Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
But there is no direct relationship between the TV showing the willful conversion and minorities feeling threatened.
That's exactly what I was trying to ask.
How will showing this on TV, whether it was right or wrong, contribute to how someone will treat or mistreat someone else who is considered a 'minority' ?
In a good, honest, peaceful society it shouldnt.
QS. TO BOTH OF YOU, Is Pak that society???
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In a good, honest, peaceful society it shouldnt.
QS. TO BOTH OF YOU, Is Pak that society???
So what is this has to do with showing conversion?
Was it dishonesty, breach in the peace or something really bad?
A. Salam left on his own but it was portrayed everywhere, it was due to minorities rights were infringed upon.
Now a non muslims is shown to convert willingly on TV. That's because or causes, minorities feel threatened
What's next?
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
So what is this has to do with showing conversion?
Was it dishonesty, breach in the peace or something really bad?
A. Salam left on his own but it was portrayed everywhere, it was due to minorities rights were infringed upon.
Now a non muslims is shown to convert willingly on TV. That's because or causes, minorities feel threatened
What's next?
I don't see why such simple concepts are so difficult for you to grasp.
The Hindu community feels that by showing a Hindu "convert" on live television can potentially have a number of repercussions.
By showing such conversions, and then seeing everyone tripping over themselves in praise of this new Muslim, reinforces the impression that there is no place for hindus in Pakistan. That can result in more, not less discrimination.
People seeing this convert may get the impression that if this Hindu can accept Islam, then why not the rest of them? This can result in hostility towards those Hindus who refuse to convert.
Just like you would hate to have your culture diluted and your heritage destroyed, so to do the Hindus. They are already a minority, and seeing Muslims influence their fellow Hindus means they are losing a part of their already small community. Infact, Hindus have lost so much already due to the creation of Pakistan. How many Millions were forced to leave, and now even the few that are left are being converted. This might not be something to mourn for you, because you are the majority, but for them this is another tragedy.
Some sensitivity would help you. Perhaps the same tears you were shedding in defense of the mad dog Mullah mob might be helpful in understanding the sensitivities of people who don't belong to your community.
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What would happen if some Muslim converted to Christianity, Hinduism, or god forbid, the worst of them all AHAMDISM, on live tv!
How long would he have to live?
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
That's exactly what I was trying to ask.
How will showing this on TV, whether it was right or wrong, contribute to how someone will treat or mistreat someone else who is considered a 'minority' ?
Perhaps in a normal country it wouldn't have any impact, but then Pakistan isn't always a normal country.
To sum it up, they are afraid of this encouraging other crazy muslims to try to convert them by force or coercion.
They think that this may set a precedent that some Muslims will use to justify forced conversion.
And you may be nice to the Hindu family across the street, but that doesn't mean the Hindus in Pak shouldn't be worried. There are laws in place that can be used to discriminate against them. They can be the victims of violence, and have no recourse to justice. So its not so much your perception that is relevant, its their perception. They are constantly in a state of insecurity, because they really are not secure. Its the perception of imminent threat, the anticipation of unforeseen hostility, that terrorizes people most, regardless of whether it exists or not.
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To get as many commercial as possible - to make money by selling religion.
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I think you have a bit of confusion here.
The country was built not to degrade any other religion. It was made to have a place where Muslims would live under their preferred rules.
It happened a long time ago. The spirit was very different as you are trying to portray.
Secular rules of their choice, not Islamic rules of their choice. Just so we are clear.
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To get as many commercial as possible - to make money by selling religion.
Agreed. They are selling what sells. Nothing to do with religion, minorities, rights of minorities, human rights, stuff like that. That's not for prime time viewing.
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Its a rating war for Pakistani tv channels & they're selling whatever they can to increase viewership. We need strong media regulations to halt this kind of programs. As for the conversion, I feel sad for minorities in Pakistan. They're being driven to extinction by religious zealots (same people who are crying about persecution of Muslims in Burma).
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That said, this doesn't sound like a purposely publicised conversion aired just to rub it in the hindus' faces. This happened to be a live show where the guy happened to convert by choice. Don't know why anyone would be offended unless this was a forced conversion or the tv channel had some malicious agenda?
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you got to be kidding. No one claims he was forced to convert. But clearly the conversion was publicized. He did not just happen to convert on what happened to be a live show.
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nothing new in such news:)
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good to hear about reversion of nonmuslim boy
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^ that was too easy. I rest my case mylord!
