug 15th the PM would go to Red Fort, unfurl the flag and then begin by promising 20 crores to this minority, 15 crore to this cause....Talking about establishing the temple in Ayodhya etc. This year for the first time in modern Indian history, the PM began by highlighting the amount of investment made into the infrastructure to promote India Inc. He spoke about the IT and ITES industries. He spoke about hope, not about past. This comment came from a news paper chief that is virulently anti-establishment.

He said that the you cannot go to the voters anymore with the Ayodhya issue. what more pandering can they get out of it, politically? It was a valid point. So those of you who are much removed from the realities on the ground, I feel pity. But do carry on with your nonsense.

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He said that the you cannot go to the voters anymore with the Ayodhya issue. what more pandering can they get out of it, politically? It was a valid point. So those of you who are much removed from the realities on the ground, I feel pity. But do carry on with your nonsense.

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Realities on the ground? absolutely! Maybe Modi will become the next PM of India on a economic platform: How to "cleanse" the land of muslims efficiently: burning or gassing? We'll use whatevers cheap.