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Friends, you have confused me. We are talking of ‘majority of people’ are of ‘ideological religions’?
I know well, that maximum majority of people in world are good people. But, I cannot say the same for religions.
I can confirm you that a very progressive Hindu Brahmin will not object to be friend with a Muslim, but he will keep reservations for a low cast.
The same, how can an ‘ideological Muslim’ be worthy for people of other religions, hence since Madrisa days he is taught, ‘there is no God other than Allah’?
Ps, Dear Spy, don’t try to become another Messiah, there have been many many…already.
Spy … :k:
Why is religion always the scapegoat for animosity and hatred? You can be of the same religion and have plenty of both, and start wars just the same. A good example: Kane and Abel.
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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Friends, you have confused me. We are talking of ‘majority of people’ are of ‘ideological religions’?
I know well, that maximum majority of people in world are good people. But, I cannot say the same for religions.
I can confirm you that a very progressive Hindu Brahmin will not object to be friend with a Muslim, but he will keep reservations for a low cast.
The same, how can an ‘ideological Muslim’ be worthy for people of other religions, hence since Madrisa days he is taught, ‘there is no God other than Allah’?
Ps, Dear Spy, don’t try to become another Messiah, there have been many many…already.
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Yahudi, I am not saying that you are wrong. All I am saying is that the wrong can be righted.
If a person attacks you , you do not stop to ask him what religion he is. You just defend yourself even if means hurting the attacker mortally. In the same context, if you can save the life of a person, you will not stop to ask him his religion or school of thought; you will just save his life regardless of who he is.
So helping another or defending yourself against another is not conditional upon the similarities in faith but is an action we take as a human. Hence, I am saying that the Humanity factor should prevail when another person (of whatever faith) is encountered.
I will defend myself, justifiably even if my attacker is a Muslim.
Dear Yahudi…am not trying to be a Messiah…i know there have been many (but unsuccessful ones)…although there might be some who might be little successful,albeit for a limited period.I am just trying to enforce every person to be a Messiah on their own…only then i think…its possible to reform the world. 
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*Originally posted by Munni: *
Why is religion always the scapegoat for animosity and hatred? You can be of the same religion and have plenty of both, and start wars just the same. A good example: Kane and Abel.
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Yes Munniji...Bullseye!Thats why I want the hatred should be eradicated from the beautiful world where as people should practice their respective religions with chastity.Yes...war can be started by people who are of same religion...coz the base of war is hatred and not religion basically.Religion is just one reason which mean people use as a medium to spark hatred.
Dear Fayax, to some extent we are on the same track. Then why religions?
The four major conflicting religions of the world today; Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Christianity…Can you pls name any of these religions totally pure and with zero hatred?
(Let us not talk in terms of excuses, definitions and reasons.)
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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Dear Fayax, to some extent we are on the same track. Then why religions?
The four major conflicting religions of the world today; Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Christianity…Can you pls name any of these religions totally pure and with zero hatred?
(Let us not talk in terms of excuses, definitions and reasons.)
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Our religions make us what we are to quite an extent.
Most of the Muslim extremists forget that where Islam orders to defend your homeland with force, it also teaches us to be forgiving. Our Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) forgave Hinda who had murdered his beloved uncle. Some extremists dwell and thrive on the war stories and forget or choose to ignore the forgiveness that Islam teaches us.
I can speak of the gentleness of Islam and avoid to comment on other religions here.
I have nothing against any other person based on his/her religion. In its pure forms (i.e., without political influences and comments) all monotheistic religions are very peaceful. Dont know much about Hinduism but that religion has been around for so long before Islam, that it can NOT possibly have anything in its books about Islam. Hence no inert animosity against muslims can exist. It is all political.
Islam is against the Idol worshipping and never does it say we should go and kill the worshippers. In the past many of the monotheists prophets have broken Idols, mainly to end the ignorance of people. The prophets did not go and kill the worshippers of those Idols. Hence why should we have a total anger against Hindus. They are our neighbors ; muslim or not.
If there is a war then it is a totally different story. Even if the neighbor is a muslim. Without self defense we would all be quakers.
My very first friend was a hindu. And I am sure if knew where he was...I would still be friends with him.
Religious difference and religious hatred are two seperate things. Religious hatred is stirred by vested interests not by the common man. People aren't dumb, they know that it leads to a downward spiral. So when you look at the ordinairy people they were happy when the Lahore-Dehli bus service was re-started. But then there are the vested interests whose existence can only survive on religious hatred who weren't happy I guess.
Mr Fayax, nothing new, the same old story. I can talk to a friend, with an ideological Muslim I can only argue.
You have used explanations, excuses and as usual have confirmed that Islam is a totally pure religion with zero hatred.
Do you love people who reject the Ayats? Will you not call them disbelievers?
Muslim extremists forget this and that……is an old story. They very well follow Dar-ul-Islam.