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
I don't see why such simple concepts are so difficult for you to grasp.
The Hindu community feels that by showing a Hindu "convert" on live television can potentially have a number of repercussions.
By showing such conversions, and then seeing everyone tripping over themselves in praise of this new Muslim, *reinforces the impression that there is no place for hindus in Pakistan. That can result in more, not less discrimination. *
People seeing this convert may get the impression that if this Hindu can accept Islam, then why not the rest of them? *This can result in hostility towards those Hindus who refuse to convert. *
Just like you would hate to have your culture diluted and your heritage destroyed, so to do the Hindus. They are already a minority, and seeing Muslims influence their fellow Hindus **means they are losing a part of their already small community. **Infact, Hindus have lost so much already due to the creation of Pakistan. How many Millions were forced to leave, and now even the few that are left are being converted. This might not be something to mourn for you, because you are the majority, *but for them this is another tragedy. * Some sensitivity would help you. Perhaps the same tears you were shedding in defense of the mad dog Mullah mob might be helpful in understanding the sensitivities of people who don't belong to your community.
I see the issue of showing conversion unnecessarily tied to the minorities feelings of being threatened.
Whatever points you wrote can be individually answered but I can answer in general and you can see what you wrote in bold actually is due to:
1- Feeling bad for a non-muslim to convert to Islam. Understandable from a non-muslim's point of view but it hardly shows 'hatred' of those who do not have desire to convert.
2- Unnecessarily connecting this event to......spread of 'discrimination'.
3- And what does it mean the boy was 'influenced'? Are you implying forced conversion?
4-You are trying to prove that this is the reason why there are so few of non-muslims in the country, in fact reasons maybe entirely different. Separate discussion.
5- You said people will think if this boy can convert why not others? Again this is just unneeded connection being made since the event was shown on TV.
**Why not think that a lot of muslims would think of being extra nice to others so perhaps others would follow the example of this boy?
And perhaps by this way 'discrimination' would be less when majority would feel there is a potential for conversion without use of any force.
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P.S. I never defended any mob or shed tears for any mob. Prove it I dare you. :)
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I am simply saying that if there is a 'forced conversion' shown on TV, all the criticism would be valid, but for a case like this, trying to bring any threatening feelings of minority is uncalled for.
It would simply reinforce the idea that some people just want to bring this issue of minority not happy, in every discussion whether it is needed or not.
Secular rules of their choice, not Islamic rules of their choice. Just so we are clear.
Not going to derail the thread. It's a big topic. Some of it has been discussed to death periodically!
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I hope with same open mind you will accept someone converting from Islam to another religion if they publicise on the TV..
Glorification of faith conversion on media is sick and brings down the morals of already depressed minorities in Pakistan.. Only sick minded people can appreciate these actions by the media..
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I was checking another website today by Christians and they are also talking about a separate province in Punjab now, as the discrimination against them has increased manifolds during the past 10 years (thanks to the war on terror). Dont know where we are headed…
Commission on new provinces | Business Recorder
90% Pakistani Christian favour Refuge](http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/vieweditorial.php?editorialid=112)**e Status from UN after rising violence. By Nazir S Bhatti
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Separate province demanded for Christians in Punjab – The Express Tribune
**KARACHI: **As different ethnic communities make demands for a new province of their own, the Christians have also jumped on to the bandwagon.
Nazir S Bhatti of the Pakistan Christian Congress put up a demand for a separate province for the Christians living in the Punjab.
**Bhatti said in a press statement that his community was being victimised. “Religious hatred and extremism is on the rise in Punjab the properties and lives of Christians are not safe anymore.”
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Bhatti said the congress has been demanding the formation of a separate province since 1992 and demanded that it should be included in the 20th Amendment draft resolution.
He said that Quaid-e-Azam had called for equal rights for all the religious minorities of the country, but today they were treated as second class citizens.
Published in The Express Tribune, January 10[SUP]th[/SUP], 2012.
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Religious in tolerance has existed in Pakistani society and pakistani people way prior to US invasion of Afghanistan So I dont think we can **blanket everything **that is wrong with our society with the excuse that WOT and events after it are responsible for it.
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^ Read the article I have given from Christian post.
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What would happen if some Muslim converted to Christianity, Hinduism, or god forbid, the worst of them all AHAMDISM, on live tv!
How long would he have to live?
Very good point, I know someone who converted from Islam to Christianity in US and is living happily in his belief, Imagine what would happened to him if he did that in Pakistani Society.