Is this related to even remotely, with the idea of the show itself in question?
Are you one of those who only see this show as renouncing Hinduism? :D
Freedom of expression and choice of religion is a two way street. If you can show a Muslim converting to another religion and live to tell the story, your words are golden otherwise hypocracy. The worse is in Today's Pakistan mere defending a person who is perceived to insult Islam can get someone killed. So, please take your head of the sand, otherwise tyou can't see the coming danger...you = all the Pakistanies.
In an atmosphere where it minorities are systematically haressed (go on deny it) a program like this will only encourage such behaviour. That's what everyone is pointing out.
Freedom of expression and choice of religion is a two way street. If you can show a Muslim converting to another religion and live to tell the story, your words are golden otherwise hypocracy. The worse is in Today's Pakistan mere defending a person who is perceived to insult Islam can get someone killed. So, please take your head of the sand, otherwise tyou can't see the coming danger...you = all the Pakistanies.
In an atmosphere where it minorities are systematically haressed (go on deny it) a program like this will only encourage such behaviour. That's what everyone is pointing out.
Aren't you using the same argument as others did that somehow the show has anything to do with religious freedom or lack there of?
What exactly did you find offensive or threatening there which could even remotely relate to any other issues of minority persecutions?
The message of the so called threat from the show is made up and baseless.
In regards to freedom of choice, you will have to agree that those who condemn few people's unlawful act themselves are hypocrite, and they could not tolerate a free will conversion. Period!
Aren't you using the same argument as others did that somehow the show has anything to do with religious freedom or lack there of?
What exactly did you find offensive or threatening there which could even remotely relate to any other issues of minority persecutions?
The message of the so called threat from the show is made up and baseless.
In regards to freedom of choice, you will have to agree that those who condemn few people's unlawful act themselves are hypocrite, and they could not tolerate a free will conversion. Period!
You are missing the point completely. I am not saying conversion by choice is wrong. But, can the TV shows telecast conversions out of Islam? By the way there are more people converting to Christianity in Pakistan than people converting to Islam. All I am saying is in the current atmosphere it is wrong.
Would any one dare show a program in Pakistan denoucing Islam today, but may have 60 years ago (BTW, recently came across a poem from Pakistan on that subject). In a village of drunks, you hardly need a campaign promote drinking. If any, there should be program denouncing religious intolerance. This porgram appears to tell Hindus, this is what we expect. Religious and caste bigatory exist in India too, but society in general and media in particular makes it a point to highlight it. Case in point Modi is still haunted by Media and courts. That is why even after Godhra/Gujarat, Muslims are not making a bee-line to Pakistan border.
Aren't you using the same argument as others did that somehow the show has anything to do with religious freedom or lack there of?
What exactly did you find offensive or threatening there which could even remotely relate to any other issues of minority persecutions?
The message of the so called threat from the show is made up and baseless.
In regards to freedom of choice, you will have to agree that those who condemn few people's unlawful act themselves are hypocrite, and they could not tolerate a free will conversion. Period!
BTW, this is what is wrong with Pakistan. Want to win by argument. This exactly what is going on with Pakistan's foreign policy makers and rest of the world.
Remember every time you win an argument you lost something, ability to communicate. After sometime, no one will argue with you.....act on you.
You are missing the point completely. I am not saying conversion by choice is wrong. But, can the TV shows telecast conversions out of Islam? By the way there are more people converting to Christianity in Pakistan than people converting to Islam. All I am saying is in the current atmosphere it is wrong.
Would any one dare show a program in Pakistan denoucing Islam today, but may have 60 years ago (BTW, recently came across a poem from Pakistan on that subject). In a village of drunks, you hardly need a campaign promote drinking. If any, there should be program denouncing religious intolerance. This porgram appears to tell Hindus, this is what we expect. Religious and caste bigatory exist in India too, but society in general and media in particular makes it a point to highlight it. Case in point Modi is still haunted by Media and courts. That is why even after Godhra/Gujarat, Muslims are not making a bee-line to Pakistan border.
OK.
Can the conversion from Islam to other religion be shown on TV? One should struggle for that rather than criticizing the conversion towards Islam from other religion.
Isn't this the essence of of promoting the freedom of choice?
Why criticize the conversion towards Islam and be hypocrite?
BTW, this is what is wrong with Pakistan. Want to win by argument. This exactly what is going on with Pakistan's foreign policy makers and rest of the world.