Islam has, in fact, systematically condemned all other religions and has established code of conducts to deal with the followers (disbelievers) of those religions before Allah takes care of them in hell.
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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Mr Fayax, nothing new, the same old story. I can talk to a friend, with an ideological Muslim I can only argue.
You have used explanations, excuses and as usual have confirmed that Islam is a totally pure religion with zero hatred.
Do you love people who reject the Ayats? Will you not call them disbelievers?
Muslim extremists forget this and that……is an old story. They very well follow Dar-ul-Islam.
Islam has, in fact, systematically condemned all other religions and has established code of conducts to deal with the followers (disbelievers) of those religions before Allah takes care of them in hell.
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If you think I am only giving you excuses then I cant argue with that. It is called poisoning the well. Anything I say will be considered a fairytale or an excuse.
From the history and the stories of our prophet we learn lessons and how to live out lives. And there are more stories of love and forgiveness than of war and revenge and animosity.
If I call someone a disbeliever it doesnt mean I have to kill them.
Hindus and Muslims living in close proximity have problems because of contradictions is lifestyles. What to wear and eat and how to conduct business.
There will be a slight bias that I will have in dealing with non-muslims because of differences in code of ethics which Islam teaches all aspects of.
Tell me of one quality that I have mentioned that you wouldnt want in a friend? Fair dealing, accepting the other life as theirs. Muslims have to be considerate of others beliefs but at the same time they dont have to do business with someone that has a code of ethics in trade that doesnt match theirs.
Doesnt make them my enemy.
I know that is not the way things are between Hindus and Muslims right now, but it is not the teachings of Islam. What has been happenig in India (because pakistan does not have many hindus) is a tit for tat. You killed my family and I will kill yours and it has been going on a long time. I personally cannot stop that, but I can at least speak of it, and hope for better times to come.
I lost 5 (guy) cousins who were older at the time of partition in 1947. All 5 were sons of my fathers sister. She saw them die and one in her arms. That is a very sad story and I wish no mother ever has to see that. All that misery I dont even wish on my enemies. Believers or non-believers.
"Hindus and Muslims living in close proximity have problems because of contradictions is lifestyles. What to wear and eat and how to conduct business"
why only you drag hindus ? muslims live in china and west where pork,alcohol are not haram and dress differerntly. if they can live there they can live in india too.
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
"Hindus and Muslims living in close proximity have problems because of contradictions is lifestyles. What to wear and eat and how to conduct business"
why only you drag hindus ? muslims live in china and west where pork,alcohol are not haram and dress differerntly. if they can live there they can live in india too.
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I think you should pay more attention to the title of the post and quit searching all the posts by a single user and start replying to them. You are making a fool of yourself.
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*Originally posted by fayax: *
I think you should pay more attention to the title of the post and quit searching all the posts by a single user and start replying to them. You are making a fool of yourself.
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simple truth both have nowhere to go but to live with each other.
Dear Fayax,
“What has been happenig in India (because pakistan does not have many hindus) is a tit for tat.”
Given are your words.
Now pls refresh you gk. In 1947 the Muslim population in India was app 11% and In West Pakistan, that is today Pakistan, Hindu population was 7%.
Now what is your tit for tat theory, if in your present (West) Pakistan today Hindu population is around 1%, whereas in India the Muslim population has increased?
May be you will enlighten us why Hindus did not want to continue living with the followers of a good religion in Pakistan?
The fact is that wherever Muslims are in majority, the minority community starts migrating. What disturbs them? Hence yours is the best religion?
In this thread I was not at all interested in an encountering religious discussion. But Muslims cannot let go a single chance to qualify their religion.
Let us not raise up the disbeleiver issue......
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But Muslims cannot let go a single chance to qualify their religion.
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And you cannot let go a single chance to condemn it. What gives? Why do you have this deep, consistent hatred?
It seems Yahudi's atheism is more oppressive than any of the religions that he criticizes.. his passion is stronger than a rabid mullah.. and just as pointless.
Yahudi, you must be the change you wish to see in the world.
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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Dear Fayax,
“What has been happenig in India (because pakistan does not have many hindus) is a tit for tat.”
Given are your words.
Now pls refresh you gk. In 1947 the Muslim population in India was app 11% and In West Pakistan, that is today Pakistan, Hindu population was 7%.
Now what is your tit for tat theory, if in your present (West) Pakistan today Hindu population is around 1%, whereas in India the Muslim population has increased?
May be you will enlighten us why Hindus did not want to continue living with the followers of a good religion in Pakistan?
The fact is that wherever Muslims are in majority, the minority community starts migrating. What disturbs them? Hence yours is the best religion?
In this thread I was not at all interested in an encountering religious discussion. But Muslims cannot let go a single chance to qualify their religion.
Let us not raise up the disbeleiver issue......
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we should not talk about other countries since india took a different path
different commitment that makes all religens are equal in the land and
nationality is not based on faith and head of state can be of any religen
