I'm clapping on simplicity of thoughts you presented alleging religion and religious people reason for all the problems of Pakistan.
Hindu Pani and Muslim pani ( separate water at public places for different religions) was discrimination that Muslims faced in United India on masses level leading to realisation which formed one of the basis of demand for Pakistan. Of course, there were other political and economic fears, but masses faced this discrimination which was successfully exploited by Muslim league and its leaders
Simplicity of thoughts U call it? doesnt the incident happening around U worries U? Why its happening in the hyper religious society like urs and not in other parts of the world? Can religion wash off his hands in light of these killings?
Hindu pani and muslim pani, ha? I pose a simple question to U, will U drink the water from the same pot from which a person, who consumed the forbidden meat, drank? The logic behind those panis was only the apprehension of hindus that muslims eat meat of cow who they treat as holy and worship it. Where is discrimination behind this? And if some party exploited this as a discrimination than its not fault of hindus but those muslims who were misled. Today too a hindu wont drink from the pot under impression that it is used by someone who consume cow meat, and similarly U too wont drink from the pot which ur porky friend used. isnt it? why make a big deal of such small issue?
Simplicity of thoughts U call it? doesnt the incident happening around U worries U? Why its happening in the hyper religious society like urs and not in other parts of the world? Can religion wash off his hands in light of these killings?
All I know its not 100% religious people. Its the action against Muslims, presence of unattended issues like Palestine, Kashmir, etc that created hatred amongst people and there is a lobby which is using this hatred. Its a big game and calling religion and religious people only responsible for this will not leading us to any solution IMO.
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Hindu pani and muslim pani, ha? I pose a simple question to U, will U drink the water from the same pot from which a person, who consumed the forbidden meat, drank? The logic behind those panis was only the apprehension of hindus that muslims eat meat of cow who they treat as holy and worship it. Where is discrimination behind this? And if some party exploited this as a discrimination than its not fault of hindus but those muslims who were misled. Today too a hindu wont drink from the pot under impression that it is used by someone who consume cow meat, and similarly U too wont drink from the pot which ur porky friend used. isnt it? why make a big deal of such small issue?
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I would personally drink and won't have problem from drinking a glass which was used by a Hindu. Dharam Bharsht concept due to touch of us Muslims (Maleechhs) was beyond this Hindu Pani Muslim pani in united India. If a Muslim by accident step into Rasoi of a Hindu, they had to clean that up. What was the justification of living together, when people couldn't eat from the same plate. The things have now improved a lot on both side of the border, but at that time people really felt that discrimination and therefore opted to leave their ancestral homes.
I dont have problem to drink tea at Hindu home. I can even eat with Hindu in same plate as long as we are eating vegetarian/Halal food. Islam teaches harmony among different faiths, and it is indeed one of the most liberal and moderate religion of the world and selected by Allah for all mankind.
I also protest the demolition of Hindu Temple and request the authority to build another Temple for them and issue public apology for Hindu community. Hindu community is one of the most peaceful community of Karachi. They do celebrate Eid/Holi/Christmas. They are living in better condition, but again single event could not minimize the overall brotherhood and harmony.
All I know its not 100% religious people. Its the action against Muslims, presence of unattended issues like Palestine, Kashmir, etc that created hatred amongst people and there is a lobby which is using this hatred. Its a big game and calling religion and religious people only responsible for this will not leading us to any solution IMO.
I too know that they are not even 1% religious peoples. What I didnt know was that these killings in Pakistan is about expressing anger against unattended issues like palestine or kashmir. What a great way of expression I will only say, but cant clap like urself, sorry for that. Ur views are known to me now, be it known to U that I dont subscribe to ur views.
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I would personally drink and won't have problem from drinking a glass which was used by a Hindu. Dharam Bharsht concept due to touch of us Muslims (Maleechhs) was beyond this Hindu Pani Muslim pani in united India. If a Muslim by accident step into Rasoi of a Hindu, they had to clean that up. What was the justification of living together, when people couldn't eat from the same plate. The things have now improved a lot on both side of the border, but at that time people really felt that discrimination and therefore opted to leave their ancestral homes
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U wont be able to escape my question like this. I didnt ask U whether U will drink from a hindu's glass or not. I asked U whether U will drink from the glass which has been used by someone who consume pork. Just say yes or no. I m against this dharm bharsht concept too. But unlike U I wont blame hindus for not drinking from the same pot just because I have to respect their beliefs. All the apprehensions of hindus revolved around cow meat-eating ppls, like it or dislike it. And if this was the discrimination enough for partition, than okay, I got ur reply.