Remember every time you win an argument you lost something, ability to communicate. After sometime, no one will argue with you.....act on you.
Umm. Not a very good stance.
This is NOT about winning an argument and if you or chaibiskut or anyone were merely arguing for this reason and then I feel bad for you.
This is about keeping the minds and hearts in right place and promote what one believes which is the freedom of choice rather than jump on the bandwagon of intolerance.
The first batch 119 from nearly 250 Pakistani Hindu pilgrims crossed the Wagah-Attari land border joint check post between both countries after 4 p.m.
“We have come here on pilgrimage. Though things are not easy for us (in Pakistan), we will return after our visit,” one of the pilgrims told media at the Attari check post.
**Speaking off the record to the media, most of the visitors said they were facing a difficult life in Pakistan, with many of them being forced to convert to Islam. They said that given an option, they would like to stay back in India.
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The Hindus, men and women, were allowed to continue their journey to India by Pakistani authorities after they gave the commitment that they would return to Pakistan.
A section of media in Pakistan had speculated that the Hindus had no intention of returning to Pakistan because of alleged harassment by Islamists.
BTW, this is what is wrong with Pakistan. Want to win by argument. This exactly what is going on with Pakistan's foreign policy makers and rest of the world.
Remember every time you win an argument you lost something, ability to communicate. After sometime, no one will argue with you.....act on you.
No one who cares of their life, will work to get the conversion away from Islam to happen publicly.
Not only the government will stop such an event, it will promptly put the person/group behind bar for blasphemy.
There is no check and balance in Pakistan in this issue. As long as that is not achieved allowing one way to happen will disturb the equilibrium. Like the mini exodus you are seeing today. Like the fundamentalism is getting deeper into the veins of Pakistan society. It's tantamount to giving gun to one person and giving lip service to another (in Pakistan's case not even that).
First you start a Urdu website in Pakistan encouraging those who want to leave Islam should be allowed to do publicly. See what happens.
BTW, this is what is wrong with Pakistan. Want to win by argument. This exactly what is going on with Pakistan's foreign policy makers and rest of the world.
Remember every time you win an argument you lost something, ability to communicate. After sometime, no one will argue with you.....act on you.
No, this is what is wrong with Diwana. Look around on this thread, not all of us are fruitcakes. Thank you for understanding.
You are missing the point completely.
It's like debating with Bill O'Reilly. He's not missing the point, he's deliberately ignoring it. He doesn't believe minorities face discrimination in Pakistan. He openly admitted that he would rather a Hindu convert to Islam. He supports the blasphemy law and denies it needs amendment. He doesn't understand what institutionalized discrimination means and denies the role of the Constitution in it. He disregards independent publications, and any evidence that contradicts his beliefs. However he chides others for being 'intolerant' and not 'supporting freedom of choice.'
Schizophrenia? Beats me.
This is how it works. In order for the discussion to advance, certain premises need to be agreed on. If you do not accept that minorities face an intolerant environment, in which forced conversions are on the rise, you are then not obligated to entertain the controversy surrounding this publicized conversion. See? That's the genius brand of Diwana Logic. He invents the rules of engagement, he invents the reasoning, he invents the conclusions. He calls it 'debate,' others call it bull manure. But one thing we can all agree on is the pervasive allure of that wink.
No one who cares of their life, will work to get the conversion away from Islam to happen publicly.
Not only the government will stop such an event, it will promptly put the person/group behind bar for blasphemy.
There is no check and balance in Pakistan in this issue. As long as that is not achieved allowing one way to happen will disturb the equilibrium. Like the mini exodus you are seeing today. Like the fundamentalism is getting deeper into the veins of Pakistan society. It's tantamount to giving gun to one person and giving lip service to another (in Pakistan's case not even that).
First you start a Urdu website in Pakistan encouraging those who want to leave Islam should be allowed to do publicly. See what happens.
You know what? The issue is not one way or two way traffic since even if the conversion were not to be aired, the criticism would have been same like minority persecution or threat.
At least the conversion brought one important aspect that those who wish and expect the freedom of choice of religion finally came out openly and condemned
the very same notion they claim to profess.
I said if someone really likes to see conversion away from Islam happened without any repercussion, then that person should not even object to conversion to Islam to begin with, regardless it is shown on TV or not.
