Re: Hindu Extremists to force Muslims to sing Hindu religious songs
In Pakistan, nobody raises India flag?
Lahorii you should be happy that hindoos in pakistan are loyal to their country.
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^And your point was what - that all Muslims in India are traitors/anti-national/Pak supporters ?
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Absolutely true. They do not think raising Indian flag in Pakistan is needed in any way ..... :D
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Thats the sense of loyalty.Suppose If they wave indian flag what u gonna do???kill them or raise fatwa against them???? let me know your answer
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Yup, loyalty is a Hindu characteristic :D
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Well in my view I guess it means that Muslim leaders dont know sanskrit.
Thats a metaphor. Its like saying ‘Hey you are Einstein" and "You are Che Guevara’.
Lahore981,
Many mosques here have a green flag with a crescent and moon drawn over it. So, many people mistake it for Pakistani flag. They dont have a white vertical border.
There are many examples of Muslims celebrating Hindu festivals :
Ganesha celebrations in mosque
Re: Hindu Extremists to force Muslims to sing Hindu religious songs
Or could it be that Muslim leaders' interpretation of Islam is "lost in translation". Wouldn't be an isolated case, would it?
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Some stupid muslims hoisted a pakistani flag. Good that gives a good name to them and soon they will join the rest of their muslim brothers in hell praising lord Osama and their cronies. It is only the muslims who is going to suffer for their stupid actions.
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You really have to join all bandwagons against Islam/Muslims, no? 
Anyway, the Muslim leaders in India have been “conservative” so far, you can call them lost or whatever YOU wish but they are acting on what they believe is right, if I knew that I language then I might have chance to see if they are wrong or not but Islam doesn’t allow any entity to be considered ‘bow-to-able’.
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Awesome 
As they say in the last article - Hindu Muslim discord is the doing of vested political interests (and people like Lahori) , the ordinary man has little to do with it.
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You don't seem to have a problem with this issue, do you?
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I'm sorry you see that as against Islam/Muslims. I just think it is sad that everyone is so quick to claim any group or person who is Muslim is right just because they are Muslim. I think it those people who do a diservice to Islam/Muslims, not those who are pointing it out. But don't feel so threatened/insulted. Leaders of other religions don't necessarily fare much better in their interpretation and lecturing of their religions either.
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Anyway, the Muslim leaders in India have been "conservative" so far, you can call them lost or whatever YOU wish but they are acting on what they believe is right
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I'm sure they are, but as I alluded to, so does the conservative wahabi movement and bin laden for that matter.
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if I knew that I language then I might have chance to see if they are wrong or not but Islam doesn't allow any entity to be considered 'bow-to-able'.
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What a strict and myopic interpretation of shirk that is. Surely Allah knows you are not putting the state of India on par with him. Just curious, does this ban against bowing also carry over when dealing with those whose culture it is to bow in a show of (secular) respect?
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I don't think anyone should be forced to recite patriotic songs.
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I don't jump to a bandwagon based on race/religion, I see what the issue and their view is. But you seem to join the anti wagon without understanding the intricacies. If some leaders think something is not right, they have right to say it, if the religious leaders find a song against religion which is being forced down everyone's throat then they must voice their opinion, simple.
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What a strict and myopic interpretation of shirk that is. Surely Allah knows you are not putting the state of India on par with him.
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If the song is not putting country at par with Allah then there would be no problem, why say something which you don't beleive? why sing the song which is against your belief?
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Just curious, does this ban against bowing also carry over when dealing with those whose culture it is to bow in a show of (secular) respect?
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feel free to open a thread in religion to discuss/ask.
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Its not about plain patriotism, I was hoping you'd realised it by now.
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Only first two stanzas are considered to be national song.
Besides, what so big hoopla over this....every body should be contended with the current national anthem. thats it. changing national anthem wont serve any purpose.
I read that ssingh and I wanted someone to come with it. Basically i feel, if this national anthem, though its for the first two stanzas, and totality goes against the belief of Muslims thats, they should abolish this.
India is a secular country. Why to forget that point.
Coz i wont even touch anything with a 10 meters barge pole, which is something concerned with the religion in totality and its the same with everyone.
Anyways, as you said be contended with the national anthem. I wonder, why do they wont to change this. I remember a mail i recieved couple of years ago, regarding our present national anthem
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Of course they have a right to voice their opinoins, but you said if Muslim leaders are objecting then it means there is something wrong in the poem which is more than the advocacy for voicing their opinion. It says that since Musims leaders object it is wrong.
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If the song is not putting country at par with Allah then there would be no problem,
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My point exactly. Allah knows whats in your heart and if you are worshipping a nation instead of him.
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Sorry, I don't seem to have your intelligence to determine what is worthy of a WA discussion vs a religion discussion. But if you say it is un-Islamic to bow in a WA thread, then why wouldn't you further explain it in that same thread?
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Its not about plain patriotism, I was hoping you'd realised it by now.
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Ok, I also don't believe people should be forced to sing songs that they deem go against their religion.
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I read the article buddy and btw, i read it completely and a response was perfect I was waiting for an answer from you, who with half baked knowledge, just posted the first two stanzas. To my knowledge hardly anyone knows that it is only the first two stanzas alone 99% of Indians, inclusive of you before my post.
I percieve your bulling to me, you did not know it either. But my point is why, change the national anthem. Though you know there is stuff considering, the other beliefs.
Its like all the scriptures of all the religions state do not commit robbery, and I take only the part of robbery and follow all the beliefs and not the holistically.
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I am not happy with the media stuff. Its a complete gimmick a drug addict is made a national hero in the Indian media. It has to come over it.
Anyways the politicians are a big pain, no doubt all are one and the same.
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Then dont you think its hypocrisy, which is a major sin again. Common come over it, why should i sing for the love of the People, rather stay away if you believe what your doing is an act of hypocrisy.