I too know that they are not even 1% religious peoples. What I didnt know was that these killings in Pakistan is about expressing anger against unattended issues like palestine or kashmir. What a great way of expression I will only say, but cant clap like urself, sorry for that. Ur views are known to me now, be it known to U that I dont subscribe to ur views.
You are all allowed to celebrate. But be it known that hatred created through atrocities against Muslims all over the world is being quoted in Pakistan as a first mean to instigate mob mentality. Why not so called liberal organisations like UNO take proper action against such action. Forget it, they are only the protectors of super powers interests.
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U wont be able to escape my question like this. I didnt ask U whether U will drink from a hindu's glass or not. I asked U whether U will drink from the glass which has been used by someone who consume pork. Just say yes or no. I m against this dharm bharsht concept too. But unlike U I wont blame hindus for not drinking from the same pot just because I have to respect their beliefs. All the apprehensions of hindus revolved around cow meat-eating ppls, like it or dislike it. And if this was the discrimination enough for partition, than okay, I got ur reply.
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If a person eat pork its his/ her personal problem and won't feel offended drinking from the glass they drink water. I would certainly have problem in drinking water in a glass that was used for drinking wine and not properly washed after that. Hindu Pani Muslim pani was not the concept in homes, it was applicable at public places like railway stations and other public gatherings. It was not about drinking from the glass, which contained sacred cow's meat. It was drinking from the glass which was used by a Maleechh
And regarding the unfortunate killing of muslims, U need to understand that its human nature to hate someone. So long as hindus and muslims are living together, some of them will hate each other. When hindus wont find muslims to satisfy their hunger for hatred, they will try to find out some ppls among hindus only and start hating them. Ditto with muslims. U can see when muslims didnt find enough hindus or christians to fight in Pakistan, they explored some new ways to find a prey for their hatred. And all the killings and bombings in Pakistan testifies this.
What have you got to say about the bomb blasts carried out in India by Hindu extremists? Or the killings of Rajiv Gandhi etc by Tamil Tigers? Was it for the same reason?
Dharam Bharsht concept due to touch of us Muslims (Maleechhs) was beyond this Hindu Pani Muslim pani in united India. If a Muslim by accident step into Rasoi of a Hindu, they had to clean that up. What was the justification of living together, when people couldn't eat from the same plate. The things have now improved a lot on both side of the border, but at that time people really felt that discrimination and therefore opted to leave their ancestral homes.
From what I have heard muslims were considered to be worse than shudars, there was a reason why a big proportion of the population was apprehensive of living in United India.
U wont be able to escape my question like this. I didnt ask U whether U will drink from a hindu's glass or not. I asked U whether U will drink from the glass which has been used by someone who consume pork. Just say yes or no. I m against this dharm bharsht concept too. But unlike U I wont blame hindus for not drinking from the same pot just because I have to respect their beliefs. All the apprehensions of hindus revolved around cow meat-eating ppls, like it or dislike it. And if this was the discrimination enough for partition, than okay, I got ur reply.
I dont think there should be any problem if the glass has been washed (for hygiene purposes), in western societies dont hindus and muslims drink coffees and water in the same cups that their western colleagues use? I certainly have a problem if some one offers a person from another faith with different utensils as compared to themselves.
You are all allowed to celebrate. But be it known that hatred created through atrocities against Muslims all over the world is being quoted in Pakistan as a first mean to instigate mob mentality. Why not so called liberal organisations like UNO take proper action against such action. Forget it, they are only the protectors of super powers interests.
Celebrate is a bit harsh word to be used by U. But u are entitled to it. U again bring up atrocities committed against muslims. All I have to say that the most deadly oppression of muslims have been done by none other than muslims themselves. If U want to discuess it further, than lets talk about it in a separate thread, lest the mods should object to it here. But I stand by my words. Muslims have killed muslims in far far greater numbers than non muslims. So all the laments and crying victim is for vested interests rather than sympathy towards muslims. BTW I m yet to understand why muslims in Pakistan, choose to vent their anger by killing their own muslim brothers and sisters. And why u are using the so called atrocities on poor muslims to reason violence against muslims in Pakistan. And plz spare me throwing UNO on my face, Gujrat and Babri is enough burden for me to bear already.
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if a person eat pork its his/ her personal problem and won't feel offended drinking from the glass ept in homes, it was applicable at public places like railway stations and other public gatherings. It was not about drinking from the glass, which contained sacred cow's meat. Ithey drink water. I would certainly have problem in drinking water in a glass that was used for drinking wine and not properly washed after that. Hindu Pani Muslim pani was not the concIt was drinking from the glass which was used by a Maleechh
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okay, i got U, and now I can understand what kind of mindset worked behind partition. Why muslims chose to move away frm their hindu brothers. Thanks for making me understand.
What have you got to say about the bomb blasts carried out in India by Hindu extremists? Or the killings of Rajiv Gandhi etc by Tamil Tigers? Was it for the same reason?
Why would U like to believe that extremism and terrorism are copyright of muslims only? Why cant there be terrorists among hindus or any other community?
Why would U like to believe that extremism and terrorism are copyright of muslims only? Why cant there be terrorists among hindus or any other community?
So what's the big deal if there are some terrorists within the Muslims? Don't worry we will deal with them as required, please clean up your own backyard before lecturing others.
Celebrate is a bit harsh word to be used by U. But u are entitled to it. U again bring up atrocities committed against muslims. All I have to say that the most deadly oppression of muslims have been done by none other than muslims themselves. If U want to discuess it further, than lets talk about it in a separate thread, lest the mods should object to it here. But I stand by my words. Muslims have killed muslims in far far greater numbers than non muslims. So all the laments and crying victim is for vested interests rather than sympathy towards muslims. BTW I m yet to understand why muslims in Pakistan, choose to vent their anger by killing their own muslim brothers and sisters. And why u are using the so called atrocities on poor muslims to reason violence against muslims in Pakistan. And plz spare me throwing UNO on my face, Gujrat and Babri is enough burden for me to bear already.
I used celebrate because not for you specifically. I used this for the mentality that bring each and every single incident about Pakistan to cry on minority issues. Sorry, if it hurts you, but believe me it hurts us more when we living in this very society hear generalisation of overall society based on few incidents.
I don't have time to discuss issues you are pointing separately. You may agree it or not, drone attacks, killing of Muslims all over the world, atrocities of Israel, etc do play a role in instigating people here in Pakistan. Name it brain washing, unchannelised efforts or what ever.. these issues do have an impact on Pakistani society
Will remain a black day in the history of secular India. But there are many more facts which would put hindus on high pedestal.
Let me summarize it for U, Babri masjid was demolished by hindu extremists on Dec. 6th 1992. Exactly 20 years back. The government of the day in UTTAR PRADESH the state where it all happened was headed by right wing BJP, Kalyan singh was the chief minister.
Right after the unfortunate incident, PM Narsimha Rao dismissed the Kalyan Singh Government and imposed the president rule in India. About 6 months later, elections were held again in UP. Kalyan Singh and BJP were sure to come back to power because they had done what they thought was ultimate wish of HIndu majority. But they were living in fools paradise, as the election results suggested. They lost the elections and were uprooted from power. A clear indication of how hindu majority felt after the demolition of Mosque.
So what's the big deal if there are some terrorists within the Muslims? Don't worry we will deal with them as required, please clean up your own backyard before lecturing others.
LOL brother, I m not lecturing. Just speaking up my mind and heart out here. And nowhere in my previous post i called muslims as terrorists. All I want to convey was its hyper religious diet which is proving to be counter productive.
From what I have heard muslims were considered to be worse than shudars, there was a reason why a big proportion of the population was apprehensive of living in United India.
They have all the right to do so. But still more muslims than Pakistan are living in India, without any apparant problem and with equal rights.
I used celebrate because not for you specifically. I used this for the mentality that bring each and every single incident about Pakistan to cry on minority issues. Sorry, if it hurts you, but believe me it hurts us more when we living in this very society hear generalisation of overall society based on few incidents.
I don't have time to discuss issues you are pointing separately. You may agree it or not, drone attacks, killing of Muslims all over the world, atrocities of Israel, etc do play a role in instigating people here in Pakistan. Name it brain washing, unchannelised efforts or what ever.. these issues do have an impact on Pakistani society
See I had no problem with the demolished temple coz I m not an idol worshipper. Neither I used this incident to generalize about Pakistan. I only wanted to bring forth the fact that while its religious duty of muslims to break idols, they fall on each other to declare them religiously tolerant. A paradox which has to be understood to be dealt with.
I can agree with what U want to bring ahead. But all I want to understand why muslims out of their anger against drone attacks or Israel have to kill their own muslim bretherns? maybe U can help me out. Plz go ahead.